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When iOS 8 launches on iPhone and iPad later this year, users will be able to install their own third-party keyboards, custom widgets for Notification Center, and new extensions that will enhance functionality in Safari.




In a demonstration at Monday's Worldwide Developers Conference keynote, Apple software chief Craig Federighi showed off Notification Center on both iPhone and iPad. One widget showed current sports scores via ESPN SportsCenter, and another one allowed users to track and update bids on eBay through the auction site's app.

In another example, Federighi accessed a Bing translation extension included in the Safari browser on iPad. This allowed him to quickly translate a page to English using Microsoft's search engine.




Another extension for Pinterest was shown, allowing Federighi to quickly post items he found to his Pinterest account. The extension automatically pulled pictures from the website and allowed him to select the one he wanted.

Finally, Federighi revealed to great applause that iOS will now support third-party keyboards. Users will be able to install their own keyboards of their choosing.

Apple will also introduce its own enhanced keyboard, dubbed "QuickType," in iOS 8, which will predict what a user may want to type based on their past usage.
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Good to see Apple listening to it's critics!
Anyone else think that Notification center seems waaay too busy now? I feel like they should have gone about this differently.
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I hope they have worked out the security issues that plague 3rd-party system-wide keyboards. Android definitely hasn't.

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I hope they have worked out the security issues that plague 3rd-party system-wide keyboards. Android definitely hasn't.

 

Say what?

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You really gotta stop drinking that Apple Kool-aid.

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BTW, drinking the Kool-Aid would mean I don't think Apple could possibly have any security issues yet I clearly showed concern that allowing a 3rd-party to have access to all your keystrokes on a system is an issue. I use 1Password on my iPhone and DO NOT want any 3rd-party keyboard app being able to tell what I'm typing in to unlock my 1P database. Perhaps you should start looking at these issues as a rational and objective viewer, and not take a stance as an anti-Apple, pro-Android troll.

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Because these features were exclusive to Android.

Apple is carefully removing the majority of anti-talking points like "no file system!!!" and "I can't use my elite keyboard!"

 

Is the file system now exposed to apps?  I missed that.  And you still can't use a 3rd party keyboard.  The iOS8 keyboard is essentially the Google Keyboard (sans swiping), not the ability to replace it with a better keyboard (Swiftkey, KeePass Keyboard with userId/Password of selected entry, Swype, Minuum etc.)

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So basically they ripped off a whole lot of Android features.

 

Browser extensions were around long before Android.  Widgets have been around a while in OS X.  3rd-party keyboards is the only one where you're right (though the point is a bit ironic given that Android is a ripoff of iOS).

 

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Other than via attack vectors :)

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My point still stands; these features were on Android first. Considering how passionate Apple fans are about ripping off, I thought I'd point out the irony.

As it's been noted ad nauseam pretty much everything in some general form comes to all other HW, SW and services before it Apple releases it. Apple, however, perfects it to a point that the UX is excellent before it releases it. This is why Apple wasn't the first with a fingerprint scanner or the first with cut/copy/paste or the first with a plethora of other poorly integrated fathers that only appeal to douchebags that like to masturbate to spec sheets.

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BTW, drinking the Kool-Aid would mean I don't think Apple could possibly have any security issues yet I clearly showed concern that allowing a 3rd-party to have access to all your keystrokes on a system is an issue. I use 1Password on my iPhone and DO NOT want any 3rd-party keyboard app being able to tell what I'm typing in to unlock my 1P database. Perhaps you should start looking at these issues as a rational and objective viewer, and not take a stance as an anti-Apple, pro-Android troll.

 

I see.  Yes.  It's a valid concern.  But you will be unlikely to use a 3rd party keyboard from some shady source.  Also, if you are still concerned, you can always switch over to the default keyboard for the few sensitive apps when you want.  It takes a second to do that.

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Android had intents and notifications done right basically from the start. Still, does the Apple Polish (tm) make stealing things okay? Why are Apple fans always at war with Samsung, which is guilty of the same thing (even if they kinda suck at it)?

Honestly, I am happy that iOS gained these features - but the hypocrisy of the fans pisses me off.

None of that was on Android before other OSes that arrived up to decades earlier. Your iOS-did-it-after-Android-therefore-Android-did-it-before-everyone-else is absurd logic.

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My point still stands; these features were on Android first. Considering how passionate Apple fans are about ripping off, I thought I'd point out the irony.

Android, in is present form, exists because of iOs. 

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BTW, drinking the Kool-Aid would mean I don't think Apple could possibly have any security issues yet I clearly showed concern that allowing a 3rd-party to have access to all your keystrokes on a system is an issue. I use 1Password on my iPhone and DO NOT want any 3rd-party keyboard app being able to tell what I'm typing in to unlock my 1P database. Perhaps you should start looking at these issues as a rational and objective viewer, and not take a stance as an anti-Apple, pro-Android troll.

 

Those at risk were "anyone pirating Swiftkey"

Absolutely, Android has a security problem when you install from pirated sources and Chinese and Russian App store.

It's not a problem if you don't go in and alter Android's default security settings and features. I would not be worried about Apple's implementation, as this was not a real threat for even Android.

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Is the file system now exposed to apps?  I missed that.  And you still can't use a 3rd party keyboard.  The iOS8 keyboard is essentially the Google Keyboard (sans swiping), not the ability to replace it with a better keyboard (Swiftkey, KeePass Keyboard with userId/Password of selected entry, Swype, Minuum etc.)
Considering they demoed it with Swiftkey directly on the screen... it"s obvious you weren't paying attention... as always.

Yes.... there will be 3rd Party keyboards available.

@Soli - and did you also miss when Craig said that the keyboards could be used "per-app" and with other functionality seriously limited, unless you choose to do otherwise (he mentioned contact access as an example).
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My point still stands; these features were on Android first. Considering how passionate Apple fans are about ripping off, I thought I'd point out the irony.
Please feel free to show all the patents covering these features. You can't rip something off that isn't patented/protected. There are a gazillion ideas/features in computers that everyone uses and have been around for ages.

Apple only accuses people of "ripping" off something they patented. Huge difference, which apparently you and several others can't seem to grasp.

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Is the file system now exposed to apps?  I missed that.  And you still can't use a 3rd party keyboard.  The iOS8 keyboard is essentially the Google Keyboard (sans swiping), not the ability to replace it with a better keyboard (Swiftkey, KeePass Keyboard with userId/Password of selected entry, Swype, Minuum etc.)

Did you watch the keynote?

You can access iCloud from within apps, open (compatible) documents from different apps in the current app, etc.

Also, the TITLE of this thread includes the words "third-party keyboards", which were also demoed. iOS 8's default keyboard is a whole other topic.
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Those at risk were "anyone pirating Swiftkey
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Absolutely, Android has a security problem when you install from pirated sources and Chinese and Russian App store.
It's not a problem if you don't go in and alter Android's default security settings and features. I would not be worried about Apple's implementation, as this was not a real threat for even Android.

All Google Play and side loaded apps, the way we're constantly told around here that apps are so much better than the App Store because they aren't curated, are at risk because there is no method for keeping the user safe. Even Apple with their strict methodology has trouble keeping it secure because of the number of developers, apps, app updates, and infinite ways in which malicious code — by a developer — can be hid inside an app undetected. Your claims that there are no Android apps that aren't doing exactly what the customer expects of them is absolute fucking bullshit and you know it.

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And can I just say I look forward to AdBlock living natively in Safari?

 

Not sure how. I don’t think it’s that kind of extension at all.

 

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I'm just not bothering with proving anything to you because it is futile. You have gone beyond the event horizon of an Apple logo-shaped black hole.

 

Okay. You have absolutely no proof of your claims whatsoever. Thanks for letting us know, and please let the bear traps hit you on the way out.

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Do you want me to start listing all the iPhone tech that appeared before the iPhone? Slide to unlock in a Neonode phone? Palm devices? Windows Mobile? 

 

Don't forget the Newton... oh, wait.

 

A lot of the patents Apple is trying so hard to defend were patented back in the 90s, or are related to IP invented back then. 

 

People act like Apple is a newbie in the tech world.

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Do you want me to start listing all the iPhone tech that appeared before the iPhone? Slide to unlock in a Neonode phone? Palm devices? Windows Mobile? 

Go right ahead and show us all the IP that existed for a multi-tocuh capacitance touchscreen device that existed before the iPhone. Note that Neonode was references in Apple's patent the same way a patent for modern LED bulb might reference a 100 year old light bulb patent. Also, I don't recall the N1 having a slide to UNLOCK feature.

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None of that was on Android before other OSes that arrived up to decades earlier. Your iOS-did-it-after-Android-therefore-Android-did-it-before-everyone-else is absurd logic.

 

Gotta love that crazy absurd logic.

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As it's been noted ad nauseam pretty much everything in some general form comes to all other HW, SW and services before it Apple releases it. Apple, however, perfects it to a point that the UX is excellent before it releases it. This is why Apple wasn't the first with a fingerprint scanner or the first with cut/copy/paste or the first with a plethora of other poorly integrated fathers that only appeal to douchebags that like to masturbate to spec sheets.

I would much rather have Apple release something that's polished versus what you see on Android. Android releases features that are basically useless to give Fandroids a hard on over specs.  Take for example LTE. Android phones had LTE first, but only a select few cities had LTE. When Apple updated their phones to LTE, it was around the country. Same thing with NFC. NFC has been pretty much useless until now. I'm sure Apple will add NFC to the next iPhone. I'm sure Fandroid's will say Apple is copying by allowing third party apps with TouchID. Apple's approach is better by polishing TouchID for a year before opening it up to third party apps. It's obvious Apple isn't in the spec war like competing Android devices. By polishing their offerings and not in a rush to release something just for specs like Android, Apple will always have superior competing features. 

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None of that was on Android before other OSes that arrived up to decades earlier. Your iOS-did-it-after-Android-therefore-Android-did-it-before-everyone-else is absurd logic.

 

Some form of notifications was present on other systems.  Not as powerful though.  AFAIK, Intents was unique to Android.  I can't recall ever using any mobile system with as seamless interapp communication.  i.e. search can display results which can take me to a map (another app), which can take me to navigate (another app).  The default apps for each action can be replaced.  And it's not launching different apps, but interspacing screens from different apps.  Hitting the back button takes me back to the source app at the same state. 

 

However, I do agree with the sentiment.  All OSes stood on the shoulders of the preceding ones and adopted the best features of competing ones.  And we are all richer for it as consumers.  It's hypocrisy of stating otherwise that brings out these schadenfreude comments.

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My sentiments are the same.  I'll take the the opportunity to say "best" over the opportunity to say "first", any day.

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I would much rather have Apple release something that's polished versus what you see on Android. Android releases features that are basically useless to give Fandroids a hard on over specs.  Take for example LTE. Android phones had LTE first, but only a select few cities had LTE. When Apple updated their phones to LTE, it was around the country. Same thing with NFC. NFC has been pretty much useless until now. I'm sure Apple will add NFC to the next iPhone. I'm sure Fandroid's will say Apple is copying by allowing third party apps with TouchID. Apple's approach is better by polishing TouchID for a year before opening it up to third party apps. It's obvious Apple isn't in the spec war like competing Android devices. By polishing their offerings and not in a rush to release something just for specs like Android, Apple will always have superior competing features. 

 

LTE is still not everywhere.  By that logic, iPhones should still not have had LTE.  I use NFC every single day on my phone.  I have two NFC tags - one at my bedside and one in my car and I use it to automate a series of tasks.  In many countries people regularly use NFC for making purchases.  Just because it's not widely done in the US, does not mean that the feature was rushed.  It works perfectly right now.

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I would much rather have Apple release something that's polished versus what you see on Android. Android releases features that are basically useless to give Fandroids a hard on over specs.  Take for example LTE. Android phones had LTE first, but only a select few cities had LTE. When Apple updated their phones to LTE, it was around the country. Same thing with NFC. NFC has been pretty much useless until now. I'm sure Apple will add NFC to the next iPhone. I'm sure Fandroid's will say Apple is copying by allowing third party apps with TouchID. Apple's approach is better by polishing TouchID for a year before opening it up to third party apps. It's obvious Apple isn't in the spec war like competing Android devices. By polishing their offerings and not in a rush to release something just for specs like Android, Apple will always have superior competing features. 

1) Don't forget that when Apple released an LTE iPhone the data usage time for '3G' and LTE was the same. They waited for the 3rd-gen chip.

2) This WWDC shows how Apple is inherently different from MS and Android. All these complex features have been designed to be so seamless that they seem simple. Most of these I've wanted for years but the logistics between bridging them across multiple OSes and devices, and syncing instantly and intuitively over the cloud was just not ready. What has Google done to make syngeries between Android and Chrome OS or anything else?
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A very good development and about time! But like someone else mentioned here, Notification Centre already looks rather fussy and lacks the elegant simplicity of other parts of iOS. The whole interface needs to be cleaned up and rethought somewhat.
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What has Google down to make syngeries between Android and Chrome OS or anything else?

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Considering they demoed it with Swiftkey directly on the screen... it"s obvious you weren't paying attention... as always.

Yes.... there will be 3rd Party keyboards available.

@Soli - and did you also miss when Craig said that the keyboards could be used "per-app" and with other functionality seriously limited, unless you choose to do otherwise (he mentioned contact access as an example).

 

They demoed Swiftkey?  Where?  They added Swiftkey style keyboard.  That's essentially like the Google Keyboard (which also does swiping).  I still prefer Swiftkey which has a good 3 years head start on Google and it shows.  The Google keyboard is good enough.  But Swiftkey is awesome.

 

Edit: I see that 3rd party keyboards are now finally allowed.  That's truly great. 


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All Google Play and side loaded apps, the way we're constantly told around here that apps are so much better than the App Store because they aren't curated, are at risk because there is no method for keeping the user safe. Even Apple with their strict methodology has trouble keeping it secure because of the number of developers, apps, app updates, and infinite ways in which malicious code — by a developer — can be hid inside an app undetected. Your claims that there are no Android apps that aren't doing exactly what the customer expects of them is absolute fucking bullshit and you know it.

 

Even if you sideload apps they are still run through Google Play's server checks for malware the same way Google chrome checks downloads on your desktop computer. Why people bypass these warning messages is beyond me.

There are so, so, so few examples of these apps on Android and Apple in their respective App stores. I'm not saying it's 100% immune, it's just incredibly more secure than you're believing.

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Surprise surprise the trolls and Fandroids show up. What are you all going to do when people switch back to iOS because of some of these features?

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Do you want me to start listing all the iPhone tech that appeared before the iPhone? Slide to unlock in a Neonode phone? Palm devices? Windows Mobile? 

You forgot Newton (of course you did).
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They demoed Swiftkey?  Where?  They added Swiftkey style keyboard.  That's essentially like the Google Keyboard (which also does swiping).  I still prefer Swiftkey which has a good 3 years head start on Google and it shows.  The Google keyboard is good enough.  But Swiftkey is awesome.

 

Apple DID open up Keyboards, "widgets" and sharing to 3rd party apps. Pretty remarkable change of heart from Apple and great news for iPhone users. It's a very similar implementation that Android had from day 1, and a feature that iOS users will quickly not be able to live without.

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Is the file system now exposed to apps?  I missed that.  And you still can't use a 3rd party keyboard.  The iOS8 keyboard is essentially the Google Keyboard (sans swiping), not the ability to replace it with a better keyboard (Swiftkey, KeePass Keyboard with userId/Password of selected entry, Swype, Minuum etc.)


I take that back.  It looks like Apple has indeed enabled 3rd party keyboards.  I just saw the QuickType predictive keyboard.  Good for them.

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They demoed Swiftkey?  Where?  They added Swiftkey style keyboard.  That's essentially like the Google Keyboard (which also does swiping).  I still prefer Swiftkey which has a good 3 years head start on Google and it shows.  The Google keyboard is good enough.  But Swiftkey is awesome.

D'okay... before we continue, you should go watch the keynote.

 

The demoed the new keyboard with predictive text buttons. LATER, they demoed third-party keyboard extensions, and explained how they're sandboxed for security, unless you specifically give them network access.

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Now you're officially clueless. Apple brought up the Neonode and included the owners manual as a reference in their patent application.

Why don't you think about why Apple did that before making yourself look worse than you already do.


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From my experience the logic always comes around to that everything was stolen from Apple. Always. Every time. Every product. Even unannounced ones. Even on features Apple never even had. It's all Apple. Apple invented fucking everything. Because it's Apple. Burning Apple juice running through our veins as we all power our souls with iOS and turn our vision into SceneKit. We power our brain with Swift and put on Beats headphones as we continue our trip through the road where every turn will lead us to Apple. Apple is love. Apple is life. 

 

Truth is, a LOT is from Apple. Don't forget that Apple has been around for a long time, and without them a lot of the things we take for granted in tech land wouldn't exist. They patented a lot of those things too.

 

Common sense helps too. Pretty easy to see the line of demarcation pre-and-post-iPhone. And the iPhone was based on the original Newton, and a lot of underlying technology has it's roots from pre-OSX Apple.

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So basically they ripped off a whole lot of Android features.

 

 

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My point still stands; these features were on Android first. Considering how passionate Apple fans are about ripping off, I thought I'd point out the irony.

Yes, we know. Thank you for having them "first"

 

You are aware that the current smartphone os market is at a certain level of maturity, right? Meaning what A has that B, i and W don't, B, i and W will put their spin on. Same for what i has that A, B, and W don't.

 

You've also checked the calendar, right? It isn't 2007 anymore. It's 2014. I don't care who had it first. I choose based on who does it best for me.

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These extensions work with other iOS technologies to provide iOS-flavored security.

They will need to share data with various components, not to mention the front most app and its own bundled app.

I think it is more than meet the eyes. Otherwise Apple won't have to wait so long to introduce them. The sessions will likely reveal more.


It is premature to say Apple copy Android. They may evolve from Mac and OSX instead. After all, widgets and extensions are faily old concepts and implementations in System 7.
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But, Apple fans always find excuses. Yesterday having file system access was awful, today it's the best thing ever. Nothing new here. 

 

No, it's awful to take a desktop concept file system and slap it onto a mobile device. There's nothing inherently wrong with a file system, but they're often not very intuitive and present a complication of average users. 

 

The best thing Apple has done in the last 7 years (IMO) is to make computing devices so accessible for people who aren't considered tech-literate. 

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