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With publishing house Hachette locked in a battle with Amazon that has seen the imprint's titles pulled from Amazon's virtual shelves, Apple's iBookstore has become the next-best place for readers to shop as a number of Hachette e-books are now discounted to just $9.99.




Each of the nearly 30 titles in Apple's $9.99 pre-orders section is from Hachette, and all are currently unavailable from Amazon -- though it is not known what relation Apple's move has to the Amazon tiff. The sale was first noticed by Re/code.

Included in the sale are popular upcoming titles by authors including J.K. Rowling and James Patterson, which have become pawns in a dispute over e-book pricing between one of the world's largest publishers and the world's largest seller of books. Many believe Amazon is strong-arming Hachette in hopes of securing a new, more profitable sales agreement following the Department of Justice's dismantling of the agency pricing model that allowed publishers to set e-books prices.

Amazon, for its part, insists that the stalemate is a standard part of negotiations designed to benefit consumers. "Negotiating for acceptable terms is an essential business practice that is critical to keeping service and value high for customers in the medium and long term," the company said in a statement.

Hachette is among the publishers who almost immediately settled following the DoJ's filing of a civil suit alleging antitrust violations. Apple eventually lost that case, though the company is in the midst of an appeal and recently settled a parallel damages-seeking suit brought by a number of state attorneys general.
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So then is Apple paying the differential to Hachette?
 
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But... but... but, Apple doesn't set the price, nor do they sell at or below wholesale.
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I think the DOJ needs to look into this. Surely Apple increasing or decreasing any selling price must be breaking some arbitrary law. /s
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But wait books are commodities and you should be able to buy the same book from any writer or publisher and everyone should be paying the same price not matter what.

 

Hatchette should just give in and let Amazon sell their product otherwise they may go to the writer and convince them to sell their book under another publisher, or worse they find their own writers and have them write the same books for them.

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...Apple's iBookstore has become the next-best place for readers to shop...

 

Next best?

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This is cool. But I smell another DOJ lawsuit. I can see it now. "Apple fined 3.2 trillion dollars for selling Hachette e-books Amazon is not currently selling, causing grief to consumers everywhere. All 3 of them."
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Next best?

Definitely a weird line especially since these titles are not available on Amazon thus making the iBookstore the best place to get them.
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I still believe this whole DOJ lawsuit is/was a farce. As a consumer, I should pay what I want for the quality of product I want. If I want to pay less for Amazon's version. Good. If I want to pay more for Apple's iBook version. Great!

 

Publishers should also be free to sell their product for what they think its worth. The whole idea that Amazon is undervaluing the product is hurting the entire industry for the benefit of one company. This has proven time and again to NOT be a pro-consumer activity. Making something free or cheap does not mean the consumer is getting a better deal. Exhibit A: Walmart... outsourcing manufacturing to cheaper locations and reducing the American wage just to "rollback" the price of goods a few cents and line the pockets of a few people.  Entire small town mom and pop shops have been wiped off the planet, never to appear again thanks to one corporate behemoth.

 

The sad thing is that every other retailer now needs to follow suit or face the same fate. No longer do we have a diverse economy of small shops, but now there are only a few corporations that continue to consolidate and control the entire buying habits of the population.

 

So is this what we want as consumers? To be fed a constant stream of ads on sub-optimum devices and forced to buy from one supplier? No matter how cheap that gets, I don't want it. I want to have the option to buy a better quality experience that lets writers have a fair wage that builds the economy, not destroy it.

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I still believe this whole DOJ lawsuit is/was a farce. As a consumer, I should pay what I want for the quality of product I want. If I want to pay less for Amazon's version. Good. If I want to pay more for Apple's iBook version. Great! ....

 

If only more people could see that just because the consumer gets something cheaper doesn't mean it's a better overall deal (even for said consumer) ... I'm with you on paying for quality. Unfortunately, for some, I understand that $ can be issue.

 

Good thing for choice, when we're allowed to have it, I guess.

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I'm surprised Bromwich approved it.

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Now Apple will investigated for predatory pricing. Putting books on sale to take away customers from Amazon? Hideous.

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Imo, yes. Next best. For me nothing beats going into a store or a library and getting a physical copy of a book. I flat-out despise e-books.
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I'm surprised Bromwich approved it.

 

What's there to approve? Apple still sells ebooks under the agency model, the publishers are free to set whatever price they want - and Apple takes their 30% fee. Just as before this is coming off as something Apple is doing, this is more likely Hachette's doing.

 

The ruling against Apple forced the removal of the so-called "Favored Nation" clause, it didn't prohibit the continued use of the agency model.

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What's there to approve? Apple still sells ebooks under the agency model, the publishers are free to set whatever price they want - and Apple takes their 30% fee. Just as before this is coming off as something Apple is doing, this is more likely Hachette's doing.

The ruling against Apple forced the removal of the so-called "Favored Nation" clause, it didn't prohibit the continued use of the agency model.

No they don't currently sell eBooks under the agency model.

http://tidbits.com/article/13998
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But wait books are commodities and you should be able to buy the same book from any writer or publisher and everyone should be paying the same price not matter what.

 

Hatchette should just give in and let Amazon sell their product otherwise they may go to the writer and convince them to sell their book under another publisher, or worse they find their own writers and have them write the same books for them.


That is not how a free economy works. Pricing is something that the market dictates and Hatchette doesn't need to give in. It is their prerogative how they want to conduct their business. The fact of the matter is that neither the publishers or authors are happy with Amazon's position in the market. I haven't seen authors side with Amazon in this contract negotiations.

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So then is Apple paying the differential to Hachette?

Apple doesn't set the price. Hachette does.

And you can bet that this is all about Amazon's crap. Hachette wants folks to get the books. If Amazon loses sales cause folks went to iBooks, sucks to be Amazon.

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No they don't currently sell eBooks under the agency model.

http://tidbits.com/article/13998

That was a proposed order, not a final one. And no where does it say they can't use agency terms.

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Hooray Apple and Hachette.  I'm hoping Amazon cracks before Hachette does.  People can buy books just as easily from Google Play, and some people can buy from iBooks too.  Pay reasonably more for the books, and charge more for them.  Hachette is bearing the brunt while the other publishers sit on the sidelines.  Would be nice to see another one join them in the fight.

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That is not how a free economy works. Pricing is something that the market dictates and Hatchette doesn't need to give in. It is their prerogative how they want to conduct their business. The fact of the matter is that neither the publishers or authors are happy with Amazon's position in the market. I haven't seen authors side with Amazon in this contract negotiations.

(I THINK Maestro64 was being sarcastic ... I could be wrong.)

The fact that Hatchette could go to Apple and sell their books through iBooks is exactly how the free market is supposed to work.  Amazon is free to set their terms for providing distribution... and publishers are free to NOT use Amazon if they feel Amazon is being too onerous.  Most publishers are willing to accept these terms, though, because they feel it is easier/cheaper than building their own digital distribution system... or more effective than going with the #2 digital distributor, iBooks.  (The REAL #1 distributor being bit-torrent. ;) )

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(I THINK Maestro64 was being sarcastic ... I could be wrong.)

The fact that Hatchette could go to Apple and sell their books through iBooks is exactly how the free market is supposed to work.  Amazon is free to set their terms for providing distribution... and publishers are free to NOT use Amazon if they feel Amazon is being too onerous.  Most publishers are willing to accept these terms, though, because they feel it is easier/cheaper than building their own digital distribution system... or more effective than going with the #2 digital distributor, iBooks.  (The REAL #1 distributor being bit-torrent. ;) )


If Maestro64 was being sarcastic then I stand corrected. Ultimately I think Amazon is trying to flex a little too much. This isn't the first time this issue has come up and probably won't be the last. Amazon is the internet age version of Walmart.

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If Maestro64 was being sarcastic then I stand corrected. Ultimately I think Amazon is trying to flex a little too much. This isn't the first time this issue has come up and probably won't be the last. Amazon is the internet age version of Walmart.

No need to "stand corrected" ... your post was still correct and I agree with you.  I was just thinking that the quote of Maestro64's was taken too literally... I read it as sarcasm, thinking he'd likely agree with us.

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Apple doesn't set the price. Hachette does.

And you can bet that this is all about Amazon's crap. Hachette wants folks to get the books. If Amazon loses sales cause folks went to iBooks, sucks to be Amazon.

SO then if Hachette can set the price this low this fast - they must be making a ton. 

 
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Apple doesn't set the price. Hachette does.

And you can bet that this is all about Amazon's crap. Hachette wants folks to get the books. If Amazon loses sales cause folks went to iBooks, sucks to be Amazon.

What part of 'Apple puts some Hachette ebooks on sale' is too difficult for you?
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What part of 'Apple puts some Hachette ebooks on sale' is too difficult for you?

 

An Apple PR rep made a statement confirming the sale, but declined to comment on whether Hachette or Apple was responsible. So where's your proof that Apple is responsible for the sale prices? Surely you didn't take the title of this article as proof, did you?

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Imo, yes. Next best. For me nothing beats going into a store or a library and getting a physical copy of a book. I flat-out despise e-books.

 

You know that is besides the point TS was making.

 

But I agree with you. I love buying physical copies of books - hardbacks, paperbacks, coffee table books, digests, comics, TPBs. Wherever I can, I stick to reading physical books.

 

Of course, when I am travelling, nothing better than my iPad Air. It holds hundreds of comics and dozens of novels.

 

It is a pity Apple still isn't selling books in India. I hope they start soon.

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Excellent. This is exactly how a free and competitive market should work. Each supplier free to set their own price.

Hopefully this will end the comments about Amazon having a monopoly.
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An Apple PR rep made a statement confirming the sale, but declined to comment on whether Hachette or Apple was responsible. So where's your proof that Apple is responsible for the sale prices? Surely you didn't take the title of this article as proof, did you?

And where is the proof that they didn't?
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And where is the proof that they didn't?

Please. A logical fallacy? That's all you've got?

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Please. A logical fallacy? That's all you've got?

Prove to me God doesn't exist. Prove to me Jobs never beat his wife. Ridiculous.

Nice try at redirection. Stay with the topic. I'm going with what was written. If the author was mistaken then the burden of proof is on you. Common sense would say that if Hachette wanted to give Amazon's competitors a leg up then they would've lowered the price at other ebook stores as well. The Nook ebook store would be a good place to start.
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No they don't currently sell eBooks under the agency model.

http://tidbits.com/article/13998

 

That was a "proposed" term and it specifically says end current agency model contracts - it says nothing about not being able to renegotiate new agency model contracts.

 

The fact is, they still use the agency model as they do in ALL their stores.

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That was a "proposed" term and it specifically says end current agency model contracts - it says nothing about not being able to renegotiate new agency model contracts.

The fact is, they still use the agency model as they do in ALL their stores.

They had to tear up their agreements so we're not sure how they're doing, and Apple uses the wholesale model for TV/movies so it's not ALL their stores.
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What part of 'Apple puts some Hachette ebooks on sale' is too difficult for you?

 

The part where it's just the title of the article that is merely explaining that Hachette books are on sale for pre-order in the iBooks Store. The author of the article doesn't know who set the prices, he's just pointing out that these titles are on sale.

 

Do you always read headlines as containing all the facts?

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They had to tear up their agreements so we're not sure how they're doing, and Apple uses the wholesale model for TV/movies so it's not ALL their stores.

 

They don't use the wholesale model, they do set recommended prices and work out contracts with the producers (just as they did with the book publishers), however, that doesn't stop the production companies from setting their own price. Just look at the prices of some PBS shows.

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The part where it's just the title of the article that is merely explaining that Hachette books are on sale for pre-order in the iBooks Store. The author of the article doesn't know who set the prices, he's just pointing out that these titles are on sale.

Do you always read headlines as containing all the facts?

Then why not title it 'Hachette ebooks on sale in Apple iBookstore'?
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Imo, yes. Next best. For me nothing beats going into a store or a library and getting a physical copy of a book. I flat-out despise e-books.

News flash: you can like ebooks and physical books. It's not a crime.
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News flash: you can like ebooks and physical books. It's not a crime.


No kidding Einstein. Since your reading comprehension is obviously lax, what I said was that I prefer physical books over ebooks. That I prefer going into a store and getting a brand new book.

 

I never said anything about having to like one and only one.

 

Smh

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News flash: you can like ebooks and physical books. It's not a crime.


No kidding Einstein. Since your reading comprehension is obviously lax, what I said was that I prefer physical books over ebooks. That I prefer going into a store and getting a brand new book.

I never said anything about having to like one and only one.

Smh

Your comment 'flat-out despise ebooks' deserved an appropriate response.
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