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Sony's $99 PlayStation TV set to battle Apple TV in U.S. and Canada this fall

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At a press event during the E3 gaming conference on Monday, Sony revealed plans to release the $99 PlayStation TV in the U.S. and Canada this fall, taking aim at set-top streaming devices like the Apple TV.


PlayStation TV announcement at E3 2014. | Source: PlayStation via YouTube


Sony already launched its PS4 go-along in Japan as the "Vita TV" last November, bringing mobile game titles and a limited assortment of streaming movies and music to the big screen. Rebadging the device as PlayStation TV, the company is relying on its gaming chops to expand its footprint in consumers' living rooms.

Unlike the Apple TV, PlayStation TV is heavily focused on gaming and will reportedly support 1,000 titles at launch. The device can handle select PS Vita, PSP and PlayStation One classics, while the upcoming PlayStation Now streaming service-- slated to enter open beta on July 31 -- is expected to grant access to PlayStation 3 games.

Finally, Sony's box is able to connect to PlayStation 4 consoles via Remote Play to extend the gaming experience onto other televisions in a household.

The PlayStation TV will have stiff competition in the stalwart Apple TV and newcomers like Amazon's Fire TV, the latter of which also sports built-in gaming support. Apple is rumored to be baking iOS game compatibility, as well as motion controls, into a future version of its device that could see release by the end of 2014.

Sony's PlayStation TV is expected to hit store shelves at $99 for a standalone unit or $139 for a bundle including a DualShock 3 controller, 8GB memory card, HDMI cable and voucher for a copy of "The Lego Movie" video game.
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Sony is the Samsung of gaming
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And then Apple releases the 4th gen Apple TV and makes this look like the garbage it is.

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Def. More impressive than amazons offering. "But specs!" You'll yell. Content is king, and amazon < sony.

That said- who gives an F? Give me the new Apple TV already!!!

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I don't get the negativity with the Playstation TV. I'm excited this will finally be released here in North America. I checked these out when I was in Japan and they are really cool. This is also great news for us PS Vita owners. I can't wait to check out Uncharted Golden Abyss on the big screen. The PS TV is a really good companion to the Playstation 4 as well. 

 

I'm excited to see what the next Apple TV brings, but being a big gamer, mobile gaming doesn't do much for me. You can't compare mobile gaming to consoles. Console games blow mobile gaming away. I think it's hard to compare this to an Apple TV. Playstation TV is for gaming. Apple TV is a great all in one device. Even if Apple adds support for gaming, the quality of console games is so much better then iOS games. 

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I'm really interested in this, and think an AppleTV is going to struggle to match it for gaming. Good work Sony.

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"the graphic quality of console games is so much better than iOS games"....

 

As for the quality of games themselves well... It depends. All I seem to see on the console front is FPS and AC installments, as well as some sports for good measure.


Me, I own a PS3. And like it a lot. I am by no means an "extreme" gamer. But I like gaming. I own all AC series games.

But I also use Rocksmith a lot. A "game" that I like very much.

 

All in all I think most of the games would play really well on an ATV with a newer processor (provided it doesn't heat like a pan).

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Seems more like it's going after the Amazon set-top game box. I assume people buy Apple TVs because they are into the Apple ecosystem. This has no answer to that.
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Breaking: Samsung announces the TV StationPlay to compete against Sony.

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If it were Apple doing something like this, the talking heads would be claiming how they're cannibalizing their higher-priced product line.  Of course, I don't know if that would be true or not.  I'm sure the Playstation TV won't be running Gran Turismo or any of their other high-end games.

 

Not that I think it's critical or anything but Apple really didn't do much over the last three years with AppleTV considering they could have had the device running iOS and at least some simple games that didn't involve a more powerful processor.  I don't know what $99 can buy in the way of A-series processors but it could be much.  Apple likely had too many other projects going and just keeping AppleTV updated was all they could do.  It seems as though Sony might have an edge in gaming but it all depends on what developers can do with the next iteration of AppleTV. Is it possible that the next version might be running iOS 8?  That would be huge if they could at least put an A7 processor in the next AppleTV.  Maybe Apple would only have to boost the price a bit to keep profit margins if they use an older processor.

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As an owner of PS3, it better have significantly improved UI to make it worthwhile. PS3 UI is an absolute nightmare to use.

If it hasn't changed much from the Japanese version, it would be a throughly disgusting UI.
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As an owner of PS3, it better have significantly improved UI to make it worthwhile. PS3 UI is an absolute nightmare to use.

If it hasn't changed much from the Japanese version, it would be a throughly disgusting UI.

Which part, the XMB?  I think that's pretty good actually.

 

Some of the store UI could be a lot better though, if that's what you mean.

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Apple should release a 4th generation Apple TV prior to Sony's release.
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You need two components in order to make a comparison.
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And then Apple releases the 4th gen Apple TV and makes this look like the garbage it is.
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Apple won't because they don't work that way. The new Apple TV is so much more than the device that serves the content. It is all about ecosystem and content, not CPU and features. Apple will have to step up and provide a new way of serving content or they'll miss the boat just like iTunes/Spotify.
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Apple should release a 4th generation Apple TV prior to Sony's release.
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I'm not a fan of fragmentation, but aside from that, if Sony have PS3 compatibility and great movie content, this could be a great offering. The drawback with Apple TV is the sparse content. It's like it's truly a hobby. I mean, come on, get on with it already! The Apple TV should be open for anyone to create streaming, free, paid channels on the AppleTV interactive titles with Apple standard bluetooth game controllers. All managed through an Apple TV channel- and app store.
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Well, I think Sony is playing defense against a nonexistent Apple Gaming device.  

I can't blame them when Apple is announcing enhancements like Metal for 3D Graphics acceleration.

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Which part, the XMB?  I think that's pretty good actually.

 

 

 

I agree. It is really simple. Left and Right for main options, Up and Down for sub-options, PS keys for actions. It can't get simpler than that.

And the PS3 home screen looks very nice at 1080p!

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Apple won't because they don't work that way. The new Apple TV is so much more than the device that serves the content. It is all about ecosystem and content, not CPU and features. Apple will have to step up and provide a new way of serving content or they'll miss the boat just like iTunes/Spotify.

 

No doubt that Apple's business model is based on the ecosystem.  Apple may or may not adjust the Apple TV business model following the Beats acquisition.  None of that suggests that Apple will not update the Apple TV hardware this summer, to improve performance and perhaps add support for 4K content and apps, including games.

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everyone cries specs, I say give me great games not specs. I'm an old school gamer (Atari 2600), and those old blocky games had better and more satisfying play than alot of the current games with movie like graphics. Ok, let the flames begin. 1smile.gif
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Def. More impressive than amazons offering. "But specs!" You'll yell. Content is king, and amazon < sony.

That said- who gives an F? Give me the new Apple TV already!!!

Agree. If I were still into gaming, I would be really excited about RemotePlay.

I do think this is going to wipe out Amazon's gaming push as well as make any future push by Apple to start gaming on the AppleTV more difficult.
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I would never buy Sony products! They are cheaply made and just stop working after a year and Sony does nothing to help the consumer
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I like the being able to pair with PS4, but I'll tell Sony this...you get the PS2 SOCOM games on there and I'll buy it just for that. Idiots refuse to render one of their games with the most rabid fans for some reason, to the point an entire new game company has started up just to bring back what games like SOCOM Combined Assault had.
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My guess is that Apple does indeed have gaming on the ATV in mind. I think that 'Metal' introduced at WWDC not only improves gaming graphics on iPhones and iPads but will be implemented on the Apple TV. Why not? Very similar hardware and operating system and I think you are actually pushing fewer pixels on the TV than you are on the iDevice.

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My guess is that Apple does indeed have gaming on the ATV in mind. I think that 'Metal' introduced at WWDC not only improves gaming graphics on iPhones and iPads but will be implemented on the Apple TV. Why not? Very similar hardware and operating system and I think you are actually pushing fewer pixels on the TV than you are on the iDevice.

I thought the same thing. When they announce the ATV, and if it has gaming- I'll bet the developers hear about an easy port with their existing games.

Of course, even an Apple die-hard like me is starting to wonder when they are going to release something. I was eagerly anticipating something in spring of 2013, then planning on something fall of 2013, then expecting something spring 2014. I don't know what verb I want to use anymore. It's getting ridiculous.

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Sony is much better than Samsung. At least they innovate.
 
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Never. Never. Never.

I was one of the early adopters of the PS3, back when it cost $600. I really liked it for a while, but then they started having frequent mandatory software updates that won't allow you to continue to use it as before until you have downloaded and installed the update. It's incredibly annoying to get home from work and think you have just barely enough time to see a movie before going to sleep, only to find that Sony has made other plans for your evening, involving 20+ minutes of software updating. For a while, this seemed to be happening every 4-6 weeks, but the pace has slowed lately.

One of these updates added a bunch of advertisements for downloadable software to the home page, and there seems to be no way to get rid of them. If Apple installed a bunch of ads on the desktop of my MacBook Pro after I'd owned it for a few years, I'd be livid, too.

Also, the thing stopped working after 1 1/2 years, and cost $160 to fix.

So no, I wouldn't go near this thing with a ten-foot pole.
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Sony is the Samsung of gaming

What?! Sony is the superior player this generation. How does that compare to Samsung?


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You need two components in order to make a comparison.

 

Why have you written this sentence?

 

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Sony is much better than Samsung. At least they innovate.

 

Is stealing every video game controller design you’ve ever made from Nintendo “innovating” now?

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Never. Never. Never.

I was one of the early adopters of the PS3, back when it cost $600. I really liked it for a while, but then they started having frequent mandatory software updates that won't allow you to continue to use it as before until you have downloaded and installed the update. It's incredibly annoying to get home from work and think you have just barely enough time to see a movie before going to sleep, only to find that Sony has made other plans for your evening, involving 20+ minutes of software updating. For a while, this seemed to be happening every 4-6 weeks, but the pace has slowed lately.

One of these updates added a bunch of advertisements for downloadable software to the home page, and there seems to be no way to get rid of them. If Apple installed a bunch of ads on the desktop of my MacBook Pro after I'd owned it for a few years, I'd be livid, too.

Also, the thing stopped working after 1 1/2 years, and cost $160 to fix.

So no, I wouldn't go near this thing with a ten-foot pole.
Most of the problem (eg 20+ minutes of updating) is not unique to the Playstation 3,4, Xbox360,XBone,Wii, WiiU, or 3DS.

What makes a console viable is mean time before failure (MTBF) Microsoft did the console industry a lot of harm with the terrible build quality of the Xbox 360, I'm quite honestly surprised that anyone would buy the XBone in the first 3 years if at all. Sony doesn't have quite the record on hardware defects, however repeated (needless) firmware updates along side the mechanical hard drives in both the XBOX 360 and the PS3 are the most likely point of failure. In fact the XBOX 360 S (I was waiting for a redesign before buying) died, despite being OFF at the time. The hard drive failed. Great. No more save games. Because Microsoft doesn't allow off-the-shelf drives to be used I'm not willing to fork out money to replace the drive either. I bought the Wii U instead, even though the previous Wii and GameCube consoles work just fine. Even my slim PS2 works fine.

Cloud saving should be a standard (free) feature, since clearly consoles have become so much less reliable. Which leads me to my next point. American internet is utter rubbish compared to Japan's. This Playstation Now streaming thing is going to fall flat on it's face in the US because gamers are going to balk at paying several dollars an hour in overage costs to play a game that isn't even for the current generation console. (The average 1080i television broadcast is 15-24mbps(5GB/hr), the average pirate version with poor video quality is 5Mbps, and is still about 1GB/hr.)
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The Apple TV will virtually be an iPod set-top box that will directly download Apple TV apps, and you will be able to play games with the game controllers that uses Apple's game controller API's. The next Apple TV will be an evolution of the 1st generation Apple TV that had a hard drive; but will instead have a solid state drive to have the capacity to download and play large games directly from the console.

 

Apple TV is obviously a streaming platform; but what will be key is a Video Podcast subscription based model for content that is similar to their News Stand model. It will just be a matter of economics that works for both content providers and subscribers, where subscribers can subscribe to a channel package similar to Direct TV, and be able to stream local television programming directly; where Apple will be a platform that will be a legal form of Aereo; but in this case Apple will have a license with the Broadcast Networks to stream their channels directly to Apple.

 

With iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, the integration of the Apple cloud ecosystem, the sharing of apps across 6 devices, the Apple TV will bring it all together beautifully in the living room. Apple is very active getting all of the licensing and AppTV UI SDK's into place, to make the Apple TV what it truly can be. When Steve Jobs said regarding TV that they cracked the code, I believe that everything that we are seeing now across the entire Apple platform and ecosystem, is the realization of what Steve said.

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Well you're right about one thing, American internet is garbage compared to Japan. I live in Yokosuka, Japan, and have So-net Nuro. 2 Gb/s beauty. Of course, that's theoretical, and I've never gone over 600 Mb/s, but it's still incredible compared to the Cox cable I had in San Diego.
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Why have you written this sentence?

 

Probably because you don't seen to understand it.  Apple has no significant play in the console space.  When they announce something, then you can compare it to Sony's offering.

 

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Is stealing every video game controller design you’ve ever made from Nintendo “innovating” now?

 

Sony do a lot more than make controllers, just like Apple do a lot more than make crappy headphones.  Why are you attempting to put a slur on Sony?  Just because they aren't Apple?  Steve Jobs was a big admirer of Sony.

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Probably because you don't seen to understand it.  Apple has no significant play in the console space.  When they announce something, then you can compare it to Sony's offering.

 

Still waiting for this to have relevance.

 
Sony do a lot more than make controllers

 

Never said otherwise.

 
…just like Apple do a lot more than make crappy headphones.

 

Did Apple steal its headphone designs from someone?

 
Why are you attempting to put a slur on Sony? 

 

I’m attempting nothing. I’m telling truth.

 
Steve Jobs was a big admirer of Sony.  

 

Good for him. I’m not.

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I'm a big metal gear fan and if this the only way to play mgs1 I'll consider it I didn't hear that the now service for only for ps3 . Sucks to need now service to play mgs4 then possibly this for mgs1 might just have to keep my ps3 up and running . I don't see how it could be a threat to Apple TV I use airplay a lot and would possibly buy this for gaming two very separate things .
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Is stealing every video game controller design you’ve ever made from Nintendo “innovating” now?

What controller design of Nintendo did Sony steal?
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Still waiting for this to have relevance.

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Never said otherwise.

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Did Apple steal its headphone designs from someone?

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I’m attempting nothing. I’m telling truth.

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Good for him. I’m not.

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People will buy it just to relive the old PS1 games. The Apple TV with games hasn't come to market, PSTV has been released in a minimal fashion so it is already outselling a product that may not exist. The longer that Apple leave it the worse it'll be. Personally I'll get the new Apple TV but will certainly consider the PSTV when it finally gets here depending on reviews.

 

I'm not sure it makes sense slagging off Sony just because they copied the button placement of the Nintendo system. Ergonomics is ergonomics. The design really is obvious. The same way that on a phone, the speaker is at 1 end and the microphone at the other. Did Apple copy Nokia just because the microphone is at the bottom of the phone and not something you slip in your shoe?

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Did Apple steal its headphone designs from someone?

 

Apart from being white I didn't see much originality in the original iPod headphones.

 

Can't be bothered to break down the rest of your post to tedious effect.  Sony have a product, Apple don't.  You calling Sony's product garbage on the basis that Apple will (despite no announcement, or even substantive rumour) release something better is like a parody of fanboyism.

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What controller design of Nintendo did Sony steal?

 

Everything since the 2nd revision of the original Playstation controller, if memory serves.

 

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Your posting style is annoying

 

Good for you.

 

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Sony have a product, Apple don't.

 

Been in a coma since ’07?

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