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Amazon halts preorders of Warner Bros. Blu-rays & DVDs in latest contract dispute

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Amazon has continued to refuse sales of certain products in its efforts to gain leverage in negotiations with content providers, this time blocking preorders of physical copies of popular upcoming releases from Warner Home Video, including blockbuster hits "The Lego Movie" and "300: Rise of an Empire."




As of Wednesday, Blu-ray and DVD copies of a number of Warner Bros. films cannot be preordered at Amazon's site, where users are invited to sign up for an email alert when the item becomes available. Digital copies of titles like "The Lego Movie," which is currently one of the top digital home releases in the U.S., remain available for purchase through the Amazon Instant Video service.

The lack of preorders have apparently been prompted by ongoing negotiations with Warner Bros., according to The New York Times, who revealed that Amazon has been declining preorders for Time Warner movies since mid-May.

The spotlight on Amazon's approach with Time Warner comes in the midst of the online retailer's high-profile negotiations with bookseller Hachette. Like in the Warner Bros. dispute, Amazon has been blocking preorders of popular titles from Hachette, but has also gone one step further and even delayed delivery of new purchases from the publisher. Similar tactics have been used by Amazon to gain leverage with Germany's Bonnier Media Group.

The Amazon-Hachette dispute has been under particular scrutiny as Amazon dominates the e-book market while competitors such as Apple are looking to gain ground. But Apple suffered a serious setback last year when it was successfully sued by the U.S. government for conspiring with book publishers to raise e-book prices. Apple has formally appealed the ruling.




Apple led the charge in convincing publishers to switch to a so-called "agency" pricing model. That prevented content owners from being able to sell the same titles at a lower price elsewhere, without offering the same price on Apple's iBooks platform -- a "most favored nations" clause.

In contrast, the e-book industry prior to the launch of the first iPad was under the "wholesale model" preferred by Amazon. In that model, resellers such as Amazon had the power to set prices, selling titles at or below cost if they chose to do so.

Like in the e-book market, Amazon and Apple also compete in sales of other digital content, including movies. Hit recent Warner Bros. titles including "The Lego Movie" and "300: Rise of an Empire" are also sold through Apple's iTunes Store without any issue, though Apple does not sell physical copies of media like Amazon.
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Amazon at work, fighting for the best price for the consumer!
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This is bad for consumers, certainly. As a Prime member, I love paying $100 a year so Amazon can tell me I can't order certain things at all.
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post #4 of 72
Everything but Amazon is awesome!

DOJ to investigate Apple. Amazon is just doing business.
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So Apple gets slapped around for trying to break open Amazon's monopoly. Now Amazon is using that monopoly to control market pricing and availability and the government looks the other way. Have I got it right?
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What's a Blu-ray?
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What happened to consumerism? You know where if the consumer thinks the price is too high, we don't buy it. Amazon is abusing their position, period. Why don't they spend their efforts inventing great stuff or looking at cutting their expenses and lowering their price margin. It's okay for them to do this but Apple is found guilty. Something stinks here!
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This is what happens when courts are not as impartial as they should be. Courts also need over site to be able to see the bigger picture. When the govt went after Apple could it have been because they could not get the tax they wanted. Now we see how that action is hurting the very people  the govt was supposedly protecting. Do you hear anything that the govt is looking into the Amazon practices? Only time will tell. Unbind Apple and you will see Amazon retract its actions when they have real competition again.

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People need to chill out, if the movie is seriously popular people will simply buy it elsewhere. Lot's of choices out there people, vote with your wallets and buy from another source.

 

Amazon will soon fall in line.

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"What's a Blu-ray?" -snailer

It's a media format for digital video distribution that doesn't suffer horrible visual artifacts (macro-blocking) from aggressive video compression.
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LOL, you guys are all forgetting an important item - Amazon doesn't make any money!! Apple is freaking loaded, while Amazon hasn't made money yet. This is why Apple gets slapped around and Amazon can do what it does.

From a NY Times article dated Oct 24, 2013...

"SAN FRANCISCO %u2014 Amazon%u2019s third quarter followed a familiar script: it sold vast quantities of things, lost money while doing so, and investors were delighted.

Revenue was $17.09 billion, the company said on Thursday, up 24 percent and about $400 million more than analysts predicted. But all that volume could not yield a profit. Amazon lost 9 cents a share, or $41 million, just as it had anticipated.

Investors broke out the Champagne. In after-hours trading, the stock was up $29, or 8 percent, to $361. The stock is up nearly tenfold since 2008.

Amazon is the subject of an increasingly bitter debate about whether all of its investing in warehouses and new ventures will ever lead to solid profits. The bulls think the company is building an unassailable position as the most important retailer in the country. The bears point to things like this week%u2019s increase in the free shipping minimum to $35 from $25 as signs that Amazon must one day focus on the bottom line.

The results will nevertheless raise expectations for the fourth quarter. Amazon said sales might rise as little as 10 percent or as much as 25 percent compared with the fourth quarter of 2012. And it warned it might once again lose money.

'Amazon is the teacher%u2019s pet of Wall Street,' said Sucharita Mulpuru, an analyst with Forrester Research. 'There is no other company in the entire world that has the consistently abominable rate of profitability they do and yet has the stratospheric valuation they do.'%u201D
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Monopolies exist only where force is initiated, either directly or by proxy, to create barriers to market entry. That the DOJ attacked Apple when attempting to enter a dominated market is but one example.
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Amazon has the best interest of the consumer at heart. But they act the role of the monopolist. Not too different from what Walmart does when they demand the lowest price in order to carry a product. There are two differences however. Walmart has effective competitors. Walmart doesn't give the impression that they want to be the only supplier.
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The publishers should all just pull out of Amazon. That way as an industry they can stick it to them. Amazon's tune will change very quickly.
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

This is bad for consumers, certainly. As a Prime member, I love paying $100 a year so Amazon can tell me I can't order certain things at all.

 

Perhaps a class action lawsuit is in order? 

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So Apple gets slapped around for trying to break open Amazon's monopoly. Now Amazon is using that monopoly to control market pricing and availability and the government looks the other way. Have I got it right?

Bromwich is working hard and getting paid like a prince to make sure nobody can get in Amazon's way.

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I agree with saarek. I dropped my Prime membership when Amazon raised the price. I did some analysis of prices (shipping and cost) and found that the Amazon increase would not save me money for the number of times I order from Amazon. I now buy locally if possible.
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

This is bad for consumers, certainly. As a Prime member, I love paying $100 a year so Amazon can tell me I can't order certain things at all.
there's nothing stopping you ordering it once it has been released. Just no ability to pre - order.
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"What's a Blu-ray?" -snailer

It's a media format for digital video distribution that doesn't suffer horrible visual artifacts (macro-blocking) from aggressive video compression.

Or it doesn't suffer from aggressive downrezzing due to "network congestion" or "can't play this title right now try again later or play a different title" errors. 1smile.gif

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Warner Brothers has an online store where they can sell their products so they should just tell Amazon to renew the current contract or stop selling Warner Brothers merchandise.

I get it is easier for people to do one-stop shopping, especially where remembering username and passwords are concerned, but does Warner Brothers really need Amazon? Is Amazon really needed to get a version that can be viewed on the Kindle, or can you sync any video to your kindle? Is "UltraViolet" the format used for syncing content between devices?
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What's a Blu-ray?

A Blu-ray is the media where you get optimum quality in image and sound. It usually comes with a free digital copy (UltraViolet) - sadly no longer iTunesfor the most part.
Seems Hollywood is not to fond of Apple's play on only one manufacturer's mantra.
 
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Warner Brothers has an online store where they can sell their products so they should just tell Amazon to renew the current contract or stop selling Warner Brothers merchandise.

I get it is easier for people to do one-stop shopping, especially where remembering username and passwords are concerned, but does Warner Brothers really need Amazon? Is Amazon really needed to get a version that can be viewed on the Kindle, or can you sync any video to your kindle? Is "UltraViolet" the format used for syncing content between devices?

UV is the format. and comes free with most new titles. UV plays on iOS, Google , Windows
 
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Amazon has the best interest of the consumer at heart. But they act the role of the monopolist. Not too different from what Walmart does when they demand the lowest price in order to carry a product. There are two differences however. Walmart has effective competitors. Walmart doesn't give the impression that they want to be the only supplier.

 

Well, macaholic_1948 wrote almost exactly what I was going to write, including the Walmart comparison!  Except I don't believe the first sentence. Not for a millisecond. Not with Walmart, not with Amazon. At least Walmart doesn't pretend to be uninterested in profit--they're somewhat more honest about their motives.


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The publishers should all just pull out of Amazon. That way as an industry they can stick it to them. Amazon's tune will change very quickly.

They do quite well from eBook sales despite all their whining.
Amazon has a great deal- buy the hard cover and get the digital for $1.99.

Apple should jet us upgrade to HD on oast movies for a nominal fee
 
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I can only hope you are being sarcastic. If not, your understanding of what is actually going on is quite limited.

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Wait... People still buy physical copies of movies? Is it still 1999? Who cares what Amazon is doing anyway?
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Wait... People still buy physical copies of movies? Is it still 1999? Who cares what Amazon is doing anyway?

 

No, it's 1996. And like South Park's ice man, we're buying CDs by "Ace of Base".   ROFL

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LOL, you guys are all forgetting an important item - Amazon doesn't make any money!! Apple is freaking loaded, while Amazon hasn't made money yet. This is why Apple gets slapped around and Amazon can do what it does.
 

 

 

Also so you know in the US selling products below cost is also illegal it is called predatory pricing. I know the whole lost leader thing, but when a companies pricing activities allows it to keep competitors out of the market it subject to anti-trust rules.

 

Not sure why the DOJ has not gone after Amazon if the below cost pricing activities. 

 

Anyway back to the store at hand. This appears to be the new method of negotiating in the media content space. I believe DirecTV was the first one to make their contract disputes public like this and pulling content from the consumer until a deal is struck. DirecTV would tell the users they were doing it for them and trying to keep content pricing down, in reality the bill keeps rising and they not saving consumers anything.

 

Most likely Amazon is going to agree to a higher price, thus allowing them to make more profits but in the same time they make consumers feel like they sticking up for them and the only reason the price when up was due to the content owner not willing to agree to a lower price. It is a win/win for Amazon and the content owners and lose for the consumer.

 

If you believe anything differently, the propaganda machine is working well on you.


Edited by Maestro64 - 6/11/14 at 8:16am
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If Apple could leverage h.265 to get 'blu-ray quality' files, even perhaps limited 4k titles, with all the subtitles and features and put Extras on the AppleTV and iPad they might be able to start the decline of the physical disk and knock Amazons trick down a few notches. Especially if they could make deals on that 4k that only they can have the files for like the first year.

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What's a Blu-ray?

Ray v2

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post #31 of 72

Boycott Amazon!

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This is what happens when the DOJ emboldens a monopolist to carry on business as usual.
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Originally Posted by snailer View Post
What's a Blu-ray?

 

A bag of hurt.

 

Originally Posted by pazuzu View Post
A Blu-ray is the media where you get optimum quality in image and sound.

 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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post #34 of 72
Something for everyone to keep in mind- warner is the head captain of the ultraviolet movement- and was the first studio to stop distributing iTunes movies with their Blu ray purchases- moving exclusively to ultraviolet.

Not taking sides here, but regarding Apple- any hit to WB is ok by me.


And regarding Blu rays- I buy disney movies through Disney movie club for $9/each. They contain 2 iTunes digital copies and a DVD. So umm- I'll keep doing that while y'all spend $20 for one iTunes movie. 1cool.gif

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is why people think you troll sometimes- you make a response specifically to get a reaction and bait.

He didn't say Blu-ray was better, worse, Less expensive, more expensive, more convenient, less convenient, etc.
He simply said optimum quality for sound and video- which can't be disputed. Regardless of if someone can or can't tell the difference is unconsequential- but what he said is still true. And I def. Prefer it for certain movies (not all)

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Amazon at work, fighting for the best price for the consumer!
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although stopping people waste their money the LEGO Movie is in the consumer interest :)

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Time's take on Amazon: http://t.co/qjWovuivcv
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I believe that the legal description of Amazon's behavior is Extortion.
But because they are not Apple, DOJ won't investigate or prosecute.
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People need to chill out, if the movie is seriously popular people will simply buy it elsewhere. Lot's of choices out there people, vote with your wallets and buy from another source.

 

Amazon will soon fall in line.

 

If you think the problem is that you can't order a movie, rather than the fact that a company is behaving badly, you have a frail grasp of the big picture of life and need to wake up.

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post #40 of 72
Next it will be Amazon delivering dud-parcel bombs to all those who cancelled their accounts or other @amazon via air-drone!
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