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Cook's fired shots at Android before.  He's also fired shots at Americans for being unskilled.  He's also fired shots at Americans for being poorly educated.  He's not above any of that.

Gosh, I don't see it that way.  I happen to be an American, and in all the interactions I've had with Mr. Cook (;)) I feel like he's treated me respectfully.  In contrast, in most of the encounters I've observed between Mr. Cook and Android, Cook seems to be, figuratively speaking of course, spitting on them!  :smokey: 


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The WWDC stage was the right place to speak directly to developers about Android's shortcomings especially in regards to customers being able to run new and updated versions of their apps. The press was listening as well and writing your story is better than having a pundit invent it.

Exactly.

And there were probably many iOS developers in the audience who are also Android developers (or they have Android developers on their team)

I'm bet after hearing the announcements yesterday that they will begin to question the viability of developing for Android.

iOS may not have the most market share or installed base.... but it's a proven platform that gets results.

WWDC 2014 enforced that even further.
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

Possibly your most pathetic attempt at spin yet. Don't flatter yourself; Tim didn't seem threatened at all. iOS is so far ahead of Android it's laughable. The fact that Tim stopped where he did was a testament to his class and capacity for self-restraint. I don't know why so many here seem to tolerate you.

   

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Actually it make sense. The people in the room could or are developing for Android as well. Those same people are also the reason Apple is very successful, without them Apple products would be worthless. It is in Cook's and Apple's best interest to educate everyone in the room on the whether it make financial sense to make products for Android. He is making everyone in the room think about how to spend their time and resources and if you see that all your work developing something for Windows 8 or Kitkat is only penetrating a small part of the overall mark why continue to invest. He is showing them that Android is not worth the time and energy.

 

Exactly. It was just as practical as it was fun. :)

   

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Possibly your most pathetic attempt at spin yet. Don't flatter yourself; Tim didn't seem threatened at all. iOS is so far ahead of Android it's laughable. The fact that Tim stopped where he did was a testament to his class and capacity for self-restraint. I don't know why so many here seem to tolerate you.

Not THE most pathetic.

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From now on, I'm just going to give a thumbs up to anyone who rebukes @Gatorguy These guys have the fortitude I do not. They deserve it.

 

And guys, please lay off @Constable Odo. He is a senior citizen.

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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

Possibly your most pathetic attempt at spin yet. Don't flatter yourself; Tim didn't seem threatened at all. iOS is so far ahead of Android it's laughable. The fact that Tim stopped where he did was a testament to his class and capacity for self-restraint. I don't know why so many here seem to tolerate you.

Probably because otherwise it would just be a total Apple love in. Dissenting views do not seem to be welcome even if they are backed up by facts. A discussion has to be two sided or you just get self reinforcing of one view. Having a challenge to that view is a good thing.
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Odo, obviously outright lying does indeed work and slagging off ones main competitor's phone does work because Samsungs biz model is based on making sub standard copies and claiming in advertising, over and over and over ad infintium it is better than Apple. The Samsung shareholders were in revolt about the size of Samsung advertsing budget a few months ago. Remember the bigger the lie and the more often you ram it down the public's throat the more chance it has of being believed. Apple is simply returning the favor albeit telling the truth imho.

 

I don't think "but Samsung is doing it" is a great reason for doing anything.  The trash-talking, rooted in fact though it may be, is demeaning to the image of the company.  I much prefer it when there's no direct mention of Android and Windows at all, and Apple talk about what Apple is doing.  When Cook starts mouthing off he's running the risk of sounding scared of the competition (I don't think he is) or like a corporate braggart (I don't think he's this either).  But perception is a big thing.

 

Let the community have their little arguments over what's best, Apple had a jam packed full keynote but wasted time preaching to the choir about how much they don't like Android.

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Possibly your most pathetic attempt at spin yet. Don't flatter yourself; Tim didn't seem threatened at all. iOS is so far ahead of Android it's laughable. The fact that Tim stopped where he did was a testament to his class and capacity for self-restraint. I don't know why so many here seem to tolerate you.

I think you've confused someone else's post but quoted mine. I didn't say anything about Mr. Cook feeling threatened. lol.gif
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Mr Cook giving attention to competitors at his own developer's conference?? Why would Android enter into it at all? Seems un-Tim-like and unprofessional to me. I'd expect that type of message might come from an underling like Schiller (or someone like Ballmer) who's lobbed a few at competitors in the past, but surprising to see Cook feel Android needed to be addressed when introducing new Apple software.

 

I think more than anything it was to reassure developers (many of them first time attendees and recent switchers from Android) that they have made the right decision to develop for iOS/MacOS. After that I believe it was very clear how they went out of their way not to mention google at all. 

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I think more than anything it was to reassure developers (many of them first time attendees and recent switchers from Android) that they have made the right decision to develop for iOS/MacOS. After that I believe it was very clear how they went out of their way not to mention google at all. 

Yup, I agree with you too.
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90% of iOS users are on the latest release compared to 14% Android

It's actually much worse than that. Tim Cook said that 9% of Android users are on the latest release, not 14%.
Android Pokice says he is wrong and it is 8.6%....
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I don't think "but Samsung is doing it" is a great reason for doing anything.  The trash-talking, rooted in fact though it may be, is demeaning to the image of the company.  I much prefer it when there's no direct mention of Android and Windows at all, and Apple talk about what Apple is doing.  When Cook starts mouthing off he's running the risk of sounding scared of the competition (I don't think he is) or like a corporate braggart (I don't think he's this either).  But perception is a big thing.

Let the community have their little arguments over what's best, Apple had a jam packed full keynote but wasted time preaching to the choir about how much they don't like Android.

True... but that keynote was the start of Apple's developer conference and the room was full of developers.

We all love Apple and know they are doing just fine... but the fact still remains that 8 out of 10 smartphones sold today are running Android.

Tim Cook was just reinforcing the point that Apple has a wonderful platform and he backed it up with the numbers from their next competitor.

It's not like the entire keynote was devoted to trash talking. There was plenty of time talking about what Apple is doing.
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And Apple isn't the underdog? Please. Windows and Android have won desktop and mobile, period. Mac OS X and iOS are second place platforms.

Apple makes 90% of all profits in mobile.

Apple owns the market for PCs priced over $1,000

I don't think "underdog" means what you think it does.

Yeah but all anyone in the tech press does is compare Android market share to iPhone market share and declare victory for Android. It does not matter that almost all the companies selling Android devices are losing money. It doesn't matter that Google makes almost nothing on Android.
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Too much too little too late.
Then again Tim could sic his new rapper thugs at Google.

too much too little?

which is it?

Too soon.
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I hope Tim realizes he will be banned from the MacRumors forums for talking smack about Android.  They don't put up with that over there.  Gotta cater to the trolls and the shills (and the Samsung ads).  1oyvey.gif
I got warned on Mac Rumors for quoting him (and the story in the post). No embellishment at all. The moderator totally didn't get it.. Crazy place over there. Android trolls run rampant and I get warned for trolling because I provided a direct quote from the keynote the thread was about.
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I always find the comments about people switching weird. Of course people switch, after a while you get board and want something different.
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I got warned on Mac Rumors for quoting him (and the story in the post). No embellishment at all. The moderator totally didn't get it.. Crazy place over there. Android trolls run rampant and I get warned for trolling because I provided a direct quote from the keynote the thread was about.

 

Their moderation is the worst.  I was finally banned (after 10+ years on the site) because I called the Android trolls "sheep."  That's all it took.  Trolling on that site is A-OK as long as it's pro-Google, pro-Samsung or pro-Microsoft.  Yes, on an Apple rumors site.  Bizarre.  Most poorly moderated community I've ever seen.

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Their moderation is the worst.  I was finally banned (after 10+ years on the site) because I called the Android trolls "sheep."  That's all it took.  Trolling on that site is A-OK as long as it's pro-Google, pro-Samsung or pro-Microsoft.  Yes, on an Apple rumors site.  Bizarre.  Most poorly moderated community I've ever seen.

I don't see any need to launch personal attacks anyway , tag fellow posters using juvenile names (sheep, troll, Google-licker, shill etc) or character assassination (liar, idiot, a##hole), no matter who the audience is.

If you disagree with a post just form an intelligent argument against his/her or ignore them altogether. Name-calling is a detriment to conversation and sharing, adding absolutely nothing to the forum. My 10-year old nephew resorts to playground names when he has a disagreement with a playmate. That so many never seem to have moved beyond that when they reached adulthood is amazing to me.
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I don't see any need to launch personal attacks anyway , tag fellow posters using juvenile names (sheep, troll, Google-licker, shill etc) or character assassination (liar, idiot, a##hole), no matter who the audience is.

If you disagree with a post just form an intelligent argument against his/her or ignore them altogether. Name-calling is a detriment to conversation and sharing, adding absolutely nothing to the forum. My 10-year old nephew resorts to playground names when he has a disagreement with a playmate. That so many never seem to have moved beyond that when they reached adulthood is amazing to me.

 

In a normal context I would agree with you.  But Apple-related forums are rarely "normal" these days in that a significant portion of the forum community exists only to bash Apple, its products and its customers.  It's something I don't see in most of the other Web forums I frequent.

 

One has to wonder why people who hate Apple spend so much time on Apple forums.  Or those who are dedicated to the Android platform.  Are these people paid?  Are they bored?  Or do they simply love to agitate people?  Hey, choose and use what you like.  Good for you.  But don't come into the enemy camp just to heckle those who choose differently from you.  I certainly don't spend any time on Android forums.  It's annoying and absurd that so much forum traffic here and on MacRumors is spent dueling with the trolls.  If I were a Ford guy and I spent my day in the Chevy forum bashing their products, I'd be drop-kicked in a heartbeat.  Tech-forums, for good or bad, seem a lot more tolerant of that type of trolling.

 

I guess some people haven't moved past the high school mentality of burning your school logo into the rival school's front lawn.  :grumble: 

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I like this new math $637 (4:00pm) is greater than $644 and it is also greater than $700

 

I thought my meaning was obvious - the highest its been for the past several months, and specifically compared to before WWDC. Its now @ $645. The point was investors didn't "sell everything" after the event as he stated. Its humorous that you decide to split hairs to discredit me instead of acknowledging the obvious falsity of his premise. The stock is the highest its been in 12 months. 


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Their moderation is the worst.  I was finally banned (after 10+ years on the site) because I called the Android trolls "sheep."  That's all it took.  Trolling on that site is A-OK as long as it's pro-Google, pro-Samsung or pro-Microsoft.  Yes, on an Apple rumors site.  Bizarre.  Most poorly moderated community I've ever seen.

 

I'm banned too, after calling someone out on his blatant lies. You know, after reading around a thousand post of the same troll spanning several years, I finally responded- and got an instant ban. The place is unreal, almost 90% of the comments are negative towards Apple in any thread, and the Apple bashers can make any absurd claim they want, and throw ad hominem attacks all day long- they never, ever get banned. That site caters to clicks, and the mods figured out that pathetic trolls create the most activity on the site, so theyve decided to sell their soul and principles in order to cater to them. A despicable place it is. The same trolls from years ago are still there, with 100% of their posts being mockery and bashing- yet they get away with it. 


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That site caters to clicks, and the mods figured out that pathetic trolls create the most activity on the site, so theyve decided to sell their soul and principles in order to cater to them. A despicable place it is. The same trolls from years ago are still there, with 100% of their posts being mockery and bashing- yet they get away with it. 

 

They do love their trolls.  Just don't confront them - that's a big no-no at MacRumors.  Especially the long-term career trolls who have been granted Untouchable status.

 

It's good for their page clicks - and terrible for their community.  What a mess.

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That site caters to clicks, and the mods figured out that pathetic trolls create the most activity on the site, so theyve decided to sell their soul and principles in order to cater to them. A despicable place it is. The same trolls from years ago are still there, with 100% of their posts being mockery and bashing- yet they get away with it. 

 

They do love their trolls.  Just don't confront them - that's a big no-no at MacRumors.  Especially the long-term career trolls who have been granted Untouchable status.

 

It's good for their page clicks - and terrible for their community.  What a mess.

 

 

Adding to the echo chamber, but yes-MacRumors became a shadow of its former glory, at least when I left it, which was years ago. You used to get really good posts, like here, albeit interspersed with more trolls, but it gradually became overrun with trolls, to the point where it wasn't worth fishing through the mire for the odd gem.

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