Originally Posted by jimmac
Selective memory loss?
How timely given recent events in the news ( you do watch the real news don't you? ). Almost 10 years ago one of the arguments I gave for us not invading Iraq was that what the hell will we accomplish? I stated that we'll be there for years and 10 years from now things will be just as bad with another bad guy in place. We will have wasted time, lives, and money. Well look what's happening. But of course we're " freeing the Iraqi people " ( the replacement argument when we didn't find any WMDs ). Just like we freed the Vietnamese people.
Ah, the "I told ya so." I was waiting for that. Your broken-clock-is-right-twice-per-day approach is well known here. No, jimmac. I don't recall you basing any opposition on the question of what we would accomplish. I also don't recall you claiming "10 years from now things will be just as bad." Either way, that's pointless. We would not be in this position with competent leadership. Iraq was relatively stable after the Petraeus troop surge and subsequent U.S. diplomatic/intelligence actions relating to bringing various sects together.
So, if it turns out that we really din't accomplish anything, it is one man's fault: Barack Obama.
Apparently you don't as the GOP has historically ( or is it hysterically ? ) low numbers. Much lower than Obama.
Sigh. As with everything, it depends on what numbers you use. If you're talking general congressional numbers, that's true. But if you're talking generic ballot or other numbers, Obama is much more unpopular. It's really a meaningless pissing contest anyway, because the likelihood of a 2014 congressional shellacking for Democrats is extremely strong no matter whose analysis you read. The GOP is expected by ALL pundits and analysts to retain the House, and according to most, stands a good chance of gaining the Senate.
Yup! Another Republican who shot himself in the foot. It may surprise you but I like Christie ( unlike the way many of his GOP brethren feel about him ). He's a Republican I might have voted for as he truly reached across party lines and it wasn't all about us vs. them but the voters. But alas he allowed his support people to follow in the foot steps of many a GOP member and ruined his chances. As they always seem to.
Christie didn't "allow" his support people to do anything. As someone who lives right across the Delaware, I've heard a lot about this. I've seen no evidence whatsoever that he was involved or allowed it even tacitly. In fact, I was impressed with his response to it. He held a 2 hour news conference and took full responsibility. He explained in detail how it came to his attention. He denied any and all knowledge of what happened prior to being informed. He personally interviewed staff members. He then fired someone, and essentially ended the political career of another. Talk about a contrast in leadership when compared to Obama. I think Christie has a real chance.
By the way, Hillary's roll-out with the book has been a total disaster. She even argued with an NPR reporter. She's angry, evasive, shrill, and makes bizarre statements about being "dead broke."
Here's what I'm predicting. Continued bad times for the GOP as long as they let the Teapublicans run their party. Nobody wants their doctrine ( " No! " to any idea besides their own especially Democrats thus paralyzing government ) anymore and they just don't seem to get that. For nobody read the current voting majority demographic ( you know the ones that win an election ).
I'm predicting that barring illness or an unforeseen disaster Hillary will probably run and be our next commander and chief in 2016.
If that happens I'm all for that.
Wait...I thought people like John Boehner and Mitch McConnell were running the party? The Tea Party scored a victory in knowing off Cantor. We'll see what happens from here. As for "the party of no," that's just a Dem talking point. They've passed dozens of bills on the budget, healthcare and everything else...just to see Harry Reid refuse to bring them up in Senate. The notion that the GOP just says "no" to everything and presents no plans of its owns is nothing but a media creation.
Hillary: Again, you must not follow the news. She may not even run. Given her rollout this week, it's not looking good. She might get the nomination, but the GOP will savage her for Benghazi and her actions as Secretary.