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Pray tell me what app an iPhone5 cannot run that iPhone 5s can run? Hmm??

 

There should be a fair few. The A6 is no A7, after all.

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I can think of some: Nike+ Move, Breeze, basically any fitness apps that require the M7.
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post #83 of 133
Wasn't there a new leak from NYT's newsroom about something to do with declining pageviews, traffic and readership? This article is explainable only in that light.
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There should be a fair few. The A6 is no A7, after all.

Doubtful than there are many apps that are A7-only, developers won't want to limit their market unnecessarily.  The A6 is no slouch, and should be able to handle the current breed of apps; the A7 will just be faster.  If you know of any specific examples of A7-only apps, that'd be interesting to know.

 

 

I suppose there might be a few apps that need the M7, but that's a different thing.


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I believe that's a RAM issue...
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They did? What did they say? What app(s) did they show off that were specifically taking advantage of A7 chip? At the iPhone event they showed off infinity blade but the iPad event Phil pretty much just read specs off a slide.
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Mr. Dilger, I wonder if another one of your well researched articles could be on what motivates the NYT' editorial staff to constantly write hit pieces on Apple? Is it Samsung's ad budget? Is it a personal grudge, besides Chen's, of course. There's something going on there that supersedes their journalistic integrity.
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"Chen even more famously skewered Apple for even..."

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Looks like it is time to cancel my subscription to the NYT. I have received the Sunday Times at my door and the digital version for the past 10 years. Obviously, something is wrong there. Lately,there have been some editorial statements that have been from our of right field. Sorry to see it go, but when it is no longer relevant, that is the only solution.
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"Chen even more famously skewered Apple for even..."

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I got out early to preserve my sanity. 😑

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Pray tell me what app an iPhone5 cannot run that iPhone 5s can run? Hmm??

You said can't do everything which includes the app's performance which includes both raw HW performance for a given power draw and performance gained by the new ISA. The latter being specifically tied to the AArch64. If performance isn't a factor then you're argument is as bad as saying the original iPhone and iPhone 5S both have the same cameras since they both can take photos of the same things since you're argument disregards how well they take those photos.
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No, an iPhone 5 can do everything a 5S can do. But after iPhone 6 or 6s is released, the vast bulk of Apple iPhones will be running 64-bit processors, and then anything released that will need the 64-bit processor will run on it. This way Apple will not be accused of orphaning users, and developers will have an installed based to write for. This solves the age old chicken and egg problem with regards to platforms vs developers.

Pray tell me what app an iPhone5 cannot run that iPhone 5s can run? Hmm??

Prime example is the native Camera App on the iPhone 5 is not the same as the one on iPhones 5S.  I know, because I miss some of the features with my iP5. 

 

From Apple's website: 

 

"The faster, more powerful A7 chip in iPhone 5s includes a new image signal processor (ISP). Because it’s designed by Apple, the ISP is integrated with the iSight hardware and camera software, delivering faster photo capture and up to 2x faster autofocus.  The ISP and faster sensor also make burst mode possible, which is great when your subject is in motion. Burst mode continuously captures 10 photos per second, letting you take hundreds of images so you don’t miss a moment. Intelligent software algorithms work behind the scenes to analyze all the shots in real time, comparing sharpness and clarity and even detecting when someone’s eyes are closed. Then iPhone suggests individual photos or a sequence of photos that you might like best."

and

Slow-motion video.

When you watch a video in slow motion, it feels infinitely more exciting. Whether it’s a snowboarder landing a jump or a dog chasing its tail, slow-motion video cranks up the drama and, sometimes, the humor. The slo-mo feature on iPhone 5s lets you capture video at 120 frames per second in 720p. When you’re done, select the portion you want to slow down, and that clip plays back at quarter speed. You can change which part is in slow motion anytime, and even share it with your friends.

And that's just one App. 

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Of course I hold Apple to a higher standard lol. But tell me, what have they done since the ipad? Sure they can coast that ride for a while but why? They have the ability to expand out but they're not doing it- why not? And if you want to compare Apple to Google as far as innovation, you might wanna read up on some of their projects like driverless cars and asteroid mining.
Listen, all I'm saying is that Apple isn't the Willy Wonka of the tech world anymore. They're now the new Ford- they started the car game and released the Mustang and that's been pretty much it since. Is that what you want from Apple? I sure as hell don't. I want them to get their hands into just about everything physical in the world and do it right. It's a shame you guys don't feel that way, instead you wanna keep making excuses for them.

Google gets credit for half-assed, unfinished research projects that impress geeks, but does it actually make a dent in the universe? Do you see their competitors changing after them over self driving cars? Google glass? Asteroid mining? Jet packs? Are you kidding? On the one hand, you cite examples as iPhone and iPad as great achievements, but why? iPad is just a "giant iPod Touch" remember? Or did you forget how doomed everyone thought the giant iPod Touch was going to be back in 2010? I know why: because the iPad made a dent in the universe: suddenly, Microsoft was back in the tablet game and Windows tablet PC got a new "touch friendly" UI. Even Google and their hardware partners were caught off guard. Not by the prospect of an Apple tablet--that was rumored for months. It was the success of the first iPad. Success means it made a dent in the universe. Success meant it got copied by Apple's competitors,
Many of whom were skeptical of Apple's chances because the common wisdom before iPad was "nobody buys tablets." Self-driving cars and asteroid mining aren't doing that. But please, continue to tell us how much you and other obvious Google fans on this site hold Google to one standard (geek-pleasing, non-denting-of-universe beta projects) and Apple to an "higher standard" (must dent the universe to else Apple is doomed). You're just proving my point.

You claim you want Apple to chase after every rabbit hole (like Google does apparently). Fine. Get Tim Cook to hire you as VP. I hear he's looking for qualified leaders. Posting here won't change anything.

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I don't know how you read into what I said that would make you think that I agreed with pundits over whether the ipad would be successful. Almost everything they've done (besides Ping and iCloud) has raised standards. Why do justify them slowing the train down for more products then?
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Pray tell me what app an iPhone5 cannot run that iPhone 5s can run? Hmm??

Why are you trying to turn this into an "all or nothing" affair?

It's not whether an App is available or not, it's what features get unlocked on an A7 equipped device that aren't available when running the same App on earlier devices.

For example, djay 2 (who were the first to leverage 64bit code) can only do key detection and real time beat matching on a 5S. Of course the App runs on older devices, but they don't get these very useful features. Procreate is another one that runs on multiple devices, but has 64bit code to take advantage of the processing power of the A7. There are others I've heard about, but these are two that I actually use and am familiar with.
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And now consider the fact that we'll have the A8 in a couple months, which will smoke the A7 out of the water. Apple's skill with CPU architecture seems to be increasing at an exponential rate with each revision, something that should be downright terrifying for everyone else. Nevermind Touch ID, another critical component that noone else seems close to matching in terms of reliability and ease of use. 

 

There's one possible downside to the A8. The A7 is so damn good, that Apple could just make the A7 on a new process (20-22nm) which would offer an easy boost in performance through a clock speed bump and a reduction in power consumption. That coupled with Metal and other goodies in iOS 8 would still keep Apple ahead for one more year. Then drop the hammer with the A9 next year.

 

I'm hoping Apple continues their cycle of a new A Series processor (A8) that again doubles performance over last year's processor, but this time around we might not get it.

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There's one possible downside to the A8. The A7 is so damn good, that Apple could just make the A7 on a new process (20-22nm) which would offer an easy boost in performance through a clock speed bump and a reduction in power consumption. That coupled with Metal and other goodies in iOS 8 would still keep Apple ahead for one more year. Then drop the hammer with the A9 next year.

 

I'm hoping Apple continues their cycle of a new A Series processor (A8) that again doubles performance over last year's processor, but this time around we might not get it.


A8 will probably just be four Swift cores on the die instead of two. Then the Googlebots won't be able to cry about "LOLz W3 HAZ QUAD COR3!"

 

Articles like me both make me laugh, and, as a shareholder, irritate me. The manipulation that has been going on for the last few years is tiring.

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There's one possible downside to the A8. The A7 is so damn good, that Apple could just make the A7 on a new process (20-22nm) which would offer an easy boost in performance through a clock speed bump and a reduction in power consumption. That coupled with Metal and other goodies in iOS 8 would still keep Apple ahead for one more year. Then drop the hammer with the A9 next year.

 

I'm hoping Apple continues their cycle of a new A Series processor (A8) that again doubles performance over last year's processor, but this time around we might not get it.

 

I agree, demanding 100% improvement every single year doesn't sound like a sustainable strategy; Tick-Tock works pretty well for Intel.

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The Grey Lady has been a fraud since its Moscow correspondent Walter Duranty lied to cover up Stalin's mass starvation of the Ukrainians back in the 1930s. Never trust a word it says and certainly don't pay for it.
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The New York Times has "reporters" who are creating clearly false and skewed articles about Apple.

I think the New York Times needs to shore up its ethics and fire these "reporters".

Assuming the Times itself still has an interest in ethics. This pair of "reporters" really crossed a line in credibility, as if they didn't care to cover their tracks. Here's what commenter pontavignon said on Philip Elmer-DeWitt's blog:
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What sad journalism, perhaps epitomized by its dismissal of WWDC as an event where Apple released a software development kit."

That stuck out in the Times story for me as well. It's as if the reporters are preying on the ignorance of their average readers about the WWDC. Shameless. So much so that one suspects that the Times is trying to pressure Apple over some online business detail, "Amazon vs, Hachette" style.
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Of course I hold Apple to a higher standard lol. But tell me, what have they done since the ipad? Sure they can coast that ride for a while but why? They have the ability to expand out but they're not doing it- why not? And if you want to compare Apple to Google as far as innovation, you might wanna read up on some of their projects like driverless cars and asteroid mining.
Listen, all I'm saying is that Apple isn't the Willy Wonka of the tech world anymore. They're now the new Ford- they started the car game and released the Mustang and that's been pretty much it since. Is that what you want from Apple? I sure as hell don't. I want them to get their hands into just about everything physical in the world and do it right. It's a shame you guys don't feel that way, instead you wanna keep making excuses for them.


If you mention driverless cars and asteroid mining, you're forgetting an important detail. Neither of those are anywhere near close to being in the hands of a customer. Google has great ideas. Driverless cars, jetpacks, and asteroid mining are examples of that. But an idea is worthless unless Google can capitalize on it. That's what matters in business and that's not Google's strong suit.

 

And you say Apple isn't the "Willy Wonka" of the tech world. First of all, how do you know that Apple isn't trying at least some of the things Google publicly talks about? It's no secret that Apple is very secretive. Why are you totally discounting the possibility that the only reason we know about driverless cars and asteroid mining is that Google is so public about it?

 

Also, being the "Willy Wonka of the tech world" is worthless if it's not generating cash. That's what matters in business. You wanting Apple to get their hands into just about everything physical in the world sounds great but it's just not a smart business decision. Apple got to where they are today by being laser-focused on what matters. Going into everything just because they can is disastrous thinking.

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If the quality of reporting on Apple reflects the quality of journalism practiced by NYT, they have no credibility.
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Matt Richtel and Brian X. Chen graduated from the School of Michael Dell.
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I could imagine part of their snit has to do with the WSJ eating their lunch in terms of tech reporting.  

 

Well, except for Kara.  Compared to Walt, it's like watching a SNL parody of a tech reporter.  

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The Grey Lady has been a fraud since its Moscow correspondent Walter Duranty lied to cover up Stalin's mass starvation of the Ukrainians back in the 1930s. Never trust a word it says and certainly don't pay for it.

Interesting story I just skimmed through about that era, thanks.

So now we have the Duranty Prize for Mendacity in reporting. No use nominating Chen and Richtel just for the shaming value, because it's supposed to be about foreign affairs.

Maybe we could nominate them for a Pullet Surprise. Winners receive a rubber chicken, mounted on a simulated mahogany plaque.
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Regarding the flavor of "reporting" on Apple by the Times, I am reminded of the prediction by Philip Elmer-Dewitt that the Times was angling for a Pullitzer in the way their series on Apple's factory-labor issues were being "covered" in China a couple of years ago. Apparently, PED understands the way the Pullitzer committee "judges" the merits of the various newspapers' orchestrated coverages in their Committee considerations. First, the series of reports explains the dramatic, graphic issues (e.g. Exploited slave labor practices reducing manufacturing costs). Then the Companies (Apple and Foxconn) make changes (increased pay and benefits). So the perception is that the "reporting" of the favorable changes in this huge American Company were the direct result of the Times' battery of reporters illuminating the issues and affecting real global change. Then the newspaper writes about the more favorable labor conditions that were instituted due to this global attention. Hence this merits a Pullitzer. This worked out for the NYTimes and PED of Fortune predicted all of this long before the Prize was actually awarded. His readers knew exactly what the Times was "up to".
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Why do justify them slowing the train down for more products then?

 

They're not "slowing the train down". That's something you've pulled out of your ass, and then asking people to "justify". You're not stating a fact. You're stating a false, ignorant opinion, so it's not anyone's job to justify it. In the past couple years Apple has expanded its product line pretty significantly, in a way it hasnt done under SJ, providing more options and targetting more demographics. There are now FOUR SKUs of iPads instead of 1, and 2 separate lines of iPhones that look to be expanding again soon. The fact that they haven't introduced a product in a new category is not evidence of them "slowing down". You have no fucking idea whats going on behind the scenes, and everything hints at them working harder than ever on the next new market changing product. They don't need to apologize for not releasing whatever it is on your imagined schedule. The iPad was basically a larger screen and a slightly modified OS- a natural progression from what they achieved with the iPhone. The next product is not as obvious, and its not a leap to understand that it is taking more R&D and engineering than the iPad ever did, not to mention ensuring its existence is justified and giving enough reasons for people to buy it in the current marketplace. The worst thing Apple can ever do it its image is release a failure of a product. You dont seem to have the insight to understand that setting up the proper conditions for success is not trivial- Apple has the perspective to understand that success is not guaranteed, unlike you.

 

Also, if the next product isnt the best thing since sliced bread, I imagine you and people like you (WHERE IS THE NEXT BIG THING???!!) will be the first to shit on it and proclaim how Apple has lost it. Hypocrisy, pettiness, and childishness at its worst. 


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Of course I hold Apple to a higher standard lol. But tell me, what have they done since the ipad? Sure they can coast that ride for a while but why? They have the ability to expand out but they're not doing it- why not? And if you want to compare Apple to Google as far as innovation, you might wanna read up on some of their projects like driverless cars and asteroid mining.
Listen, all I'm saying is that Apple isn't the Willy Wonka of the tech world anymore. They're now the new Ford- they started the car game and released the Mustang and that's been pretty much it since. Is that what you want from Apple? I sure as hell don't. I want them to get their hands into just about everything physical in the world and do it right. It's a shame you guys don't feel that way, instead you wanna keep making excuses for them.

You still pushing this tripe? Apple has perhaps dozens of secret projects they are working and won't announce anything until it's ready for prime time. Google announces shit purely for PR and no where near consumer ready, if ever.
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So I take it that Judith Miller wasn't available?

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No, but I'll post the one that haters get upset about. The A7 processor - the worlds most advanced mobile ARM processor that's so far ahead of Samsung and Qualcomm that even one year later they're still behind. Even ARM's own high-end 64bit processor (the A57) is inferior to the A7, and it's not even shipping yet.


NOBODY in mobile is even close to Apple in processor design.
Have the consumers actually seen the benefit of this yet (besides Touch ID, assuming 64-bit is required for that)? Are their things my iPad can do that it couldn't if it wasn't 64-bit? Unfortunately at the iPad event last year Apple didn't really explain the advantages of 64-bit. Maybe this year is when we'll really see the benefits. Right now, I wish 64-bit could keep Safari tabs from reloading all the time. 1smile.gif
No, an iPhone 5 can do everything a 5S can do. But after iPhone 6 or 6s is released, the vast bulk of Apple iPhones will be running 64-bit processors, and then anything released that will need the 64-bit processor will run on it. This way Apple will not be accused of orphaning users, and developers will have an installed based to write for. This solves the age old chicken and egg problem with regards to platforms vs developers.
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No, an iPhone 5 can do everything a 5S can do.


That's not even remotely accurate. There are massive changes in HW and performance between the iPhone 5 and 5S.
Pray tell me what app an iPhone5 cannot run that iPhone 5s can run? Hmm??

The iPhone 5 doesn't have Touch ID. That means that not only do you lose that convenience, but that when all the new apps that enable it in the coming year arrive, you won't be able to either. I'd say that's a big deal and a compelling reason to buy the iPhone 5s or 6.

 

Well, of course, but presently, as I stated, the two phones are equal in what they can do. As someone pointed out, "but not as fast," however the topic wasn't performance, but capability.

 

Now I come to think of it, I have two apps that need the M7 to track footsteps: Pacer and Walkmeter.

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So I take it that Judith Miller wasn't available?

Maybe she took a job with Engadget.

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Oh, boy... I'm done.

You're even more done, even. lol.gif

 

Some people do get annoyed by bad gramma. Even so, I imagine that SpamS will be even more annoyed come eventide. 😃

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I don't know how you read into what I said that would make you think that I agreed with pundits over whether the ipad would be successful.

I didn't think that you did.

You're still holding Apple to the standard of "next big thing or doom" while holding everyone else to a lesser "it never caught on but it impressed the geeks, and you tried so we still adore you anyway" standard.

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"you might wanna read up on some of their projects like driverless cars and asteroid mining"

 

Yeah, because that's where personal tech is going, and Apple needs to emulate them.  

 

Google is in this way a bit like a lottery winner.  They are going to buy that marble fountain to put out in front of their six-room prefab ranch.  Yes, it's impressive, but it's still a bit of a head-shake.  They want to be Elon Musk.  They just don't have the vision, they don't know how to monetize these Very Big Ideas and they tend to think out loud.  

 

99% of what Google is doing now is search, ads, storage, storage-called-cloud-because-people-think-that's-more-important-than-just-saying-storage, an Office clone, weblogs, shopping, music, mail, cal, maps, books, app store, photos, and a desktop and mobile OS.  

 

So, purty much Apple, just a different name on the treehouse and other kids to play with.  

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Some people do get annoyed by bad gramma. Even so, I imagine that SpamS will be even more annoyed come eventide. 😃

Bad gramma? Sounds like the sequel to Bad Grandpa 1wink.gif

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"you might wanna read up on some of their projects like driverless cars and asteroid mining"

Yeah, because that's where personal tech is going, and Apple needs to emulate them.  

Google is in this way a bit like a lottery winner.  They are going to buy that marble fountain to put out in front of their six-room prefab ranch.  Yes, it's impressive, but it's still a bit of a head-shake.  They want to be Elon Musk.  They just don't have the vision, they don't know how to monetize these Very Big Ideas and they tend to think out loud.  

99% of what Google is doing now is search, ads, storage, storage-called-cloud-because-people-think-that's-more-important-than-just-saying-storage, an Office clone, weblogs, shopping, music, mail, cal, maps, books, app store, photos, and a desktop and mobile OS.  

So, purty much Apple, just a different name on the treehouse and other kids to play with.  

The only "moonshot" project Google is working on that makes sense to me is Google Fiber.

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"you might wanna read up on some of their projects like driverless cars and asteroid mining"

Yeah, because that's where personal tech is going, and Apple needs to emulate them.  

Google is in this way a bit like a lottery winner.  They are going to buy that marble fountain to put out in front of their six-room prefab ranch.  Yes, it's impressive, but it's still a bit of a head-shake.  They want to be Elon Musk.  They just don't have the vision, they don't know how to monetize these Very Big Ideas and they tend to think out loud.  

99% of what Google is doing now is search, ads, storage, storage-called-cloud-because-people-think-that's-more-important-than-just-saying-storage, an Office clone, weblogs, shopping, music, mail, cal, maps, books, app store, photos, and a desktop and mobile OS.  

So, purty much Apple, just a different name on the treehouse and other kids to play with.  

The only "moonshot" project Google is working on that makes sense to me is Google Fiber.

 

Even then, I would say that they have a less than even chance of making significant profit with it. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that even breaking even is not a given, though I suppose they might eventually; it depends how events pan out.


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You still pushing this tripe? Apple has perhaps dozens of secret projects they are working and won't announce anything until it's ready for prime time. Google announces shit purely for PR and no where near consumer ready, if ever.

The other unreasonable demand from these clowns is that Apple stick to a thee year cycle of game-changing, industry-disruptive "new market" product releases that Google and Samsung and Microsoft are ready to copy, once Apple shows the way. And if Apple should miss this three year cycle of innovation, Tim Cook will be blamed, Apple shall be declared in decline, and comparison to Google's high-publicity X lab projects shall be invoked to "prove" that Apple's best days are behind it.

No other company is held to this unreasonable expectation.

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99% of what Google is doing now is search, ads, ....

You could have stopped right there. (Well, I am exaggerating a bit: it's only 92%).

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