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In the run up to the launch of OS X 10.10 Yosemite and iOS 8, Apple is now asking developers to make their apps available as part of Family Sharing, a new iTunes feature that allows family members to share purchased content.




According to AppleInsider reader Gregg, Apple sent out emails via iTunes Connect on Wednesday outlining Family Sharing and asking developers to opt-in to the new program.

Unveiled at WWDC 2014 on Monday, Family Sharing lets up to six family members who use the same credit card to share content purchased from the iTunes Store, including the iOS and Mac App Stores.

As noted in today's email, the program allows family members to share photos, a family calendar and even current their locations among devices registered under a single account. In a bid to thwart litigation, Apple also built in parental controls that allows parents to approve purchases and downloads made by their children. Parents have the ability to accept or reject purchases remotely.

With today's email, Apple is urging developers to agree to the new iOS and Mac Paid Applications Agreement in iTunes Connect regarding Family Sharing. Apparently developers have the option to keep past purchases out of the program, suggesting the same option will be available to future apps as well.
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With today's email, Apple is urging developers to agree to the new iOS and Mac Paid Applications Agreement in iTunes Connect regarding Family Sharing. Apparently developers have the option to keep past purchases out of the program, suggesting the same option will be available to future apps as well.

 

Apparently parents will have the option to not buy apps from developers who don't agree to support Family Sharing.  ;) 

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We already do this in a simplified manner, under a single id. I like the location feature, however, and I am sure the parental control feature will be welcome in many families. My guess is that the photo sharing feature will be the least utilized. Who wants to share photos WITH their kids? I may want to share photos OF them, but not WITH them. And please, I don't want to see THEIR pictures. REALLY. People with pre-teen, or teen kids will understand.
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Finally. I thought this was one of the highlights of the keynote, but I hadn't seen anyone mention it yet.

This will be great for families like mine that have been sharing a single account for years across a number of devices. Now I can afford to give everyone their own personal Apple account without having buy multiple copies of apps and music. We were all get rather sick of random apps that other family members purchased showing up on our phones and iPads.
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As with the above, I've been looking for this exact feature for nearly a decade (ever since we first bought something from the iTunes Store).
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Perhaps I'm missing something, but how with Family Sharing be different than this: I currently have an Apple ID that I use to purchase apps and music. I have that same ID on my kids and my wife's devices to purchase the same. If I bought something, they could therefore also "redownload" the same on their devices and computers. They each also have their own Apple ID for their email, signing into game center, iMessages, etc. The only difference is that I don't see a "permission" when my son wants to buy an app.

What am I missing on this?
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Wondering why the family grouping needs to all use the same credit card? My partner and I each have our own. But home sharing has too many limitations.

So now, I'll setup my partner and our kids in my family share ....and she'll set me and the kids up under her's? Which won't work if as part of doing that I have to use her credit card, and she mine.

So we just pick one credit card and all use that?

I am obviously confused.

....is this something that you do in the States, share credit cards? In Oz the norm is each has their own.
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Finally. I thought this was one of the highlights of the keynote, but I hadn't seen anyone mention it yet.

This will be great for families like mine that have been sharing a single account for years across a number of devices. Now I can afford to give everyone their own personal Apple account without having buy multiple copies of apps and music. We were all get rather sick of random apps that other family members purchased showing up on our phones and iPads.
On each device just turn off the auto-download feature and that solves your problem. Apps, music, etc are separately toggleable too!
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Wondering why the family grouping needs to all use the same credit card? 

....is this something that you do in the States, share credit cards? In Oz the norm is each has their own.

 

It's probably to prevent you from making a "family" with random friends to save money.

 

Yes, in the States, a credit card account will have one name on it. The spouse will order a authorized user card that has the same number but different name, and the liability rests with the primary account holder. You can also do the same with teens, often used if they travel without you.

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Wondering why the family grouping needs to all use the same credit card? My partner and I each have our own. But home sharing has too many limitations.

So now, I'll setup my partner and our kids in my family share ....and she'll set me and the kids up under her's? Which won't work if as part of doing that I have to use her credit card, and she mine.

So we just pick one credit card and all use that?

I am obviously confused.

....is this something that you do in the States, share credit cards? In Oz the norm is each has their own.
Not normal, but apple's way of controlling us. I would guarantee we still can't merge accounts and account assets. Totally pisses me off. I still own songs from years ago I can't have since my family is all under a different unified account. Wish I had the time and money and patience to sue.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

We already do this in a simplified manner, under a single id.

 

Same here. The iPad used by my wife, my kid and I are on the same User Id.

But I like this new feature since it will still keep unique Ids, thereby ensuring separate emails, notes and documents, but not having to buy the same app within the family.

 

 

Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Who wants to share photos WITH their kids? I may want to share photos OF them, but not WITH them. And please, I don't want to see THEIR pictures. REALLY. People with pre-teen, or teen kids will understand.

 

I totally agree. Right now, my kid is only 4 so his dad is currently the greatest guy in the world. But soon he is not going to enjoy the same things I do, but I'm sure he'd opt out of family sharing then!!

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Not normal, but apple's way of controlling us. I would guarantee we still can't merge accounts and account assets. Totally pisses me off. I still own songs from years ago I can't have since my family is all under a different unified account. Wish I had the time and money and patience to sue.

If you really have a potential suit I'm sure you could find a lawyer willing to take it pro bono as a class action.

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Not normal, but apple's way of controlling us. I would guarantee we still can't merge accounts and account assets. Totally pisses me off. I still own songs from years ago I can't have since my family is all under a different unified account. Wish I had the time and money and patience to sue.

You'd lose the suit. Technically you never owned the songs. What you bought was permission to use the songs for your personal use subject to the terms and availability of the iTunes music store. This isn't really Apples fault so much that it is the record labels trying to maximize profit by giving you the least value for money you are willing to accept while minimizing your ability to share with your friends.
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Originally Posted by rgh71 View Post
Not normal, but apple's way of controlling us.

 

Nope.

 
I would guarantee we still can't merge accounts and account assets.

 

‘Course not.

 
I still own songs from years ago I can't have since my family is all under a different unified account.

 

Of course you can have them.

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The spouse will order a authorized user card that has the same number but different name, and the liability rests with the primary account holder.

Ah ok. We have joint account (same pool of credit/funds) but separate credit card numbers.

It does seem a big limitation to the whole thing. We're talking 5 to 10 years of purchases that we each own, and if we used family sharing we'd have to leave one half of that collection out.

Perfectly fine for a new family coming to iTunes. Pick one of your credit cards and go for it.

But for existing customers, if apple want to achieve their stated aims for family share, they would allow a family group to share content between each other, irrespective of whether each family member purchased the content with same or different cards.

No?
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Not normal, but apple's way of controlling us. I would guarantee we still can't merge accounts and account assets. Totally pisses me off. I still own songs from years ago I can't have since my family is all under a different unified account. Wish I had the time and money and patience to sue.

With less time and patience you could simply log into the other account, download the songs, burn them to CD and then do what you like with them?
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Wondering why the family grouping needs to all use the same credit card? My partner and I each have our own. But home sharing has too many limitations.

So now, I'll setup my partner and our kids in my family share ....and she'll set me and the kids up under her's? Which won't work if as part of doing that I have to use her credit card, and she mine.

So we just pick one credit card and all use that?

I am obviously confused.

....is this something that you do in the States, share credit cards? In Oz the norm is each has their own.

The family doesn't have to use the same credit card. I have been doing that for years with my family members, kids and grandchildren. Just make a special Apple ID that is not connected to any credit card and which family members can use for buying through AppStore. Of course they also have their own Apple ID's themselves, but a special account used for buying from iTunes etc.

 

Then you can put as much credit to the account as you wish from your credit card and from any family members credit card if you wish so. You can even let your kids use theirs in some cases to buy their own credit on the account. Just shut off the automatic downloading of what others are buying ;-).

And to add, my family is spread over a few countries, all of them using their own aTV's, iPhones/iPads and Macs. Yes, just Apple's :-)

 

In that way we share films, apps and programs that we want, we could even share the songs, but.... you know ;-) If one rents a film, a good one, the others get a message that they have 24 hours to see it also if they want.

 

I just made the simple rule that the kids have to call me for my acceptance if they want to buy anything worth over a few dollars and they do! But you never say no, especially to the youngest ones :-) and it is really nice to hear their voices :-)


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If you really have a potential suit I'm sure you could find a lawyer willing to take it pro bono as a class action.

Or he could actually contact Apple to see if they can do something about it, instead of being a bitter troll.

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post #19 of 37

I am surprised that you can just drag songs from your iTunes library into iMessages and send them to anyone you want without any DMR.

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I love this new feature. I have been doing like others and using one ID for my family. However, there is a device limit to doing this so I have to pick and choose which ones have it. Maybe I am not the norm but it is a big deal in our household. I just hope when our kids are old enough and move out that you can then separate their purchases tied to their account...That would be a great feature. Maybe it is there just unclear at this point.
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Nah, I'm still going to use 1 Apple ID for iTunes Store and App Store on all devices. Separate iCloud accounts for everything else. I suppose we'll benefit from some of the other sharing like Calendar.

 

My wife is never purchased anything with her Apple ID and I'm not buying the utility of Family Sharing enough to say she start making purchases on that instead of on my account as we always have.

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Same here. The iPad used by my wife, my kid and I are on the same User Id.

But I like this new feature since it will still keep unique Ids, thereby ensuring separate emails, notes and documents, but not having to buy the same app within the family.

 

 

 

I totally agree. Right now, my kid is only 4 so his dad is currently the greatest guy in the world. But soon he is not going to enjoy the same things I do, but I'm sure he'd opt out of family sharing then!!

 

Exactly.  Our shared Pages is filling up with my kids' school work and my work-work.  Yes, one can "make it work" today by turning off all the new features of the last few iOS versions, but this Family thing will fix that.

 

As to why it's tied to one credit card and whether that's reasonable, it's to prevent blatent piracy and is a reasonable compromise between supporting users and supporting developers/content providers.  Sucks if you have more than 4 kids, but they had to draw the line somewhere or the labels and major developers wouldn't go along with it.

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The family doesn't have to use the same credit card. I have been doing that for years with my family members, kids and grandchildren. Just make a special Apple ID that is not connected to any credit card and which family members can use for buying through AppStore. Of course they also have their own Apple ID's themselves, but a special account used for buying from iTunes etc.

 

Then you can put as much credit to the account as you wish from your credit card and from any family members credit card if you wish so. You can even let your kids use theirs in some cases to buy their own credit on the account. Just shut off the automatic downloading of what others are buying ;-).

And to add, my family is spread over a few countries, all of them using their own aTV's, iPhones/iPads and Macs. Yes, just Apple's :-)

 

In that way we share films, apps and programs that we want, we could even share the songs, but.... you know ;-) If one rents a film, a good one, the others get a message that they have 24 hours to see it also if they want.

 

I just made the simple rule that the kids have to call me for my acceptance if they want to buy anything worth over a few dollars and they do! But you never say no, especially to the youngest ones :-) and it is really nice to hear their voices :-)

 

First, how are you doing that?  I don't understand how you have "a special Apple ID that is not connected to any credit card and which family members can use for buying through AppStore" without all the devices associated with that ID.

 

Second, you realize that that is well outside the terms and conditions you agreed to, right?  The new family thing Apple is offering is a good reasonable step in the right direction, but still won't support that.

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If you really have a potential suit I'm sure you could find a lawyer willing to take it pro bono as a class action.

 

Pro bono? 

 

Class action -- by its very nature -- makes lawyers money at the expense of the plaintiffs, who usually get some meaningless token such as small discounts toward some future purchase.

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Exactly.  Our shared Pages is filling up with my kids' school work and my work-work.  Yes, one can "make it work" today by turning off all the new features of the last few iOS versions, but this Family thing will fix that.

 

 

UM, what? Why are you sharing iCloud accounts? That's absurd! All you need to do is share an iTunes Store account. That has no bearing on the iCloud account that the device is using.

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I'm hoping with this feature, there will be a way to transfer ownership of purchases to another family account. My wife and I use the same account but its become a problem with the Apple TV bug for itunes match users that shows the match library as well as purchases. That didn't use to be the case until the last few months and there's no option that I could find to turn off purchases showing up. There is an option in ios7.

I know its not likely for this to happen but I'm hoping for a short window to do this, like a one time only deal.
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Okay I am acting old here. but this is just another example of kids feeling entitled.

 

I do not understand the need for kids and I mean under 18 having purchasing access to a parents CC. I said this before when the whole issue of apple and other companies being sued due to someone kids making thousands of $ of purchase without the parents knowledge, be a parent first and supervise your kids and not make it other people issue for your failure as a parent.

 

Kids should not be purchasing things themselves this is why CC company do not issue them a CC. Legally no kids can enter into a contract and buying something on credit is a contract this is why parents should be making the actual purchase. By giving kids this kind of access, Apple and other company know full well that kids will buy whatever they want and few parent had the will power to say no to their kids.

 

I see it all the time in stores the kids wearing the parent down as the kid screams and yells about wanting to buy something. If you kids want to buy something make them us their birthday money and they will learn real fast the value of something and learn the the money runs out at some point.

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Okay I am acting old here. but this is just another example of kids feeling entitled.

I do not understand the need for kids and I mean under 18 having purchasing access to a parents CC. I said this before when the whole issue of apple and other companies being sued due to someone kids making thousands of $ of purchase without the parents knowledge, be a parent first and supervise your kids and not make it other people issue for your failure as a parent.

Kids should not be purchasing things themselves this is why CC company do not issue them a CC. Legally no kids can enter into a contract and buying something on credit is a contract this is why parents should be making the actual purchase. By giving kids this kind of access, Apple and other company know full well that kids will buy whatever they want and few parent had the will power to say no to their kids.

I see it all the time in stores the kids wearing the parent down as the kid screams and yells about wanting to buy something. If you kids want to buy something make them us their birthday money and they will learn real fast the value of something and learn the the money runs out at some point.

I think a better option is the gift card route. When the money runs out, they need to earn their own money.

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Apparently parents will have the option to not buy apps from developers who don't agree to support Family Sharing.  ;) 

 

You always had the option to "not buy apps". No one forces you to buy an app.

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This "family share" is a great idea but that means less profit for the developer. Does this mean the cost of Apps will increase?  Will Apple decrease it's percentage?  Here's an example  I release a "do  hickey" app.  Dad buys it at $1,99. Mom likes it so does son and daughter. They each pay $1.99 for the app. But with family share -  they only pay once. Then there's the issue of families having multiple accounts.  What then?  

 

Did I miss something?  

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This "family share" is a great idea but that means less profit for the developer. Does this mean the cost of Apps will increase?  Will Apple decrease it's percentage?  Here's an example  I release a "do  hickey" app.  Dad buys it at $1,99. Mom likes it so does son and daughter. They each pay $1.99 for the app. But with family share -  they only pay once. Then there's the issue of families having multiple accounts.  What then?  

 

Did I miss something?  

I'm thinking that IAP won't count.  Since children are primarily interested in games which are often free with a boatload of IAP I think that's where developers are going to make money.   Each family member would have to buy their own IAP which does mean more money for developers. 

 

I'll have to search for how the IAP receipts work in conjunction with Family Sharing

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That will make the app more expensive. Developers have to eat. People want everything for free until it's their work that has to be undervalued as a result. I'd do it but I'd also have to raise the price of the app to cover the cost. So basically people who don't have families will have to redistribute their income to those who do have families...I guess we already do that here in the US. Same sh**** different day.

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I think developers will ultimately go for it. Will ultimately push more apps to use IAP though.

The problem developers have is the app store lowered what people expect to pay for something. Then it required updates to be free meaning trying to do a version 2 is a gamble at loosing a ranking. Now with sharing your incomes lowered further.

IAP is one of the only ways to get the real value from a customer, but its also a really ugly way of selling.
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It's probably to prevent you from making a "family" with random friends to save money.

 

 

 

That's what I thought, too.

 

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Yes, in the States, a credit card account will have one name on it. The spouse will order a authorized user card that has the same number but different name, and the liability rests with the primary account holder. You can also do the same with teens, often used if they travel without you.

 

My spouse's authorized user card has a different number. It doesn't matter though for purposes of iTunes though. We'll just pick one number and both use it. We're already sharing the account, so using the same number isn't any different.

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I think that Apple knows that people are already beating the system. Maybe they understand that what my wife and kids buy with my money, even with different Apple IDs, was still bought with my money. Why shouldn't I have access to a song my wife bought on her iPhone? It was paid for out of our joint bank account. I've had an issue with this for a while.
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This "family share" is a great idea but that means less profit for the developer. Does this mean the cost of Apps will increase?  Will Apple decrease it's percentage?  Here's an example  I release a "do  hickey" app.  Dad buys it at $1,99. Mom likes it so does son and daughter. They each pay $1.99 for the app. But with family share -  they only pay once. Then there's the issue of families having multiple accounts.  What then?  

Did I miss something?  

I suppose that might happen, but I expect that it's rare. More likely the majority of families have already designated an iTunes account to be shared. Nobody wants to pay twice for something, and within an immediate family most people share movies/games/etc rather than buy individual copies.
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With today's email, Apple is urging developers to agree to the new iOS and Mac Paid Applications Agreement in iTunes Connect regarding Family Sharing. Apparently developers have the option to keep past purchases out of the program, suggesting the same option will be available to future apps as well.

No it doesn't. Apple probably needs permission to include past sales since the contractual terms under which the apps were sold didn't include any provision for sharing; however, all Apple needs to say is: "starting tomorrow, all apps submitted to the App Store must agree to our new Paid Applications Agreement" and the "option" is gone forever.
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