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Apple rumored to debut cheaper iMac and 8GB iPhone 5s at WWDC [update: nope]

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With Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference coming up next week, pundits are speculating on hardware the company may introduce in its first major media gathering of the year. One well-informed analyst believes the stars of the show will be a cheaper iMac and maybe an 8GB iPhone 5s.

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In a research note obtained by AppleInsider, noted KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo predicts Apple will announce cheaper versions of existing hardware alongside the expected debut of iOS 8 and OS X 10.10.

Update: In his trademark style, well-connected insider Jim Dalrymple of The Loop put the kibosh on Kuo's predictions, saying "nope" to both a cheaper iMac and 8GB iPhone 5s launch at WWDC.

Specifically, Kuo believes less expensive iMac and iPhone 5s models will be unveiled when WWDC 2014 kicks off next Monday. The prediction is in line with the analyst's report from April, which claimed Apple was on track to launch a low-cost iMac in the near future.

According to Kuo, Apple will cut iMac production costs by improving panel lamination and casing yields while incorporating parts-bin components being used in the MacBook lineup.

With the new cost-saving measures, Apple's low-end all-in-one will be able to compete with PC manufacturing giants Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo. Despite a more attractive price tag that will likely boost sales, Kuo revised his 2014 iMac shipment forecast from 4.8 million units to between 4 million and 4.5 million units citing sluggish desktop sales.

Kuo's prediction comes after iMac ship-by dates slipped to 3-5 days on the Online Apple Store on Monday. Another clue that a new iMac is on the horizon was discovered on Wednesday in code from the latest OS X 10.9.4 beta, which revealed references to heretofore unknown iMac identifiers.

As for the iPhone 5s, savings will likely come from a decrease in internal storage, with Apple possibly opting to launch an 8GB version of its flagship handset like it did the iPhone 5c in burgeoning markets. The cheaper iPhone model is a wild card for WWDC, however, as Kuo notes Apple may hold off on such an announcement given the update is minor.

Aside from the iMac and possible iPhone 5s reveals, Kuo doesn't expect much more hardware-related information to be disclosed at the event. There is an outside possibility that the much-rumored iWatch may make an appearance as part of iOS 8's introduction, though chances of that happening are slim.
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Haha this dude is seriously delusional. There will be no iPhone announcements at WWDC. IF Apple ever releases an 8GB 5S it will be done quietly like they did with the 5C overseas. Phil Schiller would be laughed off stage announcing a 8GB version of their flagship phone.
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Was hoping for a new Mac Mini - younger people probably don''t remember them - and perhaps a MacBook Pro upgrade.
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*IF* Apple releases a new iMac, it probably will not be some sort of incremental update. According to the plist file, it is going to be revision 15 of the iMac line, and since it is a new number (not a point release) it could be something bigger.

Or, it could all be a big pile of hooey.

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Haha this dude is seriously delusional. There will be no iPhone announcements at WWDC. IF Apple ever releases an 8GB 5S it will be done quietly like they did with the 5C overseas. Phil Schiller would be laughed off stage announcing a 8GB version of their flagship phone.

With memory being so cheap, Apple should just announce the 16GB iPhone will be the promotional iPhone and the 32GB iPhone will be the normally offered iPhone.

Normal app hogs like me just can't get by with 16GB these days.
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With memory being so cheap, Apple should just announce the 16GB iPhone will be the promotional iPhone and the 32GB iPhone will be the normally offered iPhone.

I would imagine the margins / mark-up is different for each component. They may be marking up the flash storage more than other components because it is a differentiator, possibly up to 500% more. What if they actually priced the 8GB model way below the 16GB assuming the 16GB is already inflated, making it much more expensive than the actual 8GB difference would indicate? That might be another way to down-market the iPhone into an economy class.

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A less expensive iMac? Seems unlikely. Everyone knows when Apple improves the iMac they make it thinner and the external ports more inconvenient to access. Making a cheaper iMac seems very un-Apple.

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post #8 of 86

Kuo has jumped the shark.

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The iMacs are $1299 and $1799 for the 21.5 and 27" models.  Expected new prices (by me): $1199 and $1699 (yup. -$100).

What would be nice would be $999 and $1499, but if Apple did that, they'd probably ship with 2GB ram and 500GB HDDs.

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So, is there anything left that Apple "might" do? I think these analysts have covered every fucking permutation of every possibility, with the exception of Apple opening a grocery store chain or something. 

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Don't you get fucking tired of your own trolling? 

Also I'm sick and tired of your signature. You think you're the only one on the planet that's noticed there's no new Apple TV yet? What a special unique snowflake you are. 

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Don't you get fucking tired of your own trolling? 
Also I'm sick and tired of your signature. You think you're the only one on the planet that's noticed there's no new Apple TV yet? What a special unique snowflake you are. 

It's easy enough to block them. Nice to get rid of the useless clutter on these boards.
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As for the iPhone 5s, savings will likely come from a decrease in internal storage, with Apple possibly opting to launch an 8GB version of its flagship handset like it did the iPhone 5c in burgeoning markets. The cheaper iPhone model is a wild card for WWDC, however, as Kuo notes Apple may hold off on such an announcement given the update is minor.

 

Trying to manage media on an 8 GB iPhone would be my definition of hell.

 

Given the 2x (and now potentially 3x) graphics assets bundled into every app anything under 32 GB quickly becomes unusable for all the reasons you might actually need to purchase a smartphone. Considering the markup on flash memory this comes across as a cynical move.

 

Instead of pushing a subpar experience onto new users I'd really love to see Apple focus on getting the cost of the higher end models down. I'm sure they have years of experience and there are some strong reasons for their pricing strategy. But from the consumer side it's a real pain. I've personally skipped two generations for both iPhone and iPad now primarily over local pricing.

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So, is there anything left that Apple "might" do? I think these analysts have covered every fucking permutation of every possibility, with the exception of Apple opening a grocery store chain or something. 

Don't knock it: This website serves a very important role in promoting noted analyst Ming-chi Kuo's "notes".

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I'd like to throw some wild speculation out there- because well that's what the internet is for anyways. What if the one new iMac model was actually the sometimes-rumored 4k high end model? Let's say it has a fancy aluminium* mechanical stand that allows it to stand like a normal iMac, or go completely flat for some multi-touch madness! I'd imagine everyone and their brother would want it to run iOS apps, maybe arrayed about on the 27" display as the user desires... but knowing Apple they'd make developers code full on Mac apps that utilize the full hardware awesomeness of a desktop chip plus a decent video card. I can see them showing off a fancy new version of GarageBand and other "iLife" applications so as to show how it's done.

Also, I agree with whoever said they'd probably just double the iPhone storage across the board and keep prices the same.

Both of these completely baseless predictions (hopes really) spring from the memory of iPhone 5c rumors, and how everyone decided that Apple would finally make a cheaper iPhone... and then what actually came out (that in fact sold like crazy).

In closing... I shall demand adulation adamantly from the users of the web should either of these fanciful theories come to be.

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Haha this dude is seriously delusional. There will be no iPhone announcements at WWDC. IF Apple ever releases an 8GB 5S it will be done quietly like they did with the 5C overseas. Phil Schiller would be laughed off stage announcing a 8GB version of their flagship phone.

I don't see what the purpose of an 8G iPhone would be? To sell more phones? If 16G is the lowest tier now, and the cost difference between just the storage is mere pennies or perhaps a dollar, where does that leave them in regard to price movement before cutting margins?

They'll do what they want I'm sure, but I just keep thinking of their own words when I try to understand the logic... "Is there a reason for it to exist?"

Why cripple a phone so much if you're supposedly trying to give your customers the best possible experience? It's not like you can just pop in more storage. They made sure you can't.
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It's getting kind of comical all the predictions for WWDC.

 

Here's my wild look into the crystal ball:  Apple will announce new software at their World Wide Developer's Conference since the attendees like to write....well, software. I know it's going out on a limb, but it's what I see happening.

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Why would Apple do an iPhone 5S with only 8GB of memory? That make it have only about 4GB for everything else. If Apple includes an micro SD card then it makes a lot of sense but without that; it kind of worthless device.
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I want Apple to put TouchID on their keyboards. Hopefully they will announce this for Mac OS X 10.10 at WWDC.
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Originally Posted by Harry Wild View Post
Why would Apple do an iPhone 5S with only 8GB of memory?

 

Obviously it’s a new low-end device.

 
That make it have only about 4GB for everything else.

 

iOS doesn’t use anywhere near 4 gigabytes. Stop the FUD.

 
If Apple includes an micro SD card…

 

It’s an iPhone. Seven years down the line. Are you SERIOUSLY still doing this?

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So, is there anything left that Apple "might" do? I think these analysts have covered every fucking permutation of every possibility, with the exception of Apple opening a grocery store chain or something. 

Maybe new iPods? I would appreciate it - a new iPod Touch with specs matching the 5S, because I don't use a cell phone but I like the rest of it...

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Maybe new iPods? I would appreciate it - a new iPod Touch with specs matching the 5S, because I don't use a cell phone but I like the rest of it...

Those have all come in the late-Summer/Autumn event.

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post #23 of 86

The 8g iPhone 5s will be a low priced "Beats Phone".  Beats is Apple's street brand.

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Those have all come in the late-Summer/Autumn event.

There was no iPod Touch release last year... I don't recall any iPod releases last year. So they could do an early release this year. You're right, though, it's more likely they'll stick to the pattern of autumn releases for music items. I was just commenting that it seems to be the one thing that hasn't been rumoured yet (not counting a grocery store chain).

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There was no iPod Touch release last year... I don't recall any iPod releases last year. So they could do an early release this year. You're right, though, it's more likely they'll stick to the pattern of autumn releases for music items. I was just commenting that it seems to be the one thing that hasn't been rumoured yet (not counting a grocery store chain).

There wasn't, neither were there any iPods 2 years before that. I'd say they moved to a 2-year cycle that coincidences, for the iPod Touch, to the iPhone getting a new casing design, but of course they could change that up again. The iPod Classic hasn't been updated in years so eventually the others will likely get to that same point.

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iOS doesn’t use anywhere near 4 gigabytes. Stop the FUD

He was talking about storage in general. The new 8GB iPhone 5c ships with 4.9GB available to users. Apple's newly free Garage Band, iMovie, iPhoto and iWork apps together weigh in at nearly 3GB http://www.apple.com/au/iphone-5c/built-in-apps/

 

That leaves around 2GB according to my high school maths.

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Personally I would really like to see a cheaper MacBook running iOS. A 12" or 13" screen with same style of the MacBook Air for around £500 would easily handle my needs.
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Personally I would really like to see a cheaper MacBook running iOS. A 12" or 13" screen with same style of the MacBook Air for around £500 would easily handle my needs.

How would that work when iOS has no mechanism for controlling a mouse pointer or any of the other million features found in a notebook computer? Why wouldn't you simply want a cheaper MacBook?

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How would that work when iOS has no mechanism for controlling a mouse pointer or any of the other million features found in a notebook computer? Why wouldn't you simply want a cheaper MacBook?
Not sure how it would work, I'll leave that to Apple. Wouldn't have thought it was too hard to build in mouse support to iOS though, every other tablet out there has it already. The apps I have on iOS are good enough for any of my needs at home. Whilst I need a more powerful computer at work, this is not necessary at home. I already have a Logitech BT keyboard for my iPads but would love a device with proper trackpad support.
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Given the 2x (and now potentially 3x) graphics assets bundled into every app anything under 32 GB quickly becomes unusable for all the reasons you might actually need to purchase a smartphone. Considering the markup on flash memory this comes across as a cynical move.

 

Testify! Cynical, indeed!

 

Instead of adding a severely constricted device at the bottom of the range, how about they quit making buyers of devices with useable amounts of storage subsidize the price of low end devices? Why even bother trying to sell an 8GB device since those buyers won't contribute to ongoing revenue because they don't have ROOM for apps and music and movies!

 

The cost of the added flash in a top line unit is only ever-so-slightly-more-than-bupkiss and anyone who's ever purchased an SD card knows it. Charging $200 for 48GB of storage looks like avarice to the average buyer. I don't hate Apple, but I sure resent the pound of flesh they force me to render to get reasonable storage capacity in an iDevice.

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Not sure how it would work, I'll leave that to Apple. Wouldn't have thought it was too hard to build in mouse support to iOS though, every other tablet out there has it already. The apps I have on iOS are good enough for any of my needs at home. Whilst I need a more powerful computer at work, this is not necessary at home. I already have a Logitech BT keyboard for my iPads but would love a device with proper trackpad support.

The issue isn't that Apple can't do it, it's why they should do it. It's not just adding mouse support but adding all the support that we find in a notebook-style traditional PC. iOS came from Mac OS X, but they removed all the parts that weren't necessary for the form factor. If anything happens I'd think it's Mac OS X (or something like it) running on an Apple A-series (ARM) chip which would bring down the cost by $200-$300 right there.

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The cost of the added flash in a top line unit is only ever-so-slightly-more-than-bupkiss and anyone who's ever purchased an SD card knows it. Charging $200 for 48GB of storage looks like avarice to the average buyer. I don't hate Apple, but I sure resent the pound of flesh they force me to render to get reasonable storage capacity in an iDevice.

You want NAND to be cheaper? Fine, The 64GB iPhone is still $850 but now the 32GB model is $825 and the 16GB is $800. Would that make you happy? Of course not, because you're assuming the entry-level price point is the ideal price and everything else is a ripoff instead of trying to understand why a company would scale their devices based on NAND and why they would use $100 as a separator between different prices.

Using the example above that is inline with what you want (but not what you were thinking) Apple gets to maintain their margins. But the problem is no one will want the cheaper devices if the difference between them is so slight. It means that nearly all Phones will be sold at the 64GB capacity. That isn't logistically feasible. It also means that Apple loses out on the lower-end of their current market because their entry-level price is now $150 higher.

Now we could say that with the higher priced devices and with virtually no one buying the 16GB and 32GB models with a break-even price on the NAND that their margins per unit would be higher, and in one sense they would be, but remember that they're now losing dozens of millions of sales per quarter with this new system so economies of scale aren't working for them as well so it could be a lower profit margin, and it's certainly going to be lower total revenue and profits.

So how does a company correct this? Well they use their bean counters to figure out how many components they can get and how many they think they sell to work out the most ideal prices to maximize profits. This does not mean their goal is to screw you over because often the way to maximize profits is to increase the numbers you can sell. I have a 16GB iPhone 5S. I'll probably go to 32GB next time but only because I have an excessive amount of iMessages, not because some bitmaps are bigger for the Retina display.

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The cost of the added flash in a top line unit is only ever-so-slightly-more-than-bupkiss and anyone who's ever purchased an SD card knows it. Charging $200 for 48GB of storage looks like avarice to the average buyer. I don't hate Apple, but I sure resent the pound of flesh they force me to render to get reasonable storage capacity in an iDevice.

You want NAND to be cheaper? Fine, The 64GB iPhone is still $850 but now the 32GB model is $825 and the 16GB is $800. Would that make you happy? Of course not, because you're assuming the entry-level price point is the ideal price and everything else is a ripoff instead of trying to understand why a company would scale their devices based on NAND and why they would use $100 as a separator between different prices.

Using the example above that is inline with what you want (but not what you were thinking) Apple gets to maintain their margins. But the problem is no one will want the cheaper devices if the difference between them is so slight. It means that nearly all Phones will be sold at the 64GB capacity. That isn't logistically feasible. It also means that Apple loses out on the lower-end of their current market because their entry-level price is now $150 higher.

Now we could say that with the higher priced devices and with virtually no one buying the 16GB and 32GB models with a break-even price on the NAND that their margins per unit would be higher, and in one sense they would be, but remember that they're now losing dozens of millions of sales per quarter with this new system so economies of scale aren't working for them as well so it could be a lower profit margin, and it's certainly going to be lower total revenue and profits.

So how does a company correct this? Well they use their bean counters to figure out how many components they can get and how many they think they sell to work out the most ideal prices to maximize profits. This does not mean their goal is to screw you over because often the way to maximize profits is to increase the numbers you can sell. I have a 16GB iPhone 5S. I'll probably go to 32GB next time but only because I have an excessive amount of iMessages, not because some bitmaps are bigger for the Retina display.

 

All perfectly reasonable, and if I'm Apple it works out very nicely, thank you. However, if you're ME, or anyone else buying anything but the entry-level device, it sucks monkey mucous. I wind up paying an artificially inflated price for storage. It may be inflated for perfectly sound reasons from a business perspective, but it still leaves a rash and painful burning sensation in the slots of MY wallet!

 

It makes me grumpy and I reserve the right to moan on, endlessly bitching about it. Being allowed to do that is one of the very few perks of being over 50.

 

Now get off my lawn. Stupid kids.

 

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Kuo a well informed analyst my ass. Over half his 2013 timeline was wrong.

 

WAKE UP, PEOPLE.

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Could a Mac running iOS be an option?
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Could a Mac running iOS be an option
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If it's a "nope," will there be any new hardware at this WWDC? And if not, there must be some pretty big software announcements...

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I wind up paying an artificially inflated price for storage. It may be inflated for perfectly sound reasons from a business perspective, but it still leaves a rash and painful burning sensation in the slots of MY wallet!

How much would you pay if they only sold the 64GB model? Economies of scale could be bringing the price down so the higher-end model isn't as expensive as it might the on its own. I'm sure there are formulas for this but I certainly don't know them.

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Not that I expect it, but I wish Apple would up the size of the base iMac from its current 21.5" to 24". After all, who buys small (sub-23") displays any more? The 27" iMac is too physically large for a lot of people, and gets pricey in a hurry once you start checking the options boxes. (We have several in the office for which we paid over $3K each.)

 

But we also have an older 24" iMac, and I still find it hits the sweet spot for size and usability, even if it does need a more modern, higher dpi screen.

 

On a related note, Apple originally showed the way in adoption of SSDs. Now they're way behind the curve in pricing of larger sizes, say over 256GB. That really needs to be fixed. the $200 adder for a 256GB SSD over the base 1TB HD is a bit salty, but not so bad that you can't go there. However a $500 adder for a 512GB SSD is crazy in today's market. I used to order the base HD and install SSDs myself, but that's mostly not an option in the "no user serviceable parts within" world.

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Not that I expect it, but I wish Apple would up the size of the base iMac from its current 21.5" to 24". After all, who buys small (sub-23") displays any more? The 27" iMac is too physically large for a lot of people, and gets pricey in a hurry once you start checking the options boxes. (We have several in the office for which we paid over $3K each.)

1) I think they are big in education.

2) I'd like to see an ultra-widescreen ≈31.5" 4K display which will have the same height of the 27" but be wider as to accommodate Aperture, Xcode, and many other apps better.

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