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At this week's Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco, Apple announced a restructuring of its iCloud storage and computing services as part of an apparent bid to stem the tide of user data flowing from iOS and OS X to competitors like Dropbox and Facebook.




If there were a commodities market for intangible goods, consumer data wouldn't trade very far behind breathable air. Physically trading a Vaio for a MacBook or an iPhone for a Moto X is easy; migrating data between those platforms isn't, and that makes for particularly strong platform loyalty.

Apple has seen competitors wrest control of its users' data away in recent years, and the company is responding to the threat with a number of new features and pricing changes that are good for both consumers and developers.

Consumers



Users have long lampooned Apple for its relatively stingy approach to doling out storage allowances. Each iCloud account comes with just 5 gigabytes of disk space by default, an amount that's easily eclipsed by normal users, especially those who make heavy use of the iPhone's camera.

Apple's upgrade options are equally vexing: $20 per year adds just 10 gigabytes of additional space, with $40 netting another 10 gigabytes and $100 adding only 30 gigabytes more, bringing the total allowance to 50 gigabytes. That same $100 per year would buy twice the space -- 100 gigabytes -- from Dropbox or Box.com and an extra $20 would bring a whopping 1 terabyte from Google Drive.



iCloud's storage limits were marginally defensible when the service was limited to synchronizing data from iOS and Mac apps. With iCloud Drive, however, Apple is pitting iCloud against a horde of firmly-entrenched competitors and has rethought its pricing strategy.

With the launch of iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, the base storage allocation will remain at 5 gigabytes. Upgrading to 20 gigabytes will cost just $0.99 per month, though, with 200 gigabytes coming in at only $3.99 per month. Additional tiers of up to 1 terabyte will be available, but their pricing hasn't been announced.

Those costs put iCloud Drive in an excellent position on storage space alone, but it shines yet brighter over its competition when considering iCloud's seamless integration with Apple's devices. The budding iCloud.com suite -- which includes web-based versions of Numbers, Pages, and Keynote -- adds even more value.

Developers



Developers can also take advantage of iCloud Drive to store and synchronize documents and data for their apps, but they've got a service all their own: CloudKit. CloudKit is a new, "effectively free" service that lets developers store users' data in the cloud with asset storage (for things like photos) as well as database space.



There are a number of other advantages for developers adopting CloudKit, but Apple's generous storage allowances are the tentpole feature. Apps start out with 5 gigabytes of storage for assets and 50 megabytes for database; each additional user adds 100 megabytes of asset storage and 1 megabyte of database space.

Data transfer is included as well, starting at 25 megabytes per day for assets and 250 kilobytes per day for database. Those are bumped up by 0.5 megabytes and 5 kilobytes, respectively, per day per user.
CloudKit's top asset storage tier would cost tens of thousands of dollars per month from other vendors.
Apps can store up to a petabyte of assets and 10 terabytes of data while transferring 5 terabytes of assets and 50 gigabytes of data each day -- for free. The asset storage and transfer alone would cost developers at least $40,000 per month if they used Amazon's Simple Storage Service.

There is one catch, of course: since iCloud is tied to iOS, apps will either need to stay exclusive to Apple's platform or build with more than one storage backend in mind.

With the mobile wars heating up, it will be a difficult decision?--?but Apple has given them hundreds of thousands of reasons to consider it.
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As soon as Yosemite and iOS 8 launch Dropbox is out the door!
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As soon as Yosemite and iOS 8 launch Dropbox is out the door!
I, personally, won't use it for my data- but I'll still keep it as plenty of other people use it and I randomly use it for business now, and I doubt others will be changing like me- particularly those on windows.
I liken it to word/pages. I took office off my computer, but still export to word when I need to send to someone for further editing (although 99% of uses I can just do PDF)

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Not sure you have picked up the pricing comparison quite right - Google Drive is $100 per month (not per year) for 10TB! If only...!
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Not sure you have picked up the pricing quite right - Google Drive is $100 per month (not per year) for 10TB. If only...!
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This will finally solve my photo library problems, and for that I will purchase at least 200GB. Dropbox is (truly) great, but can't handle iPhoto libraries, which means I can't keep my desktop, laptop (let alone iOS devices) synced (and thus back-ups all need to be looked after). I may keep DropBox (but just reduced from 200GB to 100GB), since I use it to share with some "non Mac" friends. As far as I'm concerned the new iCloud implementation can't come quickly enough.
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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.
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Will we have the normal teething issues whilst Apple Users do Apples research and development for nothing. Apples track record indicates we will be abandoned in 18 months time when a revised scheme breaks.

Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.

I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.
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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.

The fact this includes iDevices while Mac and me obviously didn't (couldn't)- essentially proves they will. Not to mention all their data servers. You can see they have spent billions on this for the long run.

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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.
Photo streams were an improvement IMO.
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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.
That's hard to imagine, seeing all the the new and planned data centers Apple has coming online/being planned.
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Will we have the normal teething issues whilst Apple Users do Apples research and development for nothing. Apples track record indicates we will be abandoned in 18 months time when a revised scheme breaks.

Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.

I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.
When you finally jump ship I am pretty sure you will discover that the 'other companies' are not exactly stellar in those regards. Let us know how you go.
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Photo streams were an improvement IMO.
But you couldn't share with everyone with any browser like before and that was the big loss for me. Everyone I know doesn't have a mac to the newest is so it didn't work well. The gallery was a web page which worked for all.
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While those prices are cheaper than before, they aren't cheap. I think that at least 20GB should be free. Then $1 a month for 50GB.

These numbers don't seem as big as they did just a few years ago.
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While those prices are cheaper than before, they aren't cheap. I think that at least 20GB should be free. Then $1 a month for 50GB.

These numbers don't seem as big as they did just a few years ago.

 

I agree....I think the standard free amount is a kick in a nuts to consumers. 20 GB should be the standard and you purchase from there. 

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No more evil Dropbox for me!!! Condoleeza Rice and that lying a-hole Dropbox CEO can go mess with other people's data.
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Any word on if this can work for small business were BYO employees arrive with their own Apple ID on their phone/iPad? I'd want to end their access privilidges when they leave
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Photo streams were an improvement IMO.
But you couldn't share with everyone with any browser like before and that was the big loss for me. Everyone I know doesn't have a mac to the newest is so it didn't work well. The gallery was a web page which worked for all.

I'm curious - who couldn't you share with?  PhotoStreams for other OSX or iOS users, Public Website for 'non' (or, I think, jail-broken Apple users), if I'm remembering correctly, but it's been awhile since I did one.

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I'm curious - who couldn't you share with?  PhotoStreams for other OSX or iOS users, Public Website for 'non' (or, I think, jail-broken Apple users), if I'm remembering correctly, but it's been awhile since I did one.
With stream, my parents couldn't see it because they have an old OS and my other family couldn't see it on windoze because they had to download apple software and they didn't want to do that. With old gallery, they just went to your gallery webpage and it was all there.
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With stream, my parents couldn't see it because they have an old OS and my other family couldn't see it on windoze because they had to download apple software and they didn't want to do that. With old gallery, they just went to your gallery webpage and it was all there.

 

Simple...buy new Macs and toss the PC in the trash! :) Problem solved!

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Hiitchhyker knows as little about Ford as he does about Apple.
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The article states that starting from the free option, an upgrade costing "$20 per year adds just 10 gigabytes of additional space", but the chart shows a total of 10 GB; i.e., an additional 5 GB.

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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.

That is one area that still needs work. They should bring back the homepage of old and use it as a launch point for all web accessible galleries etc.

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While those prices are cheaper than before, they aren't cheap. I think that at least 20GB should be free. Then $1 a month for 50GB.

These numbers don't seem as big as they did just a few years ago.

Still too expensive. Apple has billions of dollars in the bank, everyone should get 1TB for free. And iPhone and iPad costs should be cut in half. Plus if you buy two iPhones or iPads you should get a free one. Apple can afford it

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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.

You can share a website link still for anyone to go to and view and make comments.
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Still too expensive. Apple has billions of dollars in the bank, everyone should get 1TB for free. And iPhone and iPad costs should be cut in half. Plus if you buy two iPhones or iPads you should get a free one. Apple can afford it

For every purchase (of anything, including iTunes) you make directly from Apple, you should get 1 point. After 12 points you get one free share of AAPL.


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Hiitchhyker knows as little about Ford as he does about Apple.

 

The threshold for creating a new account and posting drivel is amazingly low.

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With stream, my parents couldn't see it because they have an old OS and my other family couldn't see it on windoze because they had to download apple software. 

No they didn't.

You can share a link and they can open it on any browser or device (including Android).

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For every purchase (of anything, including iTunes) you make directly from Apple, you should get 1 point. After 12 points you get one free share of AAPL.

So for every twelve 69¢ tracks I buy I should get a share of AAPL stock worth over $92? 1confused.gif

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While those prices are cheaper than before, they aren't cheap. I think that at least 20GB should be free. Then $1 a month for 50GB.

These numbers don't seem as big as they did just a few years ago.
Most definitely, however it's progress, they are ahead of Dropbox now yet are still behind google(which might be worth it). Don't see why 20 gb free and 50 gb for $10 a year should not be something soon.
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So for every twelve 69¢ tracks I buy I should get a share of AAPL stock worth over $92? 1confused.gif

Quite a bargain, yes?

 

Sorry. I thought the /s was assumed (along the lines of charlituna's response to melgross in that Apple has so much money, everything should be dirt cheap and practically given away!)

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It's early for me and I've only had one cup of coffee, so I might be wrong, but the article has Google Drive at this:  "That same $100 per year would buy twice the space -- 100 gigabytes -- from Dropbox or Box.com and a whopping 10 terabytes from Google Drive". .... but the graph says this :  1TB for 119.88. Coloured me confused.  :\ 

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Will we have the normal teething issues whilst Apple Users do Apples research and development for nothing. Apples track record indicates we will be abandoned in 18 months time when a revised scheme breaks.

Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.

I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.

 

Love how entitled, whiny, agenda-driven trolls like you will hang a noose around Apple's head forever for the fact that they decided to revamp .mac to iCloud, which is now infinitely better than .mac could ever have been. Apple's "research and development for nothing"? How the **** do you figure? Companies like Google launch and drop products everyday.

 

You're an incredibly silly, petty person if you think there's any chance at all that Apple will "drop" iCloud, which is now deeply engrained in pretty much every single device and app they have. You seem unable to grasp the fact that in the technology industry, you sometimes need to go and completely restructure something to make it better. MobileMe was always a mess, iCloud is a transition that needed to happen, and Apple has done nothing but continue to expand, invest in, and improve the ultra-ambitious service since it launched. You're so blinded by your irrational rage that you want to pretend that Apple will just suddenly drop iCloud someday, and make every single one of their devices useless - because they had to audacity to rebuild their cloud services several years ago out of necessity. Are you really pining for the days of MobileMe, and butthurt by the fact that its gone? Amazing. 

 

By the way, SJ is the one behind the iCloud transition, he's the one that launched it, so the "Apple has lost it's way" comment from you is hilarious. There's not a SHRED of evidence Apple will "abandon" in 18 months, as you childishly fantasize- Apple has done nothing but build on iCloud and integrate it even deeper into every single aspect of their business. You'd have to be insane to think thats the case. Also, in contrast to your assertion, this past WWDC has shown in no uncertain terms that Apple listens to feedback, and are always willing to change and revise their policies. But I guess you're hateful because Apple won't come to your fucking house and ask YOU how to run their company. "Apple has lost its way"- which is why this past WWDC was considered by developers and observers as the best in their history? Which "way" should Apple be heading? You have no clue- but those words are easy to spout by unimaginative, intellectually lazy people who haven't created a thing in their lives. And comparing Apple to Ford is such a  odd statement, as Ford has made a massive comeback the last few years after being on the verge of bankruptcy. What a silly, sad little troll you are. 

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But you couldn't share with everyone with any browser like before and that was the big loss for me. Everyone I know doesn't have a mac to the newest is so it didn't work well. The gallery was a web page which worked for all.

 

Because whining and bitching on a message-board is way easier than the ONE CLICK it takes to turn a photo-stream into a public website accessible from anywhere. Amazing.  


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Quite a bargain, yes?

Sorry. I thought the /s was assumed (along the lines of charlituna's response to melgross in that Apple has so much money, everything should be dirt cheap and practically given away!)

Ah, I hadn't read the rest of the thread.

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It's early for me and I've only had one cup of coffee, so I might be wrong, but the article has Google Drive at this:  "That same $100 per year would buy twice the space -- 100 gigabytes -- from Dropbox or Box.com and a whopping 10 terabytes from Google Drive". .... but the graph says this :  1TB for 119.88. Coloured me confused.  1hmm.gif  

It's 1 TiB for $9.99 per month or $119.88 per year. 10 TiB is $99.99 per month or $1199.88 per year.

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Quite a bargain, yes?

 

Sorry. I thought the /s was assumed (along the lines of charlituna's response to melgross in that Apple has so much money, everything should be dirt cheap and practically given away!)

 

You know, it's getting VERY difficult to tell what is /s and what is not /s anymore (not that it was easy before, really).

 

I was going to say that with the purchase of every new iPhone you should get 1TB of storage and a new iMac.  Then I was worried that people would think that I was serious. :)

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The new pricing seems like a good deal to me, I'll be getting the 200gb which should be more than enough to store my photos and a few files. The fact that iTunes purchases don't count against this is a huge plus. I hate though that I still can't tag photos for easy searching, particularly since Apple made such a big deal out of tags for Mavericks.

The .99$ entry point is very non threatening to consumers. Since Apple is always looking far down the road (100-200 years according to Cue), it makes sense that they want to start getting people used to paying for services so they can gradually expand market share into lower margin markets without sacrificing revenue.

Edit: I think expanding into lower markets is Apple's goal, although they need to do it safely, meaning not sacrificing their hold on the high end of the market and/or weakening the company (e.g. diminishing the brand, or profitability). My fantasy is that eventually the only people left using android are going to be a small minority of Chinese peasant farmers and Apple hating techies (no offense to Chinese peasant farmers).
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So, iDisk is back.  About time.

 

Of course, they're idiots for killing it in the first place, and I'm probably not going to use it, I've already got other solutions in place at this point.

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But you couldn't share with everyone with any browser like before and that was the big loss for me. Everyone I know doesn't have a mac to the newest is so it didn't work well. The gallery was a web page which worked for all.

In case the other replies didn't clue you in, that feature is still available and always has been. On the iPad, tap "People" in your shared Photostream. Scroll down and turn on "Public Website" and it'll give you a URL to send to people. It works similar on Mac, but the UI is a little different.

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Love how entitled, whiny, agenda-driven trolls like you will hang a noose around Apple's head forever for the fact that they decided to revamp .mac to iCloud, which is now infinitely better than .mac could ever have been. Apple's "research and development for nothing"? How the **** do you figure? Companies like Google launch and drop products everyday.

You're an incredibly silly, petty person if you think there's any chance at all that Apple will "drop" iCloud, which is now deeply engrained in pretty much every single device and app they have. You seem unable to grasp the fact that in the technology industry, you sometimes need to go and completely restructure something to make it better. MobileMe was always a mess, iCloud is a transition that needed to happen, and Apple has done nothing but continue to expand, invest in, and improve the ultra-ambitious service since it launched. You're so blinded by your irrational rage that you want to pretend that Apple will just suddenly drop iCloud someday, and make every single one of their devices useless - because they had to audacity to rebuild their cloud services several years ago out of necessity. Are you really pining for the days of MobileMe, and butthurt by the fact that its gone? Amazing. 

By the way, SJ is the one behind the iCloud transition, he's the one that launched it, so the "Apple has lost it's way" comment from you is hilarious. There's nothing that suggests you will be "abandoned" in 18 months, as you childishly fantasize. Also, in contrast to your assertion, this past WWDC has shown in no uncertain terms that Apple listens to feedback, and are always willing to change and revise their policies. But I guess you're butthurt because Apple won't come to your fucking house and as YOU how to run their company. "Apple has lost its way"- which is why this past WWDC was considered by developers and observers as the best in their history. Which "way" should Apple be heading? You have no clue- but those words are easy to spout by unimaginative, intellectually lazy people like you who haven't created a thing in their lives. And comparing Apple to Ford is such a  odd statement, as Ford has made a massive comeback the last few years after being on the verge of bankruptcy. What a silly, sad little troll you are. 

Because whining and bitching on a message-board is way easier than the ONE CLICK it takes to turn a photo-stream into a public website accessible from anywhere. Amazing.  

Great response to these ridiculous trolls. Thanks.

   

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 And comparing Apple to Ford is such a  odd statement, as Ford has made a massive comeback the last few years after being on the verge of bankruptcy. What a silly, sad little troll you are. 

 

Because whining and bitching on a message-board is way easier than the ONE CLICK it takes to turn a photo-stream into a public website accessible from anywhere. Amazing.  

 

But ... but ... but ... Ford's a TOTAL failure!

 

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