Originally Posted by anantksundaram
I wish it were easy as that. Some EU governments, e.g., France, were found out to be spying on their own citizens in a manner similar to NSA. The UK, a member of the EU, held Greenwald's partner at Heathrow for search and questioning. Spain (or was it Portugal, or both?) was implicated in refusing to refuel the Bolivian president's plane. Other than pouting a lot, Germany has done basically nothing to retaliate against its leader being spied on by the NSA.
At least Brazil had the guts to stand up to the US.
The reports on France spying its own citizen were heavily misleadingly reported in the US press. They conflated 4 very different things :
- The SDECE Domme listening base, near Sarlat, and its brethens dedicated to Satellite interceptions, which happens only on coms where there is a satelite component which normally means foreigns comms. As SDECE is a spy outfit, they are are just doing their work, and it is important with counter terrorism in north Africa. There is a grey legal area as they are not supposed to spy on coms between residents even abroad, eg with boats, but that is minor. nothing to see here, just a molehill some named Everest. It is true this is a big big base with very modern equipement
- Police has technical means installed at ISP and mobile operators for warrant based interceptions, but said warrants are kept non public to avoid warning the listenee. It is not undiscrimated full interception. There was some abuse there reported, but nothing really serious.
- There was serious unlawfull intercepts of billling info, which is a kind of metadata, and gives the callees numbers. Loophole was closed but at some cost on privacy making unwaranted seizing possible in some circumstances.
- The only real problem is the change of law in 2006, which relaxed a lot the rules governing unwarranted mobile interceptions in the name of fighting terrorism. This particular law is set to change in 2015, but the current writing is considered by some to be even worse.
All in all, there is listening, yes, probably even too much, but nothing compared to the scope NSA do it. In fact we would not even have the computing capacity to do it I think.
UK, as I said is at US orders and only nominally in EU .