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I didn't care very much for Tim Cook giving Android cheap shots.  The less anyone says about Android, the better.  It's like giving them free publicity.  It's OK if they want to talk straight numbers and stuff but that's it.  I always consider it unprofessional to start poking at rivals.  Stress your company product's strong points and forget about rivals weaknesses.  Personally, I think it's a waste of time talking about Android or even their numbers.  Let Android take care of itself.  Trash-talking about rivals just comes off as being petty and doesn't really prove a thing for Apple.  Apple's iOS will keep chugging no matter what Android does.  I was really disappointed to hear Tim Cook putting down Android.  It definitely has its place in mobile whether I like it or not.  Obviously, its huge market share speaks for itself for whatever reasons.

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Actually it make sense. The people in the room could or are developing for Android as well. Those same people are also the reason Apple is very successful, without them Apple products would be worthless. It is in Cook's and Apple's best interest to educate everyone in the room on the whether it make financial sense to make products for Android. He is making everyone in the room think about how to spend their time and resources and if you see that all your work developing something for Windows 8 or Kitkat is only penetrating a small part of the overall mark why continue to invest. He is showing them that Android is not worth the time and energy.

Now that makes sense. Thanks! Still surprised it was Cook delivering that message tho.
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I didn't care very much for Tim Cook giving Android cheap shots.  The less anyone says about Android, the better.  It's like giving them free publicity.  It's OK if they want to talk straight numbers and stuff but that's it.  I always consider it unprofessional to start poking at rivals.  Stress your company product's strong points and forget about rivals weaknesses.  Personally, I think it's a waste of time talking about Android or even their numbers.  Let Android take care of itself.  Trash-talking about rivals just comes off as being petty and doesn't really prove a thing for Apple.  Apple's iOS will keep chugging no matter what Android does.  I was really disappointed to hear Tim Cook putting down Android.  It definitely has its place in mobile whether I like it or not.  Obviously, its huge market share speaks for itself for whatever reasons.

 

Constable Odo, you've been wrong about every single prediction you've ever made here and every single thing you've ever said, not to mention using most of your post count to cal for Cook's resignation- so I think I speak for everyone when I state that I don't think your opinion on this is objective, or worth a damn. Cook knows how to run his business better than you could ever dream to, and pettiness basically defines your every post and your obsession about stock price at the expense of everything else- don't project your pettiness on people like Cook. 

 

I'm still waiting on you to explain your blatant lie that investors have sold all their shares after WWDC, since stock price is highest its been. Or at least apologize for such an ignorant statement. 

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since stock price is highest its been.

 

I like this new math $637 (4:00pm) is greater than $644 and it is also greater than $700

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The gloves are off - Android is a "toxic hellstew of vulnerabilities." Ouch! BizInsider's Andrian Kingsley-Hughes , now that coming from an Android friendlly media outlet , it must be really really bad!

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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

 

I see Google just launched 64 bit Chrome (browser) for windows, finally caught up to the browser (Safari) I've had on my phone for the last nine months.

 

Such a crap company, purveyor of ads.

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I didn't care very much for Tim Cook giving Android cheap shots.  The less anyone says about Android, the better.  It's like giving them free publicity.  It's OK if they want to talk straight numbers and stuff but that's it.  I always consider it unprofessional to start poking at rivals.  Stress your company product's strong points and forget about rivals weaknesses.  Personally, I think it's a waste of time talking about Android or even their numbers.  Let Android take care of itself.  Trash-talking about rivals just comes off as being petty and doesn't really prove a thing for Apple.  Apple's iOS will keep chugging no matter what Android does.  I was really disappointed to hear Tim Cook putting down Android.  It definitely has its place in mobile whether I like it or not.  Obviously, its huge market share speaks for itself for whatever reasons.


 



Odo, obviously outright lying does indeed work and slagging off ones main competitor's phone does work because Samsungs biz model is based on making sub standard copies and claiming in advertising, over and over and over ad infintium it is better than Apple. The Samsung shareholders were in revolt about the size of Samsung advertsing budget a few months ago. Remember the bigger the lie and the more often you ram it down the public's throat the more chance it has of being believed. Apple is simply returning the favor albeit telling the truth imho.

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Too much too little too late.
Then again Tim could sic his new rapper thugs at Google.

too much too little?

which is it?
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Actually it make sense. The people in the room could or are developing for Android as well. Those same people are also the reason Apple is very successful, without them Apple products would be worthless. It is in Cook's and Apple's best interest to educate everyone in the room on the whether it make financial sense to make products for Android. He is making everyone in the room think about how to spend their time and resources and if you see that all your work developing something for Windows 8 or Kitkat is only penetrating a small part of the overall mark why continue to invest. He is showing them that Android is not worth the time and energy.

Amen. Given that the audience was developers, Tim Cook's comments were right on target--and, what, maybe a minute out of a two-hour presentation. He seemed to understand his audience better than most of the comments before Maestro64's post.
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It strikes to me that Android phone users might be better off if their phones were replaced by wooden blocks shaped and painted to look like a phone.  The functionality wouldn't be noticeably different but at least they would be immune to malware.

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Apple makes 90% of all profits in mobile.

Apple owns the market for PCs priced over $1,000

I don't think "underdog" means what you think it does.

But the forum trolls, the Wall Street hacks, the tech pundits, and the Eric Schmidts and Steve Ballmers of the world are constantly crowing about how their superior marketshare means they are winning, and how Apple's slipping marketshare is cause for "concern" and handwringing because it means Apple is DOOMED.

And whenever DED crows about profit share in rebuttal, you're supposed to dismiss it as pathetic, desperate face-saving by Apple apologists for Apple's lack of marketshare.

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too much too little? which is it?

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I was really disappointed to hear Tim Cook putting down Android.  It definitely has its place in mobile whether I like it or not.

 

Its place being "fueling Asian hardware manufacturers by providing American innovation for free which they'll use to attack American companies" I suppose?

 

Remember how Google bought Motorola, stripped it of its precious metals and sold the remains to the Chinese?  Google has turned Samsung - who couldn't software-design itself out of a paper bag - into a juggernaut that's even a threat to Google.

 

And do we really want a spyware/advertising platform to be the dominant mobile solution?  I sure don't.  Frankly, I don't want any one single dominant solution at all.  Look where that got us with Microsoft.  I'd prefer the market be evenly split among iOS, WinPhone and Android, but that won't ever be the case with Google giving their crap for free to any two-bit white box manufacturer that wants it.  It's Microsoft all over again, but more sinister this time.

 

Of course we can always fall back on the tired (but true) "Competition is Good!" slogan, but in this case Google isn't doing anyone any favors.  Except for Samsung and HTC, of course...

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Your blithe comparison of something trivial and secondary for Apple like Ping, with something core like an operating system for Microsoft, tells us little more than that you're a bit clueless.

What? I wasn't making a comparison, I was trying to illustrate that contrary to delreyjones' bizarro world (where working at a big company makes you perfect), companies have made mistakes and seriously misjudged how to present products in the past. iPhone 4 and 'antennagate', Ping, Google Glass and 'Glassholes', Google Wave, Google Buzz seen as privacy-invading, Windows Vista / 8 and their public perception and more - the list goes on. The idea that people are infallible just because they're successful is worse than stupid.

 

(To clarify: I'm not saying all of these are actual issues, I'm saying that they are perceived as major issues in part due to misjudged presentation on the part of the relevant company).

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I bet most Android users think Kitcat is a brand of confectionary not an OS? Such is the overall ignorance of most Android users. The geeks are a vocal but pathetic minority who unfortunately are listened to by carrier phone sales reps at Verizon and ATT and such. The last time I was in a verizon store I was aghast at the ignorance and stupidity of the sales folks, but that is to be expected. But seeing it in the flsh is quite something. If I hear again that Android is "Open" I will scream. My typical response " yes its open alright, wide open for an "???" rimming when you get a virus or malware stealing all your contact and CC info"

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post #56 of 104

I hope Tim realizes he will be banned from the MacRumors forums for talking smack about Android.  They don't put up with that over there.  Gotta cater to the trolls and the shills (and the Samsung ads).  :no:

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..Google Buzz seen as privacy-invading...

 

Google Buzz (and everything else from Google) isn't seen or perceived as privacy-invading, it is privacy-invading.

 

Eventually the masses will wake up to this reality.

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and this is news - android is malware??
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for something that is so irrelevant and nobody really wants they sure do mention it a lot

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Thank you ;)

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Its place being "fueling Asian hardware manufacturers by providing American innovation for free which they'll use to attack American companies" I suppose?

 

Remember how Google bought Motorola, stripped it of its precious metals and sold the remains to the Chinese?  Google has turned Samsung - who couldn't software-design itself out of a paper bag - into a juggernaut that's even a threat to Google.

 

And do we really want a spyware/advertising platform to be the dominant mobile solution?  I sure don't.  Frankly, I don't want any one single dominant solution at all.  Look where that got us with Microsoft.  I'd prefer the market be evenly split among iOS, WinPhone and Android, but that won't ever be the case with Google giving their crap for free to any two-bit white box manufacturer that wants it.  It's Microsoft all over again, but more sinister this time.

 

Of course we can always fall back on the tired (but true) "Competition is Good!" slogan, but in this case Google isn't doing anyone any favors.  Except for Samsung and HTC, of course...

 



I totally agree, but I'm more optimistic. I think Google's days are numbered (in sense of growth) because they cannot generate the same revenue per click they can off Desktops and they even admitted it too. They are worried about this big time because its where most of their revenue comes from (Google is essentially a 1 franchise company, desperately trying to break out of that mold and generate new product/service), (Apple is a 2 franchise company Phone and Computers,and perhaps even a 3 franchise if we add music/video revenue) ) Google has to become at least a 2 and possibly a 3 franchise corporation to prosper and that is why they are throwing money at all kinds of ventures (Motorola, Glass, home, cars, wearables etc.) and failing miserably at them btw. The incredibly high P/E ratio is predicated on them getting one or two of these to generate significant earnings. If they don't and Wall street gets a wind of this , watch out, the share price will tank down to underat least $100 in order to get the P/E ratio back to the norm for current revenues Google knows full well that most of the Android phones out in the wild are NOT being used to access the internet much, mostly the high end phones like iPhone and Samsung Galaxy lines. Google burnt their bridge with Apple which resulted in them losing a lot of the google maps data to Apple Maps and now Apple is puting the screws to Google even further with all this new integration and using Bing. Apple has a strategy to completley marginalize google off the iPhone imho. Tim Cook is following Steve's instructions to go thermonuclear on Google! first with lawsuits vs Samsung and simultaneous with integration of services MacOS /iOS etc to hardware which is Apples strength and strategic advantage. I bet Steve told him the key to making Apple bigger is to marginalize Google and he told him how to do it. I have my own idea about how this will proceed but that's off topic
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haha that took me months to figure out when I started visiting AI not long ago.
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Daniel Eran Dilger = DED = Corrections

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I totally agree, but I'm more optimistic. I think Google's days are numbered (in sense of growth) because they cannot generate the same revenue per click they can off Desktops and they even admitted it too. They are worried about this big time because its where most of their revenue comes from (Google is essentially a 1 franchise company, desperately trying to break out of that mold and generate new product/service), Google has to become at least a 2 and possibly a 3 franchise corporation to prosper and that is why they are throwing money at all kinds of ventures (Motorola, Glass, home, cars, wearables etc.) and failing miserably at them btw. The incredibly high P/E ratio is predicated on them getting one or two of these to generate significant earnings. If they don't and Wall street gets a wind of this , watch out, the share price will tank down to underat least $100 in order to get the P/E ratio back to the norm for current revenues Google knows full well that most of the Android phones out in the wild are NOT being used to access the internet much, mostly the high end phones like iPhone and Samsung Galaxy lines. Google burnt their bridge with Apple which resulted in them losing a lot of the google maps data to Apple Maps and now Apple is puting the screws to Google even further with all this new integration and using Bing. Apple has a strategy to completley marginalize google off the iPhone imho. Tim Cook is following Steve's instructions to go thermonuclear on Google! first with lawsuits vs Samsung and simultaneous with integration of services MacOS /iOS etc to hardware which is Apples strength and strategic advantage. I bet Steve told him the key to making Apple bigger is to marginalize Google and he told him how to do it. I have my own idea about how this will proceed but that's off topic

Amen to that!

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Daniel Eran Dilger = DED = Corrections

 



DED = Deadly Educated Dude

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I totally agree, but I'm more optimistic. I think Google's days are numbered (in sense of growth) because they cannot generate the same revenue per click they can off Desktops and they even admitted it too.

 

One can hope you're right, but thus far Google can do no wrong in the eyes of the press, investors and the ignorant public.  And their fanboys are the most vocal (and usually angry) of any fanboy population I've ever seen, so they make a lot of pro-Google noise on the Web.  Must be that cute little green robot that has them all snowed.

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I bet Steve told him the key to making Apple bigger is to marginalize Google and he told him how to do it. I have my own idea about how this will proceed but that's off topic

 

A nice start would be taking mapping seriously (my frequent error reports go completely unaddressed month after month after month) and coming up with their own in-house search services (or buying Yahoo?).  Relying on Bing is not a long-term solution.  Search is key to a platform - you can't be reliant on a competitor to provide it for you.

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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

Samsung scheduled an event in the same city at the same time as WWDC to try lure the developers away from Apple's event, so I was happy to see Cook pouring icy cold water on Samsung's parade via Android. Within the context that Cook made those statements, it was well done and on topic. I'm also happy that his comments were noticed by and repeated by the pundits. In two hours Apple made have announced enough things to fuel stories from now to when Apple gets near releasing new hardware.
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post #71 of 104
I loved this attack from Cook!

'Toxic hellstew'! Just brilliant. You would almost think he had been scouring Apple Insider for titbits. I see this approach as unusual for Cook. I feel he is taking a leaf from Jobs's demeanour, which is no bad thing.

Looking forward to watching the keynote again in HD. It's up as a podcast.
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A nice start would be taking mapping seriously (my frequent error reports go completely unaddressed month after month after month) and coming up with their own in-house search services (or buying Yahoo?).  Relying on Bing is not a long-term solution.  Search is key to a platform - you can't be reliant on a competitor to provide it for you.

Apple may be focusing on China's mapping (as they mentioned in the Keynote) and your reports may be a much lower priority.

While I would have agreed with your opinion that "search is key to a platform" at one time, how Apple is implementing Spotlight on their OSX and iOS may just marginalize Google by allowing the end user to add in widgets to Spotlight. If Apple's approach works out right, we could see search results be better fine-tuned and free of all the hits that are high on the list due to ad-words instead of search terms. Meanwhile Apple could focus on improving the search experience without supporting a huge search engine.

Apple has the installed base today to damage Google's cash cow. By not sending their users to Google by default, Apple will be removing a large segment of high-income users from Google's search engine. This will undercut the automatic use of Google's real customers (advertisers) in using Google to reach their customers. This means Google will be less able to set their own prices and see diminished income. This is happening at a time when Google's search patent is soon to expire... it's no wonder they are frantically trying to develop jet packs for grazing animals and cars without steering wheels.
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Let's see more of this!

I like when people tell it like it is. Good for Tim Cook!

I especially liked the line about Android users seeking a better experience and a better life!lol.gif It is very true! I also liked how Tim Cook addressed how less than 10% of Android users are actually using the newest OS. That is just so pathetic.

The average Android user is not tech savvy and they merely ended up with their phone because they got it for real cheap or free. The Android experience is a miserable experience plagued by bloatware, carrier installed junk, malware, viruses, poor performance, terrible apps that are ugly and massive fragmentation that exists between Android devices.

It's no wonder that Tim Cook said that Android users seek a better life, because Android is basically the operating system for the third world, and who the hell wants to live in the third world? It's no surprise that Android is doing best in those countries which are some of the poorest on the planet. Android is mostly garbage made for people who can't afford anything else. Whenever I see Android users on public transportation, most of them look like that they are heading off to their minimum wage jobs. 

Apple needs to continue lobbing grenades and anything else they can find at Android. Watch how a few "concern trolls" will come and claim that Apple shouldn't be doing this. lol.gif

Had some guy whining about his new S5 not having the camera icon on his lock screen, he'd obviously seen pictures of the US version.

Told him that's because carriers configure Android however they want it, the Australian versions don't have it, now go away you chose "open".
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

Could your post be morer wronger?

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Apple may be focusing on China's mapping (as they mentioned in the Keynote) and your reports may be a much lower priority.

Well then that's a serious problem. If they can't get U.S. mapping right, what business do they have moving on to China? Fix your crap, Apple. We're trying to help, but what's the point if you pay no heed to user reporting?
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Up until now he's not done so has he? It had been left up to lesser execs like Schiller to deliver the one-liners in Mr. Jobs absence. Thus my surprise that he chose to do so now.


Cook's fired shots at Android before.  He's also fired shots at Americans for being unskilled.  He's also fired shots at Americans for being poorly educated.  He's not above any of that.

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Why not mention the competition?  Hello, I'm a Mac and I'm a PC was the most successful ad campaign ever. Agreed?

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What? I wasn't making a comparison, I was trying to illustrate that contrary to delreyjones' bizarro world (where working at a big company makes you perfect), companies have made mistakes and seriously misjudged how to present products in the past. iPhone 4 and 'antennagate', Ping, Google Glass and 'Glassholes', Google Wave, Google Buzz seen as privacy-invading, Windows Vista / 8 and their public perception and more - the list goes on. The idea that people are infallible just because they're successful is worse than stupid.

 

(To clarify: I'm not saying all of these are actual issues, I'm saying that they are perceived as major issues in part due to misjudged presentation on the part of the relevant company).

 

My apologies, because I obviously didn't make myself clear in my earlier post.  I never meant to imply that working at a big company makes you perfect.  What I meant was being an executive at Apple makes you very elite and very smart about Apple's business. Despite how smart these executives are, they definitely still make mistakes.  No argument there.  

 

Where I disagreed with your original post was that you implied that Tim Cook hadn't even considered the possibility that in general it's a bad idea to bring attention to  your competitor.  I maintain that it's absurd to think that Cook and his executives are not of aware of this truism that's taught in Business 101.  Of course they're aware of that argument.  They just happen to have other more compelling reasons that trump in this case.  In my opinion, the executives at Apple are not perfect, but they're very very good.  Your post made me wonder if you shared that opinion.  

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Apple may be focusing on China's mapping (as they mentioned in the Keynote) and your reports may be a much lower priority.

While I would have agreed with your opinion that "search is key to a platform" at one time, how Apple is implementing Spotlight on their OSX and iOS may just marginalize Google by allowing the end user to add in widgets to Spotlight. If Apple's approach works out right, we could see search results be better fine-tuned and free of all the hits that are high on the list due to ad-words instead of search terms. Meanwhile Apple could focus on improving the search experience without supporting a huge search engine.

Apple has the installed base today to damage Google's cash cow. By not sending their users to Google by default, Apple will be removing a large segment of high-income users from Google's search engine. This will undercut the automatic use of Google's real customers (advertisers) in using Google to reach their customers. This means Google will be less able to set their own prices and see diminished income. This is happening at a time when Google's search patent is soon to expire... it's no wonder they are frantically trying to develop jet packs for grazing animals and cars without steering wheels.

I think this approach is more of what Steve meant by thermonuclear war against Google. I'm sure he didn't just think about lawsuits. He likely thought of every conceivable legal way Apple could hurt Google. Why not start by getting rid of them on your own platform?

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A nice start would be taking mapping seriously (my frequent error reports go completely unaddressed month after month after month) and coming up with their own in-house search services (or buying Yahoo?).  Relying on Bing is not a long-term solution.  Search is key to a platform - you can't be reliant on a competitor to provide it for you.

I agree. Apple needs to improve Maps and needs it's own search engine. Why not just try to buy DuckDuckGo?  It may be better (cheaper) than buying Yahoo for search. Apple still could offer Google search as an alternate. But how about having "Apple Search" as the default?

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