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It's the i5-4260U, same as the entry Air and it uses LPDDR3 RAM:

http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014/06/imac-performance-june-2014/

They maybe get volume discounts because of the Air, which will sell over 1m units per quarter.
It's not 1.4GHz, it's somewhere between 1.4-2.7GHz depending on temperature and the desktop has enough cooling to deal with 95W so 15W is easy. It's also 4-thread so it behaves like a quad-core i5 as they tend to have 4-threads too. The quad-i7s have 8-threads. The Celeron 2.6GHz performs around the same:

http://ark.intel.com/products/71072/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G1610-2M-Cache-2_60-GHz

That's a $42 chip so might have been cheaper but only has HD graphics.
Previously the entry model was $200 more so this improves the situation. $1099 isn't all that expensive for basic tasks because it'll typically last a few years. It's also a question of how much is it worth to have a pleasant computing experience for years. I just couldn't deal with Windows 24/7.

Amusingly when I don't go into bootcamp for a while, I have a difficult time working with it. I have it installed on my notebook. The trackpad drivers aren't that great, and I'm always messing up keys, such as the command key bringing up the start menu.

post #162 of 166
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It's also a question of how much is it worth to have a pleasant computing experience for years.

 

I don't disagree, but I wonder if unsophisticated buyers even KNOW that a Mac is likely to be easier to live with? Is there that kind of value perception among those who are not already part of the Apple faithful?

 

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I just couldn't deal with Windows 24/7.

 

When I last tried to persuade my Dad to switch he argued that he doesn't want to learn a new operating system. I told him that OS X is easier to use than Windows; he argued that FOR HIM it would actually be HARDER, because he already knows Windows whereas he'd have to learn OS X from the ground up. He doesn't want to bother investing "effort" in making computing "easier."

 

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post #163 of 166
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I don't disagree, but I wonder if unsophisticated buyers even KNOW that a Mac is likely to be easier to live with? Is there that kind of value perception among those who are not already part of the Apple faithful?

When I last tried to persuade my Dad to switch he argued that he doesn't want to learn a new operating system. I told him that OS X is easier to use than Windows; he argued that FOR HIM it would actually be HARDER, because he already knows Windows whereas he'd have to learn OS X from the ground up. He doesn't want to bother investing "effort" in making computing "easier."

I think that's the case and I've even seen people defend Windows as being superior, mostly because their experiences were of older, underpowered Macs like PPC years ago and that perception just stuck.

It's hard to undo that but having more competitive pricing with PCs is a step in the right direction. The lower the price, the target audience grows quite rapidly. Then those people with good experiences share it with others and the marketshare grows.

I still think they need a much less expensive 15" laptop though. For someone who wants a basic laptop, they can get the following for $465:

http://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-IdeaPad-15-6-Inch-Touchscreen-59387556/dp/B00F5ZAMY4

Apple's entry 15" laptop is $1999 - over 4x the price. They're nowhere near the same spec but for someone who wants a basic computing experience, that doesn't matter. They don't have to get near that price but given that they can make an 11" Air for $899 and 13" for $999, I assume they can make a 15" Air for $1099, same price as the iMac. It might not attract someone with $500 to spend on a laptop but it should at least come into the upper end of their options list.

I suppose ideally Apple would move to 12" and 15" Retina Macbook Airs, the 12" starting at $999, the 15" at $1299 and then ditch the old models. It probably wouldn't be worth keeping the 13" rMBP going. They only have dual-cores anyway. Why not have a 15" Retina Air replace the 13" rMBP line? People who need CPU/GPU power and dual Thunderbolt are going to get the 15" rMBP anyway.

They have 10 laptop configurations now, they only need 6. The SSD upgrades should all be BTO as they are easily switched out.

12" Retina Air, dual-i5, 4GB RAM, 128GB, $999
12" Retina Air, dual-i7, 8GB RAM, 128GB, $1199
15" Retina Air, dual-i5, 4GB RAM, 128GB, $1299
15" Retina Air, dual-i7, 8GB RAM, 128GB, $1599
(maybe a 16GB model here at $1799)
15" Retina Pro, quad-i7 (Iris Pro), 8GB RAM, 256GB, $1999
15" Retina Pro, quad-i7 + NVidia, 16GB RAM, 256GB, $2299

I don't think they should wait it out either and keep dragging the legacy MBA along, just ditch it and go with the new Retina models. The 15" Air would be a bit heavier than the 13" Air but people who previously had the 13" can get the 12" because it would have a Retina resolution anyway.
post #164 of 166
As I said about 10 years ago, on this very forum - this is the future of all Apple hardware. The only surprise is how long it has taken Apple to implement this business model.

Extending a products lifespan via upgrades hurts Apple's bottom line - they'd much rather tie you into a consumable model. Apple can then shorten the buying cycle via expedited obsolescence. Even the Mac Pro is heading that way.

And the killer is that if you want to 'upgrade' your spec to a realistic level at the point of purchase, you'll likely have to do it at Apple's online store, rather than being able to shop around to find the best deal (complimentary 3 year warranty at John Lewis, anyone?).

MacBook Air, MacBook Pro and now a member of the iMac family feature soldered-on RAM and fixed storage. Expect Mac mini and the rest of the iMac family to follow in due course.
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post #165 of 166
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I think that's the case and I've even seen people defend Windows as being superior, mostly because their experiences were of older, underpowered Macs like PPC years ago and that perception just stuck.

It's hard to undo that but having more competitive pricing with PCs is a step in the right direction. The lower the price, the target audience grows quite rapidly. Then those people with good experiences share it with others and the marketshare grows.
 

There are some situations where I would still recommend the PC over a Mac. If they're going to boot into Windows anyway, and not through a VM, I would suggest a Windows machine. That includes gaming and Windows only applications that would not run well in a VM (3ds max comes to mind, although it is certified to run in Parallels).

post #166 of 166
I have been waiting for iMac refresh in 2014. The last update in June 2014 was a low end iMac which was not what I'm looking for. And the last major iMac update was in September 2013 with Haswell CPU. With Intel delaying the introduction of 14nm Broadwell CPU, I don't think Apple will refresh its iMac product line till March 2015. Do you think there is chance of iMac update this coming September 2014 ?
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