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Apple CEO Tim Cook poured lighter fluid on the already-heated rivalry between Apple and Google during his keynote presentation at this week's Worldwide Developers Conference, calling out a recent mass defection of Chinese Android users to iOS and signaling the start of a new Asian offensive.

Apple Store in Beijing's Sanlitun neighborhood
Apple Store in Beijing's Sanlitun neighborhood


Though Cook didn't reveal exact figures, he did say that nearly half of the customers in China to whom Apple sold iPhones in the past six months had switched from an Android device.

"They had bought an Android phone -- by mistake -- and then had sought a better experience. And a better life," Cook added with a wry smile.

Chinese smartphone buyers have long eschewed the kind of brand loyalty displayed by consumers in more mature markets. Their fickleness isn't limited to Android devices, though: just 41 percent of iPhone owners in China plan to stick with Apple when they buy their next handset, according to a recent report from market research firm Kantar.
Chinese consumers are predicted to spend more than $87 billion on mobile phones in 2014, besting the US market by $27 billion
One reason for the frequent changes could be Chinese consumers' propensity to trade up, often starting out with a low-cost Android smartphone and exchanging them for newer, more high-end models as their purchasing power increases.

A college graduate in Shanghai might start out with a salary of less than $800 per month, for example, necessitating a budget-focused purchase thanks in part to the lack of western-style handset subsidies. They could then upgrade in a few months' time after squirreling away additional funds.

Cook also poked fun at Android's version fragmentation, exacerbated by manufacturers who load up the operating system with customizations and have little incentive to work to offer newer releases to existing customers. While 89 percent of Apple's installed base is on the most recent version of iOS, just 9 percent of Android users are in the same position.

This leads to a number of issues, Cook noted, including the proliferation of malware among Android devices that can't be updated to patch newly-discovered vulnerabilities. Security vendor Symantec said as much earlier this year in a report that found mobile malware authors to focus "almost exclusively" on Android.




"One-third of customers are running a version of Android from 4 years ago," Cook said. "That's like ancient history! It's no wonder Android dominates the mobile malware market."

Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple is in the early stages of a major new initiative in China, which Cook has long called one of the company's most important markets. Apple has committed to a massive retail expansion under new retail chief Angela Ahrendts, with Cook saying that the iPhone's 40,000 points of sale in the Asian nation is "a low number considering the broad landmass and the number of folks in China."

Apple is also considering China in its software plans, with a number of China-focused enhancements on the way in iOS 8. Software head Craig Federighi said that would include "greatly improved maps" for the country as well as more accurate local weather data, support for the lunar calendar, and enhanced Mandarin Chinese input.
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message to come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past.

I am so very glad you did not write something along the line, "This is not something Steve Jobs would have done."

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Cook is kind of gentleman. When he has to ignite, he add gasoline to the flame and pursue.

When needed, he is soft spoken and energetic.  Tim is awesome.

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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message to come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past.

Agreed. Apple shouldn't acknowledge their competitors - put up the figures for your own system, and then let others draw conclusions. Mud-slinging lowers the tone, while silence gives the impression that you're not worried in the slightest.

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I am so very glad you did not write something along the line, "This is not something Steve Jobs would have done."

LOL. . .
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post
Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. Id expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller

 

Or Steve Jobs, who did the exact same thing. Repeatedly.

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I respectfully disagree. Jobs always poked fun at Windows in many of his speeches during conferences. This is no different.
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Or Steve Jobs, who did the exact same thing. Repeatedly.

Steve Jobs would be considered to have had a very unique personality. . . 1wink.gif
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

 

No you're right- it's a developer conference, there's 2 major mobile development platforms right now (iOS and Android), Apple is trying to show the benefits of developing for iOS, yet "Android doesn't enter into it at all"? Yeah, ok. Did you miss the last WWDC? Stats are compared with Android for the past few years. Just like how Google puts up the "marketshare" slide at every conference, taking credit for every shitty phone with a barely functioning version of Android that has ever been sold- as if those people were buying the phone based on OS anyway.  

 

And no, it's not "surprising" in the least- as far as I recall, Steve Jobs wasn't an "underling" yet he made these shots all the time. When you see stats like 90% of iOS users are on the latest release compared to 14% Android, and 99% of walware is on Android, those are pretty powerful numbers. What isn't surprising is your reaction to Tim shedding light on this, which predictably is negative. Not to worry, Google has their I/O conference in a couple weeks and I'm sure they'll have #s you can use to gloat and share. In the meantime, try not to be so butthurt. 

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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me.

 

Welcome to War of the Tech World.  MS and Google have been bashing Apple plenty - it's time to return fire.

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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

Somebody post the image of Steve Jobs with the Keynote slide with the Google Android 3.0 Honeycomb logo. I think it was at the March 2011 keynote announcing the iPad 2. Thanks!

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I think Tim's comments were appropriate and pertinent.  The developers in the audience have a right (and need) to know this information so they can make better decisions about which platforms to commit their resources to.  Besides, the words "toxic hellstew" were not Tim's.  He was merely quoting a widely recognized expert. 

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Steve Jobs would be considered to have had a very unique personality. . . 1wink.gif

Unique = "doesn't prove me wrong"?
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Apple always used to poke fun at Micirosoft. I think that's fine when you're the plucky underdog.

I wouldn't even mention Android at this point though. Let's here why iOS is so great rather than why Android is so poor.
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lol Flames.

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Let's see more of this!

 

I like when people tell it like it is. Good for Tim Cook!

 

I especially liked the line about Android users seeking a better experience and a better life!:lol: It is very true! I also liked how Tim Cook addressed how less than 10% of Android users are actually using the newest OS. That is just so pathetic.

 

The average Android user is not tech savvy and they merely ended up with their phone because they got it for real cheap or free. The Android experience is a miserable experience plagued by bloatware, carrier installed junk, malware, viruses, poor performance, terrible apps that are ugly and massive fragmentation that exists between Android devices.

 

It's no wonder that Tim Cook said that Android users seek a better life, because Android is basically the operating system for the third world, and who the hell wants to live in the third world? It's no surprise that Android is doing best in those countries which are some of the poorest on the planet. Android is mostly garbage made for people who can't afford anything else. Whenever I see Android users on public transportation, most of them look like that they are heading off to their minimum wage jobs. 

 

Apple needs to continue lobbing grenades and anything else they can find at Android. Watch how a few "concern trolls" will come and claim that Apple shouldn't be doing this. :lol:

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The WWDC stage was the right place to speak directly to developers about Android's shortcomings especially in regards to customers being able to run new and updated versions of their apps. The press was listening as well and writing your story is better than having a pundit invent it.
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Apple always used to poke fun at Micirosoft. I think that's fine when you're the plucky underdog.

I wouldn't even mention Android at this point though. Let's here why iOS is so great rather than why Android is so poor.

Yeah, perhaps you missed everything after the first 40 minutes of the WWDC14 keynote?

And Apple isn't the underdog? Please. Windows and Android have won desktop and mobile, period. Mac OS X and iOS are second place platforms. And if you listen to the Fandroids, iOS is now lagging behind Android in features and customization, and not just in hugging the open source and viruses. You should be cheering the dominant "winners", not hating the underdog.

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writing your story is better than having a pundit invent it.

 

But they still invented it, directly contradicting what the keynote said. They couldn’t care less about truth.

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I respectfully disagree. Jobs always poked fun at Windows in many of his speeches during conferences. This is no different.

 

Yes, I literally can't figure out what this "group" of posters are talking about. Apple has ALWAYS called out the competition by name, at every event. 


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90% of iOS users are on the latest release compared to 14% Android

 

It's actually much worse than that. Tim Cook said that 9% of Android users are on the latest release, not 14%.

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Agreed. Apple shouldn't acknowledge their competitors - put up the figures for your own system, and then let others draw conclusions. Mud-slinging lowers the tone, while silence gives the impression that you're not worried in the slightest.

 

It's a legitimate question:  Is it better to stay above the fray or engage and criticize your competitor.  I wonder if Tim Cook and his staff in Cupertino are sophisticated enough to address this question?  I wonder if those guys, who are executives of the most valuable company in America today, are smart enough to wisely consider the issue?  I wonder if they're any smarter than us, we with strong opinions who post in the comment section of Apple Insider?   Curious thing.

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Cr4p foisted upon consumers should be called out for what it is.

 

I am quite glad that Tim Cook does not hesitate to do so.

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I guess we can add "AppleInsider Staff" to the list of known DED aliases 1smile.gif

 

I doubt that DED wrote this article. I just can't imagine him putting this statement into anything he writes about Apple:

 

"Their fickleness isn't limited to Android devices, though: just 41 percent of iPhone owners in China plan to stick with Apple when they buy their next handset, according to a recent report from market research firm Kantar."

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It's a legitimate question:  Is it better to stay above the fray or engage and criticize your competitor.  I wonder if Tim Cook and his staff in Cupertino are sophisticated enough to address this question?  I wonder if those guys, who are executives of the most valuable company in America today, are smart enough to wisely consider the issue?  I wonder if they're any smarter than us, we with strong opinions who post in the comment section of Apple Insider?   Curious thing.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise that people who work for big companies are perfect and get everything right, and that intelligence increases with the number of digits in your bank account.

 

Excuse me while I use iTunes Ping and Google Wave on Windows Vista.

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Apple CEO Tim Cook poured lighter fluid on the already-heated rivalry between Apple and Google during his keynote presentation at this week's Worldwide Developers Conference, calling out a recent mass defection of Chinese Android users to iOS and signaling the start of a new Asian offensive.
 
 
Though Cook didn't reveal exact figures, he did say that nearly half of the customers in China to whom Apple sold iPhones in the past six months had switched from an Android device.

 

 

http://go-digital.net/blog/2012/12/android-completely-owns-the-chinese-smartphone-market/

 

Considering at the start of the 'offensive' the Chinese market looked like this- over 80% Android, having 'nearly half' of the customers come from Android isn't all that impressive.  It means Apple got most of their business by switchers from Win phone, Symbian, and people without phones.

 

I think both Android and Apple are going to be fighting an uphill battle in China as China puts more emphasis on homegrown platforms.

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The average Android user is not tech savvy and they merely ended up with their phone because they got it for real cheap or free. 

 

This is a simple fact, no matter what the Samsung Galaxy-toting Fandroids will argue.

 

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It's a legitimate question:  Is it better to stay above the fray or engage and criticize your competitor.

 

Answer: it depends.  Sometimes you have to stop absorbing the blows and punch back.  I'm not sure why Apple hasn't gone after Google's "spy on everything you do to sell advertising" angle.  Google is creepy and it's time the ignorant masses realize it.

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Cr4p foisted upon consumers should be called out for what it is.

I am quite glad that Tim Cook does not hesitate to do so.

Up until now he's not done so has he? It had been left up to lesser execs like Schiller to deliver the one-liners in Mr. Jobs absence. Thus my surprise that he chose to do so now.
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GO GET EM, TIM. 

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Love it when Apple uses their image and sterling reputation to go on the offensive. They above all are more then entitled to do so. Earned success, every step of the way. 

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Up until now he's not done so has he? It had been left up to lesser execs like Schiller to deliver the one-liners in Mr. Jobs absence. Thus my surprise that he chose to do so now.

The issue is not whether you were 'surprised.'

 

I was surprised too. But quite differently from the negative way in which you were.

 

People complaining about how this sort of thing is somehow not becoming of a 'Southern Gentleman' or a company like Apple need to grow a pair. Boo hoo hoo. My problem with Apple -- whether with the Cotes/DoJs/Kohs, with regulators, with the media, with investors, or with its competitors -- is that it has been too timid.

 

No more.

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Up until now he's not done so has he? It had been left up to lesser execs like Schiller to deliver the one-liners in Mr. Jobs absence. Thus my surprise that he chose to do so now.

 

Schiller didn't present at this conference. Should Cook have brought him specifically onstage just to bash Android? Don't read so much into it. 

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Excuse me while I use iTunes Ping and Google Wave on Windows Vista.

Your blithe comparison of something trivial and secondary for Apple like Ping, with something core like an operating system for Microsoft, tells us little more than that you're a bit clueless.

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I guess we can add "AppleInsider Staff" to the list of known DED aliases 1smile.gif


I have never understood what DED means can someone please explain this to me.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

Schiller didn't present at this conference.

 

Craig seems to be the software presenter and Phil hardware, since Jony has stage fright.

 

And this works out pretty darn well for Apple. Craig is a great presence on stage in his own right and Phil has the experience of marketing to emulate an RDF.

 

Granted, Phil is emulating an x86 RDF on a PowerPC chip, but…

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And Apple isn't the underdog? Please. Windows and Android have won desktop and mobile, period. Mac OS X and iOS are second place platforms.

Apple makes 90% of all profits in mobile.

Apple owns the market for PCs priced over $1,000

I don't think "underdog" means what you think it does.
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As an IOS developer, I do have to admit my reaction to most of the user changes was "about time". I do like the Developer changes and look forward to testing xCode 6.

Because of the sheer number of Android devices, I have been looking into Android Development and found it to be a major headache. The lack of Core Data was known and expected, but the lack of drawing APIs was surprising (especially since vector drawing is the best way to handle multiple screen sizes and resolutions). The Android libraries do not support all the same sound formats that the pure java implementation of the same calls does. Since I can walk into a major store today and buy a new Android with 4.2 (Nov 2012) or older on most devices I do not see the fragmentation issue going away any time soon.

However seeing a $139 7" android tablet sitting next to a $399 iPad mini, I understand why so many Android devices are sold. (BTW, that was not a close out Android tablet)
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

Actually it make sense. The people in the room could or are developing for Android as well. Those same people are also the reason Apple is very successful, without them Apple products would be worthless. It is in Cook's and Apple's best interest to educate everyone in the room on the whether it make financial sense to make products for Android. He is making everyone in the room think about how to spend their time and resources and if you see that all your work developing something for Windows 8 or Kitkat is only penetrating a small part of the overall mark why continue to invest. He is showing them that Android is not worth the time and energy.

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