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As a European Union investigation into the tax arrangements of a number of multinational companies -- including Apple, Starbucks, and Fiat -- gets underway, Apple has issued a statement in which the iPhone maker categorically denied any wrongdoing.

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"Apple pays every euro of every tax that we owe," the company told Bloomberg. "We have received no selective treatment from Irish officials. Apple is subject to the same tax laws as scores of other international companies doing business in Ireland."

Together with the American coffee chain and Italian automaker, Apple is facing an investigation by the European Commission into whether the corporations' tax arrangements -- Apple's in Ireland, Starbucks's in the Netherlands, and Fiat's in Luxembourg -- comply with EU rules concerning state aid. According to the policy, tax agreements that selectively favor certain companies are incompatible with the "EU Single Market" and should not be allowed.

Wednesday's statement is similar to remarks made by Apple chief Tim Cook in advance of a hearing before the U.S. Senate last year. That hearing was called to investigate the process by which major U.S.-based corporations keep profits earned overseas offshore, avoiding the costly tax bill that would come with repatriation.

"I can tell you unequivocally," Cook said at the time, "Apple does not funnel its domestic profits overseas. We don't do that. We pay taxes on all the products we sell in the U.S., and we pay every dollar that we owe. And so I'd like to be really clear on that."
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I wish they wouldn't make carefully phrased, weaselly comments like this, it just makes then seem sleazy.

Of course they're dodging taxes, using legal means.
Of course they are exploiting conditions in Ireland that allow me to pay minimal tax due to the "controlling domicile" rule, even if other companies can also exploit that loophole.
And of course they can claim to not fund their domestic profits into tax havens, they do that to their much larger international profits.

The fact is that all this is legal, so the attempt to deflect just makes it look more like they have something to hide, whether they do or don't.

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I wish they wouldn't make carefully phrased, weaselly comments like this, it just makes then seem sleazy.

Of course they're dodging taxes, using legal means.
Of course they are exploiting conditions in Ireland that allow me to pay minimal tax due to the "controlling domicile" rule, even if other companies can also exploit that loophole.
And of course they can claim to not fund their domestic profits into tax havens, they do that to their much larger international profits.

The fact is that all this is legal, so the attempt to deflect just makes it look more like they have something to hide, whether they do or don't.

 

Of course they are NOT dodging taxing because they are using 100% (so far) legal means.

 

Of course Ireland offers great deals to companies using 100% legal means that many companies take advantage of.

 

It is sad the EU has so little control over fiscal policies of the member states all they can do is makeup laws that don't exist and cry about things while trying to lay the blame for their general incompetence at the feet of others.

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"Dodge" does not imply illegality. "Evade" is the word that implies illegality.

Dodging, or any other synonym for avoidance is exactly what Apple is doing.

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Hit 'em hard Apple, or they'll invade your offices and invent charges and fraudulent laws to extract money you do not owe.

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It is sad the EU has so little control over fiscal policies of the member states all they can do is makeup laws that don't exist and cry about things while trying to lay the blame for their general incompetence at the feet of others.
Cry me a river and give me strength, the EU is doing none of this! If they had intimate control of the tax policies of member states that would make it an entirely different institution, and it's got nothing to do with incompetence. They aren't making up laws, they aren't crying about anything and they aren't blaming anyone; they're holding an investigation.

But hey, companies can do no wrong and governments can do no right, right? Sheesh!

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I wish they wouldn't make carefully phrased, weaselly comments like this, it just makes then seem sleazy.

Of course they're dodging taxes, using legal means.
Of course they are exploiting conditions in Ireland that allow me to pay minimal tax due to the "controlling domicile" rule, even if other companies can also exploit that loophole.
And of course they can claim to not fund their domestic profits into tax havens, they do that to their much larger international profits.

The fact is that all this is legal, so the attempt to deflect just makes it look more like they have something to hide, whether they do or don't.

Why do you feel this way? Dodging taxes using legal means is not dodging taxes, it's paying the amount of taxes the law says they have to pay. What you're saying is analogous to saying the military is committing murder during war. International law says this is not murder as long as it's done following the rules. 

 

If the EU wants to change the rules then the EU can attempt to get all the countries in the EU to settle on new tax laws but until they do, Apple is not (as far as I know and from what Apple is saying) breaking the law. Follow the law and quit trying to say Apple dodging taxes. There are plenty of legitimate tax dodgers in the US and UK to fill plenty of jails, let the US and EU go after them.

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I wish they wouldn't make carefully phrased, weaselly comments like this, it just makes then seem sleazy.

Of course they're dodging taxes, using legal means.

 

To me, you're using carelessly phrased comments.  'Dodging' seems to imply illegal.  As others have noted, tax avoidance is different than tax evasion.

 

Minimizing their tax burden is fulfilling their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders.  Evading taxes would be illegal.  Apple's just stating they are doing the former and not the latter - that's all.

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"Dodge" does not imply illegality. "Evade" is the word that implies illegality.

Dodging, or any other synonym for avoidance is exactly what Apple is doing.

How can you 'Dodge' something you don't owe in the first place?  Dodge or evade imply the same intent.  Apple is not 'avoiding' taxes either they are simply structuring their business the way the various lawmakers have pushed them to do so to be efficient.  There is no difference between this 'financial' engineering and mechanical engineering, other than the laws are man-made rather than imposed by physics.

 

This is the fundamental problem with trying to do social engineering with taxes - unintended consequences.  These unintended consequence are then 'patched' with more complexity leading to additional unintended consequences.  High tax/ Low tax, either way, the system should be kept simple.  

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How can you 'Dodge' something you don't owe in the first place?
Err, what? When I ride the dodgem cars, I swerve to avoid something in my normal path, that's dodging. When I'm playing rugby I dodge a player trying to tackle me by changing my running path, that's dodging. I don't owe the other dodgem or rugby player anything. Apple are dodging taxes by structuring their company in a way that is viewing the tax authority as an opponent, and which doesn't represent true economic activity - their headquarters isn't really in Ireland, yet all their international profits are lodged there, and their European iTunes sales don't really occur in Luxembourg, but they are reported there.

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To me, you're using carelessly phrased comments.  'Dodging' seems to imply illegal.
I disagree, but I take the point that it could be ambiguous. But I think that reinforces my point that Apple are using language to try and "dodge" the issue, rather than facing it head on.
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If the EU wants to change the rules then the EU can attempt to get all the countries in the EU to settle on new tax laws <..>.

 

 

By "all", you mean "including the British" ?

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By "all", you mean "including the British" ?

All means all that's all all means.
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All means all that's all all means.

 

 

It's all right. You need to be non-american to understand what is a private joke, in this context ...

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Cry me a river and give me strength, the EU is doing none of this! If they had intimate control of the tax policies of member states that would make it an entirely different institution, and it's got nothing to do with incompetence. They aren't making up laws, they aren't crying about anything and they aren't blaming anyone; they're holding an investigation.

But hey, companies can do no wrong and governments can do no right, right? Sheesh!

Your logic escapes me. If you are saying that governments are -- in this instance, three EU member states -- doing the right thing, and Apple has paid every euro it owes to the government, what the heck is 'dodgy' or 'weasel-y' here?

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Government at every level has known about and condoned Apple and other companies repatriating their billions.

 

This investigation is just for public show.

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Cry me a river and give me strength, the EU is doing none of this! If they had intimate control of the tax policies of member states that would make it an entirely different institution, and it's got nothing to do with incompetence. They aren't making up laws, they aren't crying about anything and they aren't blaming anyone; they're holding an investigation.

But hey, companies can do no wrong and governments can do no right, right? Sheesh!

Of course the EU is crying over this trying to put the blame of their utter incompetence on the evil corporations. So they hold a public inquiry to show the "poor and down-trodden" they are trying to do good by their constituents. "See. It's not our incompetence that keeps the coffers dry, it is the evil companies not being moral"

The US did the same thing about 1-2 years back.

If the EU does not like how companies are using the laws THEY WROTE, change them. Grow a pair and stop crying his it's the evil corporations fault, accept blame and fix their messed up laws.
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i don't get anything nefarious or dodgy about apple's response at all.

they're just doing a little pre-emptive pr—before the msm & trolls pick it up and make this about apple being the bad guy.

apple's following the law if you have problems with that, change the law.

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Cry me a river and give me strength, the EU is doing none of this! If they had intimate control of the tax policies of member states that would make it an entirely different institution, and it's got nothing to do with incompetence. They aren't making up laws, they aren't crying about anything and they aren't blaming anyone; they're holding an investigation.

But hey, companies can do no wrong and governments can do no right, right? Sheesh!

Yeah you bet governments can do no right. All these politicians including the ones here at home mismanaging the taxpayers trust and then finding all kind of ways to whine and grab money from corporations and then do what? Mismanage it all over again. Pity the fool who thinks EU or Congress has their best interest at heart. I lost confidence in these jokers a longtime ago.
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Err, what? When I ride the dodgem cars, I swerve to avoid something in my normal path, that's dodging. When I'm playing rugby I dodge a player trying to tackle me by changing my running path, that's dodging. I don't owe the other dodgem or rugby player anything. Apple are dodging taxes by structuring their company in a way that is viewing the tax authority as an opponent, and which doesn't represent true economic activity - their headquarters isn't really in Ireland, yet all their international profits are lodged there, and their European iTunes sales don't really occur in Luxembourg, but they are reported there.

There are thousands of U.S. corporations who are incorporated in the state of Delaware for that very reason; they offer lower corporate tax rates. I understand this issue with Apple is at a federal level but it's really no different.

 

And you as a citizen, I'm sure, do your best to pay as little tax as possible. The tax man always was, is, and always will be the opponent. Are you willing to pay more taxes than the tax code, the way it is written, requires?

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The thing is that all these big companies pay their VAT bills to the country of sale, so VAT is not being avoided. VAT is a far larger tax component than corporation tax, which is what is being investigated.
An individual can lessen their personal tax bill in many ways and many people do just this. Corporations are no different, except for their size and their spread across many countries. The rules are more complex and some countries offer more favourable tax regimes. So companies take advantage of this. Same reasoning for the individual and paying income tax, if there was a rule that allowed that individual to lessen their tax burden they would be very stupid not to use that rule.
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Cry me a river and give me strength, the EU is doing none of this! If they had intimate control of the tax policies of member states that would make it an entirely different institution, and it's got nothing to do with incompetence. They aren't making up laws, they aren't crying about anything and they aren't blaming anyone; they're holding an investigation.

But hey, companies can do no wrong and governments can do no right, right? Sheesh!

Yeah you bet governments can do no right. All these politicians including the ones here at home mismanaging the taxpayers trust and then finding all kind of ways to whine and grab money from corporations and then do what? Mismanage it all over again. Pity the fool who thinks EU or Congress has their best interest at heart. I lost confidence in these jokers a longtime ago.

And pity the poor fool who thinks that companies care about their customers, privacy or anything other than profits. 

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The thing is that all these big companies pay their VAT bills to the country of sale, so VAT is not being avoided. VAT is a far larger tax component than corporation tax, which is what is being investigated.
An individual can lessen their personal tax bill in many ways and many people do just this. Corporations are no different, except for their size and their spread across many countries. The rules are more complex and some countries offer more favourable tax regimes. So companies take advantage of this. Same reasoning for the individual and paying income tax, if there was a rule that allowed that individual to lessen their tax burden they would be very stupid not to use that rule.

Actually it's the end-customers who pay VAT. The companies just collect it.

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And you as a citizen, I'm sure, do your best to pay as little tax as possible. The tax man always was, is, and always will be the opponent. Are you willing to pay more taxes than the tax code, the way it is written, requires?
No, actually I don't do my best to pay as little tax as possible. I pay income tax on my income, capital gains tax on money I make from selling shares, VAT on purchases, and council tax to my local authority. I pay these at the appropriate rate and don't try to wriggle my way out of any of them by putting up any false fronts, like setting my employment up as a company or any such scheme. I think that's dishonest.

I don't pay more tax than I'm asked to, but I don't view the tax man as the opponent, I'm an honest citizen and a member of a society, not a game player.

And I'm doing alright for myself and I don't feel like a schmuck.

Actually on the few occasions I've had to contact the Inland Revenue I've found them to be very helpful and patient.

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It's all right. You need to be non-american to understand what is a private joke, in this context ...

Ahh, private joke, public forum. Got it
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Apple are dodging taxes by structuring their company in a way that is viewing the tax authority as an opponent, and which doesn't represent true economic activity - their headquarters isn't really in Ireland, yet all their international profits are lodged there, and their European iTunes sales don't really occur in Luxembourg, but they are reported there.

Yep, exactly how the EU intended, so their own Eurocrats can pay as little tax as possible. The EU guidance states companies need only have one base in Europe and operate from there. Then when the companies do just that, the EU moans that they aren't paying enough tax. They set the rules and complain when companies follow them.

The EC is deeply unpopular right now, and this is just an attempt to try to make themselves seem less useless and inept, when infact it just reinforces that they don't have a clue.

If companies started paying more tax than was due, their shareholders would have some serious concerns with the leadership. Maybe you should start donating more of your income to the government, I'm sure they'd be pleased. Oh but hold on, overpaid taxes are repaid, so even if Apple did pay more than they owed; it would get repaid.
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Of course the EU is crying over this trying to put the blame of their utter incompetence on the evil corporations. So they hold a public inquiry to show the "poor and down-trodden" they are trying to do good by their constituents. "See. It's not our incompetence that keeps the coffers dry, it is the evil companies not being moral"

The US did the same thing about 1-2 years back.

If the EU does not like how companies are using the laws THEY WROTE, change them. Grow a pair and stop crying his it's the evil corporations fault, accept blame and fix their messed up laws.
Exactly. It's all so the lawmakers can avoid tax themselves. It's the same in member states just as much as it is within the EC.
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Ahh, private joke, public forum. Got it

The British believe the one-law-fits-all approach doesn't work, and the OP was attempting to make a joke that Britain won't agree to more regulation. Which it won't.
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Taxes are something Americans just dont like. One of the chief reasons this country was formed.

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I don't pay more tax than I'm asked to, but I don't view the tax man as the opponent, I'm an honest citizen and a member of a society, not a game player.
 

And neither are these companies.

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All wealthy corporates lobby and thus influence Washington DC to craft changes in Tax Codes to avoid paying traditional tax rates you would expect any corporation to pay.

In short, it's legalized bribery, all thanks to an ancient US Supreme Court ruling about People and Personhood bs.

Strip away those loop-holes and then let me see whether or not Apple and everyone else increases their ``lobbying arms'' to retwist and get those real entitlements back that they worked so hard to carve out just for them.

Sorry, but as an alum I call bs on the notion Apple is paying every tax they `owe' when it really should be, `we pay what the current tax structure allows us to pay.'

Tim should defer this BS to the CFO. Let him sweat.

Every corporation was lobbying the House Republicans for a $300 Billion Debt expansion for corporate tax subsidies THEY DON'T DESERVE just two weeks ago.

Don't effin' tell me Apple would not apply for that debt increase if the CFO discovered it could give Apple a refund.

If Steve were alive today I would have asked him, ``Why the **** do we need $50 million in local tax fees waved when we're spending $5 Billion+ on the new campus? And don't blow smoke up my ass that we spend $5 billion should we not get something back.''
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I wish they wouldn't make carefully phrased, weaselly comments like this, it just makes then seem sleazy.

Of course they're dodging taxes, using legal means.
Of course they are exploiting conditions in Ireland that allow me to pay minimal tax due to the "controlling domicile" rule, even if other companies can also exploit that loophole.
And of course they can claim to not fund their domestic profits into tax havens, they do that to their much larger international profits.

The fact is that all this is legal, so the attempt to deflect just makes it look more like they have something to hide, whether they do or don't.

Please, so you don't take deductions on your taxes or buy products where they tax you less than where you live?

The EU and the countries write the laws. If they don't like 'em, change 'em.
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Sorry, but as an alum I call bs on the notion Apple is paying every tax they `owe' when it really should be, `we pay what the current tax structure allows us to pay.'

Apple owes what the laws dictate. They pay what they owe. No wiggle room for interpretation.
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Apple owes what the laws dictate. They pay what they owe. No wiggle room for interpretation.

Agreed. Tim is way too smart to allow anything that isn't 100% above board in Apple's accounting. The people suggesting otherwise need their heads examining.
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Nothing special.  Just typical tax evasion vs tax avoidance.  I'm sure Apple didn't violate any tax laws like TC said.

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Agreed. Tim is way too smart to allow anything that isn't 100% above board in Apple's accounting. The people suggesting otherwise need their heads examining.

He should. He signs off on SEC filings attesting to their accuracy.

-> http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/000119312513416534/d590790dex321.htm

"I, Timothy D. Cook, certify, as of the dates hereof, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 1350, as adopted pursuant to Section 906 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, that the Annual Report of Apple Inc. on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended September 28, 2013 fully complies with the requirements of Section 13(a) or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and that information contained in such Form 10-K fairly presents in all material respects the financial condition and results of operations of Apple Inc. at the dates and for the periods indicated.

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No, actually I don't do my best to pay as little tax as possible. I pay income tax on my income, capital gains tax on money I make from selling shares, VAT on purchases, and council tax to my local authority. I pay these at the appropriate rate and don't try to wriggle my way out of any of them by putting up any false fronts, like setting my employment up as a company or any such scheme. I think that's dishonest.

I don't pay more tax than I'm asked to, but I don't view the tax man as the opponent, I'm an honest citizen and a member of a society, not a game player.

And I'm doing alright for myself and I don't feel like a schmuck.

Actually on the few occasions I've had to contact the Inland Revenue I've found them to be very helpful and patient.

That's quite honorable, although the taxes you describe allow little room to be dishonest or evasive. 

 

I'm not saying to commit tax fraud or evade paying the taxes owed but if the tax code is written in a way that allows me to take 'legal' advantage of it, I'm going to exploit it. And I don't think, as a U.S. citizen, I'm in the minority.

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Nothing special.  Just typical tax evasion vs tax avoidance.  I'm sure Apple didn't violate any tax laws like TC said.

 

Spot on.  The only place you'll find anything hinting at 'tax evasion' on Apple's part is on Apple fan sites trying to rile up the fan base.

Apple is not being accused of tax evasion.  Apple pays the majority of its taxes in a place that it does not earn the majority of its profits.

 

The ones under the gun are the countries offering these methods.  The EU is scrutinizing those methods to determine if they are legal within the laws of the EU.  If they are found to be legal, the EU will have to decide if it wants to (or can) change them.  If they change the law, Apple will pivot to follow the law and pay whatever new method allows them to legally pay the least amount of taxes.  If the laws were found to have been broken, the respective countries may have to pay penalties and be forced into compliance with the law in future dealings.  It will likely be those countries that face the prospect of negotiating past taxes with Apple.  Apple would be in its right to 'stonewall' them and not pay, since it was those countries that applied the systems.

 

Either way, its all good and pretty much the same issue faced recently in the US (although the US politicians were stupid enough to put on stern faces and wag their finger at Apple when the fault is their own laws).  Apple and other corporations are doing no wrong and legally avoiding taxes, but the system that allows them to do that is broken and is what needs to be fixed.

 

While we can all disagree and debate on how much we should spend in taxes and where those resources should be focused, the bottom line is everything our governments do costs money.  That money needs to be paid from 'somewhere.'  The entities benefitting from all the systems in place are mostly private citizens and corporations.  To the extent that corporations don't contribute, private citizens will just have to pay a larger percentage of the burden.

 

If you look at abilities to get out of paying taxes over time, its no surprise who is better at figuring out how to pay less of the share of taxes:

 

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i don't get anything nefarious or dodgy about apple's response at all.
they're just doing a little pre-emptive pr—before the msm & trolls pick it up and make this about apple being the bad guy.

apple's following the law if you have problems with that, change the law.

Apple pays taxes on foreign-earned profits in foreign countries and pays taxes on USA earned profits to the USA government. What Apple, and many other multi-national corporations don't want to do is pay taxes on the same profit dollar more then once. I believe Apple would love to bring much of their foreign dollars back to the USA and use them to build out their infrastructure, thereby employing more Americans...BUT they don't want to pay double taxes and have less left to invest in the end.

A tax holiday would be a positive thing for the U.S. economy by bringing the already-taxed foreign profits home and using it to stimulate the economy and create jobs.
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Please, so you don't take deductions on your taxes or buy products where they tax you less than where you live?
Not intentionally I don't. I buy local and from small retailers most of the time, precisely because I think tax avoidance is sleazy.

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And neither are these companies.
Get real, whether or not they've acted illegally (I suspect they haven't) the idea that Apple haven't gamed the system is absurd. Of course they have, and they've done it very well, and earned themselves a staggeringly low effective tax rate on internal profits.

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I wish they wouldn't make carefully phrased, weaselly comments like this, it just makes then seem sleazy.

Of course they're dodging taxes, using legal means.
Of course they are exploiting conditions in Ireland that allow me to pay minimal tax due to the "controlling domicile" rule, even if other companies can also exploit that loophole.
And of course they can claim to not fund their domestic profits into tax havens, they do that to their much larger international profits.

The fact is that all this is legal, so the attempt to deflect just makes it look more like they have something to hide, whether they do or don't.

Do you even read what you write before posting? If what they are doing is legal then they aren't dodging anything.

 

Show us proof to your baseless allegations on their international profits.

 

You again readily admit that what they do is legal, so shut f up and crawl back under your rock.

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