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I think 20GB will be plenty for me for a year or three... by which time prices will drop further.

99 cents it is!

And of course you're getting more than just storage, with all of these options to one degree or another, you're getting services that go with it.

I also like that Apple has added APIs to make Dropbox and Google Drive better if they chose to use them.
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So, iDisk is back.  About time.

Of course, they're idiots for killing it in the first place, and I'm probably not going to use it, I've already got other solutions in place at this point.

Thankfully iDisk is not back. That was an archaic design left to rot for far too long. If you had a large file to be up or downloaded to or from iDisk the entire file had to be complete before you disconnect or you'd have to restart the process again the next time you connect. If you made a single change to, say, a cell in a 100 MiB spreadsheet the entire file had to be uploaded again. And it didn't have any cryptography so all these files were sent as cleartext through most of its history.

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Ah, I hadn't read the rest of the thread.
It's 1 TiB for $9.99 per month or $119.88 per year. 10 TiB is $99.99 per month or $1199.88 per year.
 

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Great response to these ridiculous trolls. Thanks.

 

If the mods had sense people like this would be banned right away so we can be spared future bullshit. If someone registers and his first post is a general proclamation of "Apple has lost it's way and is now like Ford", "following instead of leading, etc" while including ridiculous assertions not based on any kind of fact, we know everything we need to know about the kinds of posts going forward- it leaves little room for any potential of constructive discussion. Getting rid of these people quickly would go along way into clearing rubbish. 

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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.


Theres no way in hell apple is abandoning iCloud.  It is key to the integration of there devices in the future.  Apple has invested multiple billions in data centers maiden nc, prineville oregon, reno nevada, california, and now the new one in the netherlands, and more in the future.  you don't make that kind of investment and just drop it.

iCloud is here to stay.

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So, iDisk is back.  About time.

 

Of course, they're idiots for killing it in the first place, and I'm probably not going to use it, I've already got other solutions in place at this point.

 

Thanks for keeping up up to date about new features you don't intend to use. Looking forward to hearing more. 

 

And no, "iDisk isn't back". iCloud drive is insanely more powerful and robust, and isn't just an online hard drive for files like iDisk was. Apple's vision was much grander than that for iCloud. I would expect someone of your intellectual fortitude, (in a position to classify the people who work at Apple as "idiots"), to be able to make such a distinction, but apparently not. 

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Theres no way in hell apple is abandoning iCloud.  It is key to the integration of there devices in the future.  Apple has invested multiple billions in data centers maiden nc, prineville oregon, reno nevada, california, and now the new one in the netherlands, and more in the future.  you don't make that kind of investment and just drop it.
iCloud is here to stay.

It's odd to read that Apple abandoned those services when what they really did was rebrand them, give them a new veneer and fix major flaws that made them comparatively poor services which is why they needed a rebranding in the first place. iCloud has been a huge success but I don't think many people realize just how much of their data is seamless and invisibly synced via iCloud.

There is still a long ways to go with iCloud but as a free service that unifies Apple's platforms it's great. The things I'd like to see improved are 1) it's server-side email spam filtering (Gmail kicks ass here), 2) more server-side email functions (like Rules), and 3) more settings on iCloud.com (as noted by the recent iMessage debacle that wouldn't necessarily disconnect an iPhone number as an address if you logged out and wiped an iPhone).



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post #48 of 186
Hello everyone! Long time reader, first time commenter. I'm fairly new to Apple in general (first device was an iPhone 5), so excuse my basic questions. I'm curious, will Apple completely do away with in-device storage in the near future or is iCloud only a backup? I currently don't have much use for iCloud but I want to get to know it, so to speak, if I'll be using it regular some day.
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If the mods had sense people like this would be banned right away so we can be spared future bullshit. If someone registers and his first post is a general proclamation of "Apple has lost it's way and is now like Ford", "following instead of leading, etc" while including ridiculous assertions not based on any kind of fact, we know everything we need to know about the kinds of posts going forward- it leaves little room for any potential of constructive discussion. Getting rid of these people quickly would go along way into clearing rubbish. 

 

I agree. There's a big difference between criticism/argument and trolling, and it's usually glaringly obvious which is which. For instance a particularly prolific troll that has probably racked up over 100 posts simply by entering every thread with an "apple is stupid for buying beats" post. It definitely seems like there could be more done about this issue.

   

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Most definitely, however it's progress, they are ahead of Dropbox now yet are still behind google(which might be worth it). Don't see why 20 gb free and 50 gb for $10 a year should not be something soon.

Exactly. And google does their typical "give it away" and profit loss crap jus to gain market share- just like they did with Google Mail which is now one of the most expensive email services out there.

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Apple has made a few pivots on its way to the cloud future, and the story of them "figuring it all out" is not that unusual. For one thing, the world was changing rapidly: Internet was getting faster and cheaper, home WiFi was on the rise, and these were necessary pieces to make cloud computing everywhere work the way it should. But before the iPhone, there still wasn't a compelling reason for most people to put their data in the cloud; the only people who did and paid for services like MobileMe (and .mac before it) were people who needed to sync files between computers. And that wasn't a universal need back then.

 

The iPhone (and smartphones that followed) seems to be the catalyst that gave people a reason to share data across devices. But not immediately. It may seem strange someday, but the original iPhone didn't even present itself as cloud connected--the MobileMe apps were added to iOS later. At its introduction, Apple treated the iPhone like a kind of iPod (an iPod with a music player). And you'll recall that when iPod launched, it was part of Apple's "you computer is the hub of your digital life" strategy. In the early 2000s, Apple saw all kind of devices "going digital" -- film cameras were being replaced by digital ones, videotapes were going digital, music was jumping off CDs and into these crappy little memory card players (anyone know what a Diamond Rio was?). Apple was trying to reinvigorate the Mac around being the best hub that you would plug all these devices into.

 

So for those historical reasons, MobileMe (and .mac) was never deeply integrated into either Mac OS X and early iOS. It was an add-on. But not for a lack of vision; Steve Jobs understood cloud computing, as did others. At WWDC'97, Jobs talked about being able to login from anywhere and seeing all his data and how that was the future. But if you think about it: we first had to get to a "digital life," before we could put it all into the cloud.

 

With the introduction of iCloud, Apple paved the way for deep integration between OS X, iOS and cloud services. iCloud was missing a lot at its introduction, but from the announcements at WWDC'14, it's clear that iCloud integration will continue over several years; Apple is taking its time. But it's pretty clear where this is headed: someday, it will be perfectly normal to view iCloud (or some cloud vendor) as the hub of your digital (and online) life. And there's plenty of competition for that (SkyDrive, Google Drive, DropBox). I think Apple understands this is the long game in making sure their products are still unique and compelling 10-20 years from now. Being price competitive on cloud storage is the first step, because there is nothing special about a gigabyte of Apple-branded commodity cloud storage space.

 

And I sincerely hope (and believe) that Craig Federighi and his team of dreamers don't stop at putting a WebDAV interface back on iCloud and becoming another DropBox or SkyDrive…or MobileMe. That's where Apple was already. We need the cloud to evolve beyond that.

 

EDIT: Added link to the referenced WWDC'97 video


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It's odd to read that Apple abandoned those services when what they really did was rebrand them, give them a new veneer and fix major flaws that made them comparatively poor services which is why they needed a rebranding in the first place. iCloud has been a huge success but I don't think many people realize just how much of their data is seamless and invisibly synced via iCloud.

There is still a long ways to go with iCloud but as a free service that unifies Apple's platforms it's great. The things I'd like to see improved are 1) it's server-side email spam filtering (Gmail kicks ass here), 2) more server-side email functions (like Rules), and 3) more settings on iCloud.com (as noted by the recent iMessage debacle that wouldn't necessarily disconnect an iPhone number as an address if you logged out and wiped an iPhone).


 

But according to the wringing concern-troll in this thread, Apple might just suddenly decide to "abandon" iCloud and drop all these services. This doesnt even include the new services unveiled @ WWDC. How someone is UNABLE to understand that Apple had to re-engineer its cloud services with a new vision after the advent of iOS devices blows my mind. .Mac and mobile were services that existed long before the existence of the iPhone- and don't have a shred of the functionality of iCloud. 


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There is still a long ways to go with iCloud but as a free service that unifies Apple's platforms it's great. The things I'd like to see improved are 1) it's server-side email spam filtering (Gmail kicks ass here), 2) more server-side email functions (like Rules), and 3) more settings on iCloud.com (as noted by the recent iMessage debacle that wouldn't necessarily disconnect an iPhone number as an address if you logged out and wiped an iPhone).

 

I agree that with regards to web-based services, Apple needs to step up their game so that a majority of users aren't left wanting to use alternative services because of key features. iCloud services should be that good on their own merits, rather than relying solely on "it's conveniently integrated with Apple hardware" as the primary reason for choosing Apple's services.

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post #54 of 186
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But according to the wringing concern-troll in this thread, Apple might just suddenly decide to "abandon" iCloud and drop all these services. How someone is UNABLE to understand that Apple had to re-engineer its cloud services with a new vision after the advent of iOS devices blows my mind. .Mac and mobile were services that existed long before the existence of the iPhone- and don't have a shred of the functionality of iCloud. 

The same can be said for iTunes but that app has scaled to deal with many changes from replacing Java for HTML/CSS/JS to supporting to iOS-based devices where you can, among other things, use a traditional PC to organize your home screens.

I think these other services had to die because they were tainted. Atypical for Apple but we've seen MS and others rebrand the same thing many times, which is unfair because iCloud is so far beyond .Mac yet people still clamor for it's inferior features and "journalists" still say Apple has no cloud presence despite the iTS/App Store and iCloud probably pulling more data, users, and money than any other company in the world, and if not they are probably right near the top in all categories.
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I agree that with regards to web-based services, Apple needs to step up their game so that a majority of users aren't left wanting to use alternative services because of key features. iCloud services should be that good on their own merits, rather than relying solely on "it's conveniently integrated with Apple hardware" as the primary reason for choosing Apple's services.

I can get behind that. I'd love to see maps.apple.com go live instead of pushing you to Google when there is a query added as is the case with shared Maps links from Mac OS X and iOS.

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I can get behind that. I'd love to see maps.apple.com go live instead of pushing you to Google when there is a query added as is the case with shared Maps links from Mac OS X and iOS.

 

Yeah, having a web-based maps would be great. I can see why Apple is hesitant to do that until it reaches a certain level of quality/functionality, because it will get scrutiny from EVERYONE, not just people with iOS devices/Macs. 

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No more evil Dropbox for me!!! Condoleeza Rice and that lying a-hole Dropbox CEO can go mess with other people's data.

I hope you realize that ANY company would have to comply with a court order to provide your information to an "alphabet soup" government agency upon request. Dropbox is not unique in that respect.

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post #58 of 186
I wonder if we'll see a storage price war?

With Apple introducing Extensibility it's now possible for someone like Dropbox or Google to make their files open in any App. You'd just get the equivalent of a "File/Open" dialog box where you can browse files. I bet they're already thinking about it. Basically Apple has made it possible for any App to open any files on your device as well as any competing cloud service.


To take it even further, an App could set aside storage on your device to store files, and make those files available to all Apps. Sort of like a drive partition for your commonly used files that's outside of the normal sandboxes of storage each App gets.
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I will final get to use this like my old dot Mac file storage .

 
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I agree that with regards to web-based services, Apple needs to step up their game so that a majority of users aren't left wanting to use alternative services because of key features. iCloud services should be that good on their own merits, rather than relying solely on "it's conveniently integrated with Apple hardware" as the primary reason for choosing Apple's services.

I would like to see iCloud services being offered to everyone, regardless if they own a Mac or not. I'm actually a very big fan of web apps and fully believe it is the future. I know I will get critism for this but I have a ChromeBox in my bedroom connected to the TV. It's my bedroom entertainment system, I have 100's of ripped BlueRays available through Google Drive and OneDrive, which doesn't require a download to watch them as Google Drive and OneDrive offer direct streaming from their web interfaces. Even going so far as converting videos that have incompatible codecs on the fly. I play my music using Spotify, watch TV with Zattoo in which every Swiss Channel is available in HD and it even looks better than my cable. I can look at all of my photos using OneDrives unbelievablly awesome photoviewer, as every time I take a picture with my Nokia 1020 the photo or video is automatically backed up to it, as well as the RAW photos. The list of great web apps are now in the hundreds if not thousands. Say what you will about Google but they have a very large leap over Apple in this area, one way the Apple can convert Google users is by offering their services to them. I would also love to see an Apple ChromeBook equivalent, which I don't think I have to wait to long.
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post #61 of 186
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Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.

I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.

I'm also a long Apple user (the IIci was my first Mac) and I've never seen them listen to their customers more than they are now.

As for the Ford comparison.. Idk, are you smoking something we should know about?
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This will finally solve my photo library problems, and for that I will purchase at least 200GB. Dropbox is (truly) great, but can't handle iPhoto libraries, which means I can't keep my desktop, laptop (let alone iOS devices) synced (and thus back-ups all need to be looked after). I may keep DropBox (but just reduced from 200GB to 100GB), since I use it to share with some "non Mac" friends. As far as I'm concerned the new iCloud implementation can't come quickly enough.

I run iPhoto library in my dropbox with 3 computers attached.  I've had no issues.  Can you let me know what problems you've had?

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I hope you realize that ANY company would have to comply with a court order to provide your information to an "alphabet soup" government agency upon request. Dropbox is not unique in that respect.

 

Not every company is eager to add PURE EVIL like Condoleeza Rice, who lied and orchestrated a war that killed millions of people, to their board of directors. And Apple has started fighting all these warrantless search orders in court. And how many times has Dropbox management lied about security and break-ins? Too many to count.

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The service we get from both companies in the UK is not what you get in the USA.  A now retired Ford employee of 50 years.

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I would like to see iCloud services being offered to everyone, regardless if they own a Mac or not.

iCloud is offered to anyone without a Mac (or iOS-based device, which you oddly omit). What Apple doesn't do is build a shitload of services for Android, BB OS, WinPh, Titzen, Windows, desktop Linux distros or any other OS which you're nuts to suggest they should do when they don't offer advertising which would make these a loss for the company in every conceivable way.

And while that idea is crazy, it's not as crazy as you saying Apple should give you a Lightning to Micro-USB adapter so you can power an external HDD from some other vendor.

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This will finally solve my photo library problems, and for that I will purchase at least 200GB. Dropbox is (truly) great, but can't handle iPhoto libraries, which means I can't keep my desktop, laptop (let alone iOS devices) synced (and thus back-ups all need to be looked after). I may keep DropBox (but just reduced from 200GB to 100GB), since I use it to share with some "non Mac" friends. As far as I'm concerned the new iCloud implementation can't come quickly enough.

Yahoo's Flickr will give you 1000 Gigabytes of FREE photo and video storage. Yep!

 

The predominant data usage for me is images. I would guess that I have about twenty gigabytes of text files. I've got at least sixty gigabytes of movies and TV shows, very few of which I really want to keep permanently. If I were a professional photographer or movie maker I could understand why so much storage would be needed. My little one man marketing business requires images for products but they don't need to be kept forever. The text documents may be numerous but text files don't take up much space. My total storage for three computers and external hard drives is less than 375 GB. With a bit of work I could pare that down to under 75 GB if I got rid of things that aren't necessary for work and only kept family photos. 

 

Are computer storage devices the new "Storage Units" for data the way people who keep too much crap must rent storage units away from their homes? 

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My big wish is to be able to use iCloud Mail with my own domain (s). I 'd gladly pay extra for that.

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My big wish is to be able to use iCloud Mail with my own domain (s). I 'd gladly pay extra for that.

I use Google Apps for Business for that. Personally, I wouldn't even consider using iCloud for that until they can make they server-side spam filter better. It's much better than .Mac and MobileMe days but it still has a long way to go before being Gmail class. Also, Apple's server-side mail settings offer so few features that are available with Google's service. IOW, I would hope Apple would resolve this longtime issues before working on a business-focused solution.

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Hopefully apple won't abandon this and us like they did with mac.com and me.com, both of which I put plenty of money into. I really missed my gallery for sharing photos and videos with family.

 

You can create beautiful galleries for sharing with iCloud Photo Streams, and they're free!

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Still too expensive. Apple has billions of dollars in the bank, everyone should get 1TB for free. And iPhone and iPad costs should be cut in half. Plus if you buy two iPhones or iPads you should get a free one. Apple can afford it

For every purchase (of anything, including iTunes) you make directly from Apple, you should get 1 point. After 12 points you get one free share of AAPL.

 

So you buy twelve tracks in iTunes for $12 and Apple gives you one share worth $92? Apple aren't Amazon, you know!

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It's early for me and I've only had one cup of coffee, so I might be wrong, but the article has Google Drive at this:  "That same $100 per year would buy twice the space -- 100 gigabytes -- from Dropbox or Box.com and a whopping 10 terabytes from Google Drive". .... but the graph says this :  1TB for 119.88. Coloured me confused.  :\ 

 

You look yellowy-green to me.

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Will we have the normal teething issues whilst Apple Users do Apples research and development for nothing. Apples track record indicates we will be abandoned in 18 months time when a revised scheme breaks.

Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.

I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.

 

Love how entitled, whiny, agenda-driven trolls like you will hang a noose around Apple's head forever for the fact that they decided to revamp .mac to iCloud, which is now infinitely better than .mac could ever have been. Apple's "research and development for nothing"? How the **** do you figure? Companies like Google launch and drop products everyday.

 

You're an incredibly silly, petty person if you think there's any chance at all that Apple will "drop" iCloud, which is now deeply engrained in pretty much every single device and app they have. You seem unable to grasp the fact that in the technology industry, you sometimes need to go and completely restructure something to make it better. MobileMe was always a mess, iCloud is a transition that needed to happen, and Apple has done nothing but continue to expand, invest in, and improve the ultra-ambitious service since it launched. You're so blinded by your irrational rage that you want to pretend that Apple will just suddenly drop iCloud someday, and make every single one of their devices useless - because they had to audacity to rebuild their cloud services several years ago out of necessity. Are you really pining for the days of MobileMe, and butthurt by the fact that its gone? Amazing. 

 

By the way, SJ is the one behind the iCloud transition, he's the one that launched it, so the "Apple has lost it's way" comment from you is hilarious. There's not a SHRED of evidence Apple will "abandon" in 18 months, as you childishly fantasize- Apple has done nothing but build on iCloud and integrate it even deeper into every single aspect of their business. You'd have to be insane to think thats the case. Also, in contrast to your assertion, this past WWDC has shown in no uncertain terms that Apple listens to feedback, and are always willing to change and revise their policies. But I guess you're hateful because Apple won't come to your fucking house and ask YOU how to run their company. "Apple has lost its way"- which is why this past WWDC was considered by developers and observers as the best in their history? Which "way" should Apple be heading? You have no clue- but those words are easy to spout by unimaginative, intellectually lazy people who haven't created a thing in their lives. And comparing Apple to Ford is such a  odd statement, as Ford has made a massive comeback the last few years after being on the verge of bankruptcy. What a silly, sad little troll you are. 

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But you couldn't share with everyone with any browser like before and that was the big loss for me. Everyone I know doesn't have a mac to the newest is so it didn't work well. The gallery was a web page which worked for all.

 

Because whining and bitching on a message-board is way easier than the ONE CLICK it takes to turn a photo-stream into a public website accessible from anywhere. Amazing.  

 

Great riposte! I think you and SolipsismX should challenge each other to write a post each in the style of the other, just for laughs. I don't think either of you could manage it. 

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Quite a bargain, yes?

 

Sorry. I thought the /s was assumed (along the lines of charlituna's response to melgross in that Apple has so much money, everything should be dirt cheap and practically given away!)

 

You know, it's getting VERY difficult to tell what is /s and what is not /s anymore (not that it was easy before, really).

 

I was going to say that with the purchase of every new iPhone you should get 1TB of storage and a new iMac.  Then I was worried that people would think that I was serious. :)

 

Your post made me laugh out loud! I also was thrown by ChrisCA's post - I thought he was being serious.

 

You should have posted your idea without the /s tag, just to see how people would have reacted! I'm enjoying it too much - I can see why people love trolling; I think some of them do it just because they enjoy the outraged reactions.

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Quite a bargain, yes?

 

Sorry. I thought the /s was assumed (along the lines of charlituna's response to melgross in that Apple has so much money, everything should be dirt cheap and practically given away!)

 

You know, it's getting VERY difficult to tell what is /s and what is not /s anymore (not that it was easy before, really).

 

I was going to say that with the purchase of every new iPhone you should get 1TB of storage and a new iMac.  Then I was worried that people would think that I was serious. :)

 

Well yes, to offer a new iMac with every new iPhone would be absurd. But being serious: I think Apple should offer every iPad Mini buyer a new Mac Pro, and every iPad Air buyer a Mac Pro with 4K Thunderbolt Display.

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iCloud is offered to anyone without a Mac (or iOS-based device, which you oddly omit). What Apple doesn't do is build a shitload of services for Android, BB OS, WinPh, Titzen, Windows, desktop Linux distros or any other OS which you're nuts to suggest they should do when they don't offer advertising which would make these a loss for the company in every conceivable way.

And while that idea is crazy, it's not as crazy as you saying Apple should give you a Lightning to Micro-USB adapter so you can power an external HDD from some other vendor.

First, it's to late, Apple is already giving away the mini USB adapter to their European customers and why is it crazy, cost them what, a buck. Second, I didn't mention the iPad because there are iOS apps available that cover Apples web services, also using an iPad for web apps is not the best experience. Your list of OS's was taken out of context from one of my posts about iTunes Radio, just because I enjoy computing on multiple platforms doesn't mean I am any less of an Apple geek, why people here take so much offense over others using an OS besides one from Apple is something I will never understand. Yes, Apple should offer their web services free of charge and to everyone for the same reason Microsoft and Google do it, exposure. It introduces new users to the Apple world, keeps current users from going to the competition and it's the future. The more people Apple can attract the better, even if it means offering free web apps for a period until such time their services are worthy enough for subscription or do you think Apple should just stick with it's current base of customers and leave it at that? Why are you so annoyed with me as this is not the first snide comment from you today, just curious.

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I would like to see iCloud services being offered to everyone, regardless if they own a Mac or not. I'm actually a very big fan of web apps and fully believe it is the future. I know I will get critism for this but I have a ChromeBox in my bedroom connected to the TV. It's my bedroom entertainment system, I have 100's of ripped BlueRays available through Google Drive and OneDrive, which doesn't require a download to watch them as Google Drive and OneDrive offer direct streaming from their web interfaces. Even going so far as converting videos that have incompatible codecs on the fly. I play my music using Spotify, watch TV with Zattoo in which every Swiss Channel is available in HD and it even looks better than my cable. I can look at all of my photos using OneDrives unbelievablly awesome photoviewer, as every time I take a picture with my Nokia 1020 the photo or video is automatically backed up to it, as well as the RAW photos. The list of great web apps are now in the hundreds if not thousands. Say what you will about Google but they have a very large leap over Apple in this area, one way the Apple can convert Google users is by offering their services to them. I would also love to see an Apple ChromeBook equivalent, which I don't think I have to wait to long.

There's nothing wrong with that vision of how cloud services "should" work. You just have to understand (you may not appreciate) that Apple is offering a competing vision that is currently quite centric to their hardware platforms. Because I don't care for Google or Microsoft's solutions, I am naturally partial to Apple's.

However, I'm glad that Google offers you what you want, and really, it's the market that will decide what the winning strategy is.

Regardless, I am not sure it is in Apple's cultural DNA to ever sell iCloud as a hardware- or platform-agnostic service. You might have convinced them to try that in the mid-1990s, but after the company was resurrected under Steve Jobs, Apple found its winning strategy in deeper integration. In fact, I would argue that Apple currently has no future selling standalone competing services: they can't out-Google Google (Maps, services), nor out-Microsoft Microsoft (licensing OS to clone makers). In the words of Steve Jobs, Apple has to remember how to be Apple, and do that better than anyone else. Apple should not try to be another company. Apple needs to turn "deep integration" into a winning strategy, and not let their competitors define how the market is won.

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Will we have the normal teething issues whilst Apple Users do Apples research and development for nothing. Apples track record indicates we will be abandoned in 18 months time when a revised scheme breaks.

Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.

I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.

 

Do you have anything other than a weak argument by analogy to support your claims? Will you retract it when you're proven wrong 18 months from now?

 

I thought so.

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My question is, with you now being able to Share your iTunes account with Family, will the additional iCloud plans cross over and everyone that shares the account be able to have access to all the storage?

And if so when you pool the accounts together can each account add their "free" 5 gigs to the total Space?
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Do you have anything other than a weak argument by analogy to support your claims? Will you retract it when you're proven wrong 18 months from now?

 

I thought so.

 

When the hell have you seen anyone on the internet retract anything? Especially anonymous internet trolls? The great (or not so great, for decent people) thing about the internet is no accountability. It's easy to spout all the shit you want when you know that even if you're wrong, it won't matter an iota. Look at Constable Odo- he's never retracted any of the thousands of posts he's made claiming that if Cook did not go Apple's stock would drop to the 200s. He keeps posting as if nothing has happened- and with the same rants. If I was him I'd be too embarrassed to post anymore, but some people have no shame. 

 

Also, didn't you know, car analogies are all that's need to present an argument these days. 

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I agree. There's a big difference between criticism/argument and trolling, and it's usually glaringly obvious which is which. For instance a particularly prolific troll that has probably racked up over 100 posts simply by entering every thread with an "apple is stupid for buying beats" post. It definitely seems like there could be more done about this issue.

Oh please- Slurpy thinks anything critical is trolling. Meanwhile he's like a pit bull troll- full of vulgarity and himself.If anyone should be banned it should be he for his constant bullying.

 
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