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Rumor: 'iWatch' to sport curved OLED touchscreen, Apple 'confident' and building up to 5M per month

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Apple's fabled iWatch is likely to launch in October, a new report claims, sporting a curved organic light-emitting diode touchscreen and collecting health-related data ranging from sleep activity all the way to blood oxygen levels.

iWatch concept


Apple is said to appear very "confident" in the product, with plans to build 3 million to 5 million units per month, according to Nikkei. If true, that would exceed the total worldwide sales of smart watches estimated to have been sold in the entirety of 2013.

To put the numbers in perspective, Apple sold 14.8 million iPads in that product's first 12 months -- a number considered to be a rousing success.

In addition to sleep activity and blood oxygen levels, the report claims the wrist-worn device will also track calorie consumption and blood glucose, and will allow users to read messages from their connected iPhone. Apple is also said to have partnered with the Mayo Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic to analyze collected data and find ways to make it more useful for users.

The report also suggests that Nike's anticipated exit from the wearable devices market will mean a closer partnership with Apple on the so-called "iWatch." It was said that Nike is looking to focus more on services and less on building hardware.

Wearable Device
AppleInsider was first to discover an Apple patent filing describing a watch design with flexible display.


The "iWatch" is rumored to run a version of Apple's iOS mobile operating system. The latest version of that platform, iOS 8, was unveiled at this week's Worldwide Developers Conference.

Apple has been rumored to be interested in OLED displays for years, but as of yet the company has stuck with LCD panels with in-plane switching. Still, the company has a number of OLED-related patents to its name, including dynamic brightness adjustment and improved power efficiency. The company also hired away a senior OLED researcher from LG Display.

In an OLED screen, each pixel is made of an organic compound that emits light when electrical current is passed through it. Because of this design, OLED panels don't require a backlight, making them thinner and lighter than traditional LCD-based panels and adding the potential to be folded or curved.

iWatch
Artist's rendition of purported Apple smartwatch. | Source: Yrving Torrealba


The inclusion of a flexible OLED would allow for a more form-fitting design in which the screen could curve with the contours of the wearer's wrist, rather than sitting flat on the top.

Friday's report isn't the first time that Apple has been rumored to use flexible OLED displays for its anticipated smart wrist accessory. One report in January claimed that LG would manufacture such screens for Apple in time for a late 2014 launch.
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My theory here is that Apple have worked out a way to curve a round screen in BOTH directions. Just a subtle curve, but imagine a slight convexed domed sapphire glass watch, where the screen behind tracks that shape - it would be beautiful.
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Apple is said to appear very "confident" in the product, with plans to build 3 million to 5 million units per month, according to Nikkei. If true, that would exceed the total worldwide sales of smart watches estimated to have been sold in the entirety of 2013.

When I read this, an immediate thought was Samsung will claim to have shipped two-three times that number of smart watches.

As I wrote this reply, I smiled about Strategy Analytics, IDC, Gartner and others finding white box watches that can be somehow be called smart watches in attempts to make certain Apple is perceived to be lagging the competition.

Oh well. Happy Friday!
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Track blood glucose but not continuously measure. There is presently no available non invasive technology that can reliably measure blood glucose on a continous basis. Technology that can measure glucose on a continous basis need frequent calibration which kind of defeats the point.
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Bull.

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Still won't wear a watch or any wrist strapped device. If I can clip it on someplace, great. Otherwise I won't wear it. I'm hoping this device is more like the 5th gen iPod nano that has a clip but could be used as a watch. To me that tackles a much broader user-base.
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5 Million per month?   :wow:

Not many items to assemble then. All come as package in that flexible electronic board. Huh?

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Hypochondriacs everywhere will be ecstatic, no, orgasmic when this is released. “Doctor, my iWatch says I’m sick.”

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Apple is said to [have] plans to build 3 million to 5 million units per month, according to Nikkei

 

Somehow AppleInsider has confounded rumor with history. No big surprise, really, but I do think there is a big difference between being said to have plans, and being said to be "building 5M per month", as stated in the title of the article.

 

The really bad part is that we've not seen a product refresh in the iWatch line in well over a year. This may be why sales are so low. It appears Apple has run out of ideas for it and the iWatch is stagnating. One wonders how long Apple can stuff the channel with product, when it isn't selling well at all.  /s.

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Still won't wear a watch or any wrist strapped device. If I can clip it on someplace, great. Otherwise I won't wear it. I'm hoping this device is more like the 5th gen iPod nano that has a clip but could be used as a watch. To me that tackles a much broader user-base.
Looks like you won't be buying a iWatch!
post #11 of 46
So a rumored product has rumored components, a rumored volume manu rate and a rumored release date.
Analysts thinks it's rumored to be more successful than the iPad? Yea, right.
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1) I don't understand the use of "curved OLED" in the title and "flexible OLED" in the body. I hope AI isn't interchanging this terms as if they are mean the same thing.

2) I don't know how believable this rumour is but I've been saying that OLED is probably the best way to go with the iWatch concept because the display can be almost entire black to conserve power while also showing data on screen, like a simple and elegant watch face or text, and because the black will be very deep, not just a near-black dark-grey, thereby helping it look more jewelry-like.

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post #13 of 46
5 million a month? Only if it is an iPod, costs less than $100, and one charge lasts for a whole week.
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excited to see what they release.

but...i would rather wear a sensor laden arm band that's flexible and light and out of sight that pushes biometrics to my iphone than a watch that's heavy, visible, and seeks to get my attention by pushing info from my phone to me.

wish apple would work on this instead.
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Fascinating. People have been trying very hard for a non-invasive glucose monitoring since the 1970s. Apple doing scientific research? This would be HUGE if it works.

Check this out

http://www.google.com/patents/US8606342

a California company patent purporting to have an answer combining multi-wavelength near infra-red spec readings and some serious matrix computations.

A pulse and active pulse spectraphotometry system comprises a light source adapted to illuminate a tissue site with optical radiation having a plurality of wavelengths selected from at least one of a primary band of about 1620 nm to about 1730 nm and a secondary band of about 1000 nm to about 1380 nm.
post #16 of 46
And here we go again, RUMORS until october ..?

On WWDC not a word about hardware not even small updates about products, 3 days later the rumors start again, I think that Tim Cook must be having a lot of fun with all these websites guessing all the time.

Can AppleInsider please stick to FACTS please, otherwise what's the point ?
this is a NEWS site, not a best-guess rumor site.

Only my view, that's all, may be someone reads and reacts on this.
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Track blood glucose but not continuously measure. There is presently no available non invasive technology that can reliably measure blood glucose on a continous basis. Technology that can measure glucose on a continous basis need frequent calibration which kind of defeats the point.

 

Calibration becomes (vitally) important once one attempts to assign real world numbers to sensed data. You raise an interesting point. :-)

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1) I don't understand the use of "curved OLED" in the title and "flexible OLED" in the body. I hope AI isn't interchanging this terms as if they are mean the same thing...

...helping it look more jewelry-like.

 

Would have thought 'curved' rather than 'flexible'. Sensors would need to be in close proximity to the skin. A greater number of sensors or sensor area would require more contact area.

 

I still favour dress watch, less display, as we have previously discussed.

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post #19 of 46
The iwatch has to work under water. I never take my watch off. Shower and swim daily. An old Timex, I replace the wristband every two years.

The iwatch will have to be something special to get me to dump the Timex.
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The iwatch has to work under water. I never take my watch off. Shower and swim daily. An old Timex, I replace the wristband every two years.

The iwatch will have to be something special to get me to dump the Timex.

 

There's no imperative for an iWatch to sport an opening or seal of any kind. In fact, disappointing if it does.

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post #21 of 46
Still not seeing a lot to believe in the watch rumors, but if they are in fact building one, and they are in fact looking forward to 5 million or even 3 million a month, it seems like it must be relatively inexpensive. But looking at the claims of the bold and sensors and capabilities in various rumors that seems unlikely.

This isn't a phone they can subsidize, and it won't have the iPad advantage of being seen as a possible laptop replacement for less money. I am just not sure how the cost verses capability verses predicted sales numbers can all line up.

But it is Apple....
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excited to see what they release.

but...i would rather wear a sensor laden arm band that's flexible and light and out of sight that pushes biometrics to my iphone than a watch that's heavy, visible, and seeks to get my attention by pushing info from my phone to me.

wish apple would work on this instead.

I think that is much closer to a winning product over something that tries to duplicate what a smartphone can do, like current smartwatches.

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post #23 of 46
AppleInsider needs to stop using those fake fantasy product illustrations. They're always ludicrous. You don't know what they look like.

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AppleInsider needs to stop using those fake fantasy product illustrations. They're always ludicrous. You don't know what they look like.

I don't mind AI or anyone else using mockups but these simply aren't good. A perfectly round bracelet that then requires you to slide your finger over it to use makes zero sense. I think AI could help their traffic by paying someone(s) to make a variety of mockups that would be owned by AI with their watermark.

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post #25 of 46
If they can track calorie consumption on a wrist, that will be a MAJOR technical achievement. Almost so major that I think this rumor can't be true. I would love to be surprised though.
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I think the health stuff is great but I want my watch to do other stuff also like
Messaging
Compass
iPod
Apps
Recorder camera
GPS
Maps
Etc


Also if this is a health device what about the effects of electromagnetic radiation on the wearer?

My doc already says to take my iPhone out of my pocket and move my alarm clock away from my head.

Finally lol to end my monologue

I hope Apples watch team is carefully using the Pebble, Gear watch and Nike's two main watches, to see what works (no repeat of iTunes Radio?)

(Not sure that story on iTunes Radio is even true but still ...)
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My doc already says to take my iPhone out of my pocket and move my alarm clock away from my head.

Does s/he say why?

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My doc already says to take my iPhone out of my pocket and move my alarm clock away from my head.

 

You should consider getting a real doctor...

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So a rumored product has rumored components, a rumored volume manu rate and a rumored release date.
Analysts thinks it's rumored to be more successful than the iPad? Yea, right.

It's Apple's best-selling rumor ever!

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I wonder how the watch band will connect to the actual watch part. Will this just be one seamless type piece or can you disconnect the watch part and therefore allow possible third parties to make bands. I am sure there would be a thriving market for bands in all shapes, sizes, colors, and materials if it can be detached.

 

I also wonder how adjustable and comfortable the band will be. I have a Breitling watch and it slips and slides a bit on my wrist. And since the watch part is very big and heavy I find myself adjusting it frequently. The problem with taking the band down a notch is that made it uncomfortably tight. Maybe Apple will have a design on size adjustment for the band that allows people to really get a comfortable fit that is tight enough not to slip and slide but not so tight as to pinch. 

 

I would say this rumor is very likely to be true. I remember Apple acquiring iWatch patents all over the world with that shell company a long time back. It also just makes perfect sense as their next product category. This will be yet another affordable, entry type product like the iPod touch to help lock people into the iOS ecosystem. 

 

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Can AppleInsider please stick to FACTS please, otherwise what's the point ?
this is a NEWS site, not a best-guess rumor site.

 

The "Future Apple Hardware" section of the forum is traditionally the place to discuss rumors. The difference is that in the past there were some credible sources, the rumors were actual leaks and the discussions were much more interesting. Remember Think Secret? They had inside info that was often picked up here igniting densely crowded long discussions. Those days are over after Apple shutting down TS and plugging leaking holes, but the focus of this section has not changed because Apple never reveals its plans. Therefore future hardware discussions are closely tied to rumors circulating the web.

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Can AppleInsider please stick to FACTS please, otherwise what's the point ?
this is a NEWS site, not a best-guess rumor site.
 

 

You are mistaken.  As clearly stated on the home page titlebar:

"AppleInsider | News and rumors since 1997"

 

AI is doing a great job.  I love their cheerleading!  

I do wish, however, that AI would not confound the two, such as in the title vs. content of this story.  :)

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1) I don't understand the use of "curved OLED" in the title and "flexible OLED" in the body. I hope AI isn't interchanging this terms as if they are mean the same thing.

2) I don't know how believable this rumour is but I've been saying that OLED is probably the best way to go with the iWatch concept because the display can be almost entire black to conserve power while also showing data on screen, like a simple and elegant watch face or text, and because the black will be very deep, not just a near-black dark-grey, thereby helping it look more jewelry-like.
Agreed the two shouldn't be confused. You can use flexible oled displays without it actually being curved. Though if it is indeed curved that could mean it won't be a round dial. A round watch doesn't necessarily need a curve and would I suspect give a rather weird convex effect. If curved I suspect it being curved in order to have a better fit for a rectangular or square face.

Yep, oled is definitely the way to go. Not only does it not use a backlight it also allows for individual pixels to be turned on while the others are completely off. The Moto X's Active Display uses this, and is rumored to be included in the Moto 360 as well.
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I think the health stuff is great but I want my watch to do other stuff also like
Messaging
Compass
iPod
Apps
Recorder camera
GPS
Maps
Etc

And include a cutting laser and a strong magnetic field, just in case of Bond villains.
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Can I drive my Tesla from the watch controls yet?

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Does the strap have a deployment buckle?
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A wearable device is more of a subjective "thing" than a phone. All phones are generally flat, rectangular, and remain in your pocket until needed. A watch, much more visible, is even more prone to aesthetic likes and dislikes. As much as an Apple fan as I am, if the iWatch turns out to be a glorified Fuelband or a techy bracelet like all the concept pics, it won't fit my personal tastes. I would prefer something elegant, classy, not over-the-top geeky but still fully integrated with the Apple ecosystem. I don't want to talk to it (I rarely use Siri currently because in my work env pulling up an app less obnoxious than talking to my phone during a meeting). I also am not convinced that wearable tech is the next wave; at least not the first generation. Wearing it on my wrist is only slightly more convenient that having it in my pocket. 

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For me to preorder iWatch on day 1, I would like:

1. Health sensors to replace the likes of Fitbit and FuelBand (and hopefully more extensive set of sensors).
2. Good battery life, at least 3 days.
3. Wireless charging.
4. Hands-free Siri.
5. Notification Center.
6. Vibration motor so that I don't miss important calls or notifications.
7. Can double as a remote control for Apple TV.
8. 8-16GB storage so that it can double as iPod nano.
9. Can remotely trigger iPhone/iPad to take a picture (I don't need iWatch to have a camera of its own).

My dream feature is an LTE modem like iPad, ideally with T-Mobile's free plan, to receive important notifications when I am not carrying iPhone with me.
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I wonder how the watch band will connect to the actual watch part. Will this just be one seamless type piece or can you disconnect the watch part and therefore allow possible third parties to make bands. I am sure there would be a thriving market for bands in all shapes, sizes, colors, and materials if it can be detached.

I also wonder how adjustable and comfortable the band will be. I have a Breitling watch and it slips and slides a bit on my wrist. And since the watch part is very big and heavy I find myself adjusting it frequently. The problem with taking the band down a notch is that made it uncomfortably tight. Maybe Apple will have a design on size adjustment for the band that allows people to really get a comfortable fit that is tight enough not to slip and slide but not so tight as to pinch. 

I would say this rumor is very likely to be true. I remember Apple acquiring iWatch patents all over the world with that shell company a long time back. It also just makes perfect sense as their next product category. This will be yet another affordable, entry type product like the iPod touch to help lock people into the iOS ecosystem. 
You're stating the obvious.
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For me to preorder iWatch on day 1, I would like:

1. Health sensors to replace the likes of Fitbit and FuelBand (and hopefully more extensive set of sensors).
2. Good battery life, at least 3 days.
3. Wireless charging.
4. Hands-free Siri.
5. Notification Center.
6. Vibration motor so that I don't miss important calls or notifications.
7. Can double as a remote control for Apple TV.
8. 8-16GB storage so that it can double as iPod nano.
9. Can remotely trigger iPhone/iPad to take a picture (I don't need iWatch to have a camera of its own).

My dream feature is an LTE modem like iPad, ideally with T-Mobile's free plan, to receive important notifications when I am not carrying iPhone with me.

No date and time? Let me guess: Who needs a watch to tell you the time when your phone has the time?

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