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Apple is expected to include its Touch ID fingerprint sensor technology in all new iPhone and iPad devices introduced this year, one analyst says, which will grow shipments of the package to some 120 million in 2014.



According to noted KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, Apple is planning to embed Touch ID in every non-iPod iOS device launched this year, including both iPhone 6 versions, the second-generation iPad Air and refreshed iPad mini with Retina display.

In a research note obtained by AppleInsider, Kuo goes on to say that Apple will switch up chemicals used in Touch ID module production to boost durability, possibly moving to tin as applied with Japan Unix's laser welding equipment.

As for manufacturing, Apple partner Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is said to be the go-to foundry for Touch ID production, with redistribution layer services covered by XinTec and WLCSP and packaging going to ASE. ASE and Sharp will be responsible for the module itself, while welding equipment is to be furnished by Japan Unix through Taiwanese agent Sunnic.

Overall, strong iOS device sales are estimated to grow Touch ID module shipments from 36 million in 2013 to 120 million and 233 million in 2014 and 2015, respectively. The numbers represent respective year-over-year increases in production of 233 percent and 94 percent.

The analyst's prediction comes one month after code discovered in iOS 7.1 pointed to an as yet unannounced iPad implementation of Touch ID. Apple's fingerprint scanning tech was first introduced last year alongside the iPhone 5s, which remains the only product to use the advanced biometric security hardware.

While it has been widely speculated that Apple will implement sapphire displays in its upcoming iPhone lineup, Touch ID has been overlooked as a major component that requires the hard material. Sapphire yields from the company's Arizona plant, operated in partnership with GT Advanced Technologies, are unknown, though it can be speculated that a large amount of output will be earmarked for fingerprint sensor cover glass.
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Duh.
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Well duh? Ya think?
 
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If we're going to be this silly why don't we widen the net even further: Apple To Ship Updated Products in 2014

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Personally, I would like this obvious outcome to add something interesting, like changing the profile of the iPhone/iPad depending on who activates it using Touch ID.

So when the kids get given it as a modern day pacifier, it would automatically open up with restrictions that aren't there if mum was to put her pinky on it.
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If we're going to be this silly why don't we widen the net even further: Apple To Ship Updated Products in 2014

 

In other news... water is expected to be wet tomorrow.

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So many times I've been caught out holding my finger on the home button of my iPad waiting expectantly for it to unlock.

After getting used to it on my iPhone 5s it is something I would upgrade for.
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If we're going to be this silly why don't we widen the net even further: Apple To Ship Updated Products in 2014

 

Most of them with the Apple logo on them...

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If we're going to be this silly why don't we widen the net even further: Apple To Ship Updated Products in 2014

That would be a more accurate since it isn't guaranteed all devices will receive Touch ID, at least this year.

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...in every non-iPod iOS device...

So the AppleTV as well. 'Kay.



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This is a welcome thing if they will get the damn iPads setup for multiple users finally. I'm tired of hearing my kids crying about who did what on what app. It gets old.

Guess Apple wants each kid to have one but not happening at the current prices. Just want multiple user accounts finally.
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This is a welcome thing if they will get the damn iPads setup for multiple users finally. I'm tired of hearing my kids crying about who did what on what app. It gets old.

1) There is still the issue of how accounts will be sandboxed and the current app design doesn't look to accommodate a single app with multiple user account saved data and settings. I'm not saying it can't be done but there are logistical issues, as well as performance and battery life considerations to be made.

2) Apple says Touch ID's security is 1 in 50,000. I have no idea how they came to that conclusion. I understand how a 4-digit pin with 10 numbers to choose from is 1:10,000, but not TouchID's level of security. But I digress, I'm curious if at 1 in 50,000 and with sales of over 100 million units in just the next year that could get Touch ID the likely looking that a 1 in 50,000 chance for this convince feature to be triggered by some other family member under that multi-user setup becomes a certainty, based on the odds. Now Apple could make TouchID more sensitive in the next iteration, like 1 in 100,000 or 500,000 but that lowers the starting odds, it does not erase them. So why is this an issue, even if remote? For the same reason that you can't simply type in your password on a Mac/Windows to get to your user account. You also need to input your username because there is a chance — no matter how remote — that someone could have the same password as you. For that reason I don't think you'll ever see multi-user on an iOS-based device that doesn't first have you select your user account before you use TouchID to access the account. However, I doubt we'll see multiple users on iDevices simply because these are the most "personal computers" and Apple would lose profits as well as spending profits to work on a fledge of a solution which is simply not their goal until they forced to, which currently doesn't seem to be the case.

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^ post

Excellent and well-reasoned post!
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Ming-Chi Kuo is trying to improve his batting average.
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This is stunning. I expected Apple to randomly drop Touch ID on the next iPhone. 

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One would hope. I was surprised that the iPad Air and the mini did not have Touch ID. From my view apple is a year late on this tech no brainer.
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Ming-Chi Kuo is trying to improve his batting average.

AI wants to be able to say "Kuo, who is often extremely accurate with his predictions" like they used to before he whiffed on essentially every prediction since 2012

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One would hope. I was surprised that the iPad Air and the mini did not have Touch ID. From my view apple is a year late on this tech no brainer.

I expected it. I don't plan on a 9.7" device to sell for $499 vs a $649 phone and have the exact same technology.

Improved Camera, Touch ID, and Cell chip don't = $150. Granted, a cellular model is $629 for iPad Air or $529 for iPad mini vs $649 iPhone- but that doesn't take into account the higher costs for iPad screen, battery, aluminum, etc.

Just a fair warning- prepare yourself for a feature the iPhone 6 will have that the new 2014 iPad Air won't.
Edited by Andysol - 5/27/14 at 3:23am

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One would hope. I was surprised that the iPad Air and the mini did not have Touch ID. From my view apple is a year late on this tech no brainer.
I love how people just assume things are a no brainer. I'm curious what information you have that allows you to confidently say adding Touch ID to iPads last year was a no brainer?
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I expected it. I don't plan on a 9.7" device to sell for $499 vs a $649 phone and have the exact same technology.

Improved Camera, Touch ID, and Cell chip don't = $150. Granted, a cellular model is $629 for iPad Air or $529 for iPad mini vs $649 iPhone- but that doesn't take into account the higher costs for iPad screen, battery, aluminum, etc.

Just a fair warning- prepare yourself for a feature the iPhone 6 will have that the new 2014 iPad Air won't.
I get the feeling this year we will see the reverse as well - some features on the iPad that aren't on the iPhone. Like if Apple brings split screen multi tasking to iOS. I suspect that will be iPad only as it doesn't really make sense on a smaller screen.
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I get the feeling this year we will see the reverse as well - some features on the iPad that aren't on the iPhone. Like if Apple brings split screen multi tasking to iOS. I suspect that will be iPad only as it doesn't really make sense on a smaller screen.

That's software not hardware. No different than gestures currently.

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That's software not hardware. No different than gestures currently.
True. What hardware (besides camera) do you expect in the iPhone but not iPad? Better display?
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True. What hardware (besides camera) do you expect in the iPhone but not iPad? Better display?

Who knows. Those are two solid guesses, but if I'm not mistaken, we didn't get solid touch sensor rumors until just before launch- and def. not the simplicity that was the final product. So as we get closer, we'll know more. The screen could be such an improvement that alone will do it.

Also, depending on which of these rumors pan out for WWDC, if any- it could be something exclusive for home automation or Mobile payments? Maybe Beats speakers lol.gif

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One would hope. I was surprised that the iPad Air and the mini did not have Touch ID. From my view apple is a year late on this tech no brainer.

Where did you think the extra sensor assemblies were going to come from? Oh, that's right, your view is a no brainer.
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It be wrong if Apple was to keep it on iPhone and not other devices, it could be on macs at some point really.
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So many times I've been caught out holding my finger on the home button of my iPad waiting expectantly for it to unlock.

After getting used to it on my iPhone 5s it is something I would upgrade for.

 

I am SO glad I'm not the only who finds himself doing that! :)

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Personally, I would like this obvious outcome to add something interesting, like changing the profile of the iPhone/iPad depending on who activates it using Touch ID.

So when the kids get given it as a modern day pacifier, it would automatically open up with restrictions that aren't there if mum was to put her pinky on it.

Just buy separate iPads; don't be so penny-pinching.

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This is a welcome thing if they will get the damn iPads setup for multiple users finally. I'm tired of hearing my kids crying about who did what on what app. It gets old.

Guess Apple wants each kid to have one but not happening at the current prices. Just want multiple user accounts finally.

Don't be so cheap.

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This is a welcome thing if they will get the damn iPads setup for multiple users finally. I'm tired of hearing my kids crying about who did what on what app. It gets old.

1) There is still the issue of how accounts will be sandboxed and the current app design doesn't look to accommodate a single app with multiple user account saved data and settings. I'm not saying it can't be done but there are logistical issues, as well as performance and battery life considerations to be made.

2) Apple says Touch ID's security is 1 in 50,000. I have no idea how they came to that conclusion. I understand how a 4-digit pin with 10 numbers to choose from is 1:10,000, but not TouchID's level of security. But I digress, I'm curious if at 1 in 50,000 and with sales of over 100 million units in just the next year that could get Touch ID the likely looking that a 1 in 50,000 chance for this convince feature to be triggered by some other family member under that multi-user setup becomes a certainty, based on the odds. Now Apple could make TouchID more sensitive in the next iteration, like 1 in 100,000 or 500,000 but that lowers the starting odds, it does not erase them. So why is this an issue, even if remote? For the same reason that you can't simply type in your password on a Mac/Windows to get to your user account. You also need to input your username because there is a chance — no matter how remote — that someone could have the same password as you. For that reason I don't think you'll ever see multi-user on an iOS-based device that doesn't first have you select your user account before you use TouchID to access the account. However, I doubt we'll see multiple users on iDevices simply because these are the most "personal computers" and Apple would lose profits as well as spending profits to work on a fledge of a solution which is simply not their goal until they forced to, which currently doesn't seem to be the case.

You don't need to type your username in OS X; only your password.


Edited by Benjamin Frost - 5/30/14 at 1:25pm
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Four digits with ten numbers is actually 1in 9,999, but you're close enough.

You didn't count 0000.

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So many times I've been caught out holding my finger on the home button of my iPad waiting expectantly for it to unlock.

After getting used to it on my iPhone 5s it is something I would upgrade for.

 

I am SO glad I'm not the only who finds himself doing that! :)

Don't worry; senility hasn't set in...yet.

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Four digits with ten numbers is actually 1in 9,999, but you're close enough.

You didn't count 0000.

I know; that's why I quickly deleted that sentence and changed it in the hope that you wouldn't catch it in time.

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You don't need to type your username in OS X; only your password.

You either type your username or it's supplied already. In either case it's not simply a password which was the point of my reply.

I have my system set up so I have to type in both as an TWO additional means of protection in case it's stolen. The first is having to also know the username and the other is having a dummy account that is easy to access but is highest restricted except for sending me messages of the thief's IP address, screenshots, camera, etc… with user-level LaunchAgents…. assuming I can ever get it working again. It was some old code that doesn't seem to work well with ML and Mavericks and I think my risk level too low to be bothered with fixing it.

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You don't need to type your username in OS X; only your password.

You either type your username or it's supplied already. In either case it's not simply a password which was the point of my reply.

I have my system set up so I have to type in both as an TWO additional means of protection in case it's stolen. The first is having to also know the username and the other is having a dummy account that is easy to access but is highest restricted except for sending me messages of the thief's IP address, screenshots, camera, etc… with user-level LaunchAgents…. assuming I can ever get it working again. It was some old code that doesn't seem to work well with ML and Mavericks and I think my risk level too low to be bothered with fixing it.

Do you use FileVault and a Firmware password? I've heard that FileVault doesn't always play nicely with Time Machine, but that may have been fixed.
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Do you use FileVault and a Firmware password? I've heard that FileVault doesn't always play nicely with Time Machine, but that may have been fixed.

I do use FileVualt but not an EFI password. FileVault already forces a login before the system boots up and encrypts everything. I don't think a EFI password offers any real protection since it can be overridden by anyone with access to the HW.

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Just don't use 1password. . . or at least THIS 1password. Seems a fake made it's way to the App Store. Creative too. They turned the keyhole 45 degrees for their logo. 1hmm.gif
https://itunes.apple.com/US/app/id880562890?mt=8
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