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Waiting for Googleguy defensive post in 3...2...1...

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Googleguy: Well, Nest is a subsidiary of Google and is run as a completely separate company. Just like Moto. Google has no control.


The fine print in the privacy statement: *subject to change according to our Google overlords.

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I totally believe you, Googleguy!

Thanks for bringing me, a humble fool unable to think for himself, the plain and utter truth.

Now, please, tell me more about this awesome company Google, as this is why I have decided to come to a website called AppleInsider that focuses on Apple news...

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So now you're disappointed when I don't post and you resort to begging?

"....'Cause we need a little controversy,
'Cause it feels so empty without me"
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Anyway it looks to me like Google is moving beyond a simple ad-supported business model. I wouldn't be shocked to find that advertising revenue comprises less than half their gross income within 10 years. Hardware and services will become a much bigger part of the pie (already is), not unlike Apple but much more diversified . . . or unfocused depending on your viewpoint.

If Google is smart they'll not interfere much in day to day Nest business and let them remain largly independent. Offer quidance and resources but let Nest put together their vision. That's just what I expect. too.

The potential business upside of home services is a whole lot bigger than a few piddly ads from Google or a smartphone sale by Apple. Neither company will resemble what we're looking at today within a few years IMO.
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When I heard of Google buying a popular security camera company I couldn't help but think of this clip from Minority Report.



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So now you're disappointed when I don't post and you resort to begging?

"....'Cause we need a little controversy,
'Cause it feels so empty without me"
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Anyway it looks to me like Google is moving beyond a simple ad-supported business model. I wouldn't be shocked to find that advertising revenue comprises than half their gross income within 10 years. Hardware and services will become a much bigger part of the pie (already is), not unlike Apple but much more diversified . . . or unfocused depending on your viewpoint.

1) It sounds like you were missed. I'd take it.

2) Universally: "Conflict is drama is entertainment." It's the sauce that makes life tasty… so be saucy. 1biggrin.gif

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**** this. I really liked my Dropcam.. Now it is going to eBay if not the trash.

 

lmao. One of the funniest things I've read all week.

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Google and Nest came under scrutiny in May after the tech giant listed a number of potential ad opportunities, including refrigerators and other smart home products, in a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing. Thermostats -- Nest's specialty -- were specifically mentioned in the document, prompting speculation that targeted ads would soon be popping up on Nest's in-home hardware.

 

Are people ever going to understand that Google is an advertising company, not a technology company? Apple makes products that help us. Google just wants to shove ads in our faces 24/7/365. Nest is conscious about privacy with a frick’in VIDEO CAMERA in your home? What are they going to do? Send you advertising based upon what you do in your bedroom at night?

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In an alternate universe, the Department of Justice would be investigating Google at this point for their hoarding and active acquisition of users’ personal information.

 

IOTL, they’re crying tears of joy.

 

Never thought of that. With the right court order (or not) the DOJ could just turn on your Dropcam and watch you.

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Are people ever going to understand that Google is an advertising company, not a technology company? Apple makes products that help us. Google just wants to shove ads in our faces 24/7/365. Nest is conscious about privacy with a frick’in VIDEO CAMERA in your home? What are they going to do? Send you advertising based upon what you do in your bedroom at night?

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Never thought of that. With the right court order (or not) the DOJ could just turn on your Dropcam and watch you.

Is that a rational fear? As likely as turning on your iPhone camera and/or microphone without your knowledge? Or your Xbox camera? Or listening in using your iPad? Or using your laptop/desktop computer to monitor you? What if "always listening" Siri comes to the Apple TV? Can "they" get access to everything you discuss and use it to plot against you?

" . . . with the right court order (or not)". Not likely but it's not entirely impossible I suppose.

As far as Dropcam goes it's not a product I'd buy no matter who the owner is. I'm holding out for Canary.
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What the **** is Google's obsession with cameras and surveillance? First the insanely creepy Google Glass, and now this? Who the **** in their right mind would want their home surveillance systems owned by an ADVERTISING company? I love how they set up Nest as a cover for acquisition, cause they knew "Google buys dropcam" would sound that much more creepy. 

Google has been obsessed with photographing everything ever since they started Street view. They recently bought Skybox (http://online.wsj.com/articles/amid-stratospheric-valuations-google-unearths-a-deal-with-skybox-1402864823)

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I really hope "bought by Google" doesn't start equalling "not supported on Apple".

No need to worry about support- quite the opposite actually. Bought by apple means no support for google.
Now your privacy? I'd worry about that. Not now, but in a year or two when/if(likely) they change their privacy policy.

Side note- I don't like Google- but these purchases seem good for what they are wanting to do. Keeping nest seperate and now dropcam. Integrating it into Nest. I like it. And very minor investments for both companies in the scheme of things (much like Beats). Unfortunately, our youth (early 20s and younger) don't really seem to care much about their privacy. Particularly in our social media and "share everything" world. They simply don't know better. In 5-10 years, they're the spenders. This truly isn't a dumb business move- but no one should fool themselves- they are doing this for data. It's just a matter of if someone cares or not. They're banking on "not".

Apple clearly doesn't want to get into hardware, and leaves that to the third parties- but Nest seems to be the front runner here and is looking at becoming an all-inclusive automated company. Hoping some other companies step up. Currently, I use two wired $45 cameras hooked up to Airport expresses I had already that I'm using as wifi extenders and airplay (one is hooked up to an old stereo console I restored). That and iCam- a $5 insanely awesome app w/ push notifications that detect movement, record to my Mac mini, etc. A $95 solution for 2 camera points and constant monitoring.
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what is really missing is an outdoor version of Dropcam to mount it in your garden / on your front door and protects it from rain, sun, thieves etc

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Googleguy: Well, Nest is a subsidiary of Google and is run as a completely separate company. Just like Moto. Google has no control.


The fine print in the privacy statement: *subject to change according to our Google overlords.

It is amazing how much evil wholly owned Google sibsidary's do. Every time Motorolla filed a lawsuit we would still see the Googleguys running around saying Google would never sue anyone because they are not evil like Apple, Now we have Nest buying video surveilance for Google.
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It is amazing how much evil wholly owned Google sibsidary's do. Every time Motorolla filed a lawsuit we would still see the Googleguys running around saying Google would never sue anyone because they are not evil like Apple, Now we have Nest buying video surveilance for Google.

So lawsuits are evil now?
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Google in the security business? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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In a simultaneous announcement a GCHQ public relations officer stated "With Google as a complimentary anti-terrorist agency, we now own all of your home". U.K. Prime Minister, David Cameron, was said to be "...utterly delighted with the acquisition as it now means we can build on our close and special relationship with The NSA and Presidents of America." When questioned on the potential for abuses of privacy, Cameron reminded the gathered press "...abuse is the price the electorate willingly pay for Britain's past and future illegal geopolitical interventions.". Nick Clegg, Deputy Prime Minister of the U.K. Lord President of The Council and leader of The Liberal Democrats in coalition with the Tories, squeaked in deference when Cameron looked to him for support.

 

A representative for Google who wished to remain anonymous said in a statement "If you ask us any questions to which we furnish answers we will have to have you rendered or killed". At which point the journalist who had asked the initial question fell lifeless to the floor.

 

In the U.K. further reporting of the $555M deal has become subject to a D-Notice.

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Well there is another product line I will have to drop due to privacy. I can't imagine anyone buying Google home stuff, given Google's business is not selling this stuff but selling you to advertisers.

 

They're not selling the stuff?  Where can I go to get my free Nest thermostats and Dropcam cameras?

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Whatever Google buys I will stop using - it's as simple as that.


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Whatever Google buys I will stop using - it's as simple as that.

Me too. I told my Boston Dynamics robot he was fired and to go back to factory the second they were bought by Google.
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LOL.

 

Advertisement at the bottom of this very page:

 

 

Ironic, much?

 

There's a version of Ad Sense that scans the source page the ad appears on for keywords. It's not a coincidence. It's 100% Google.

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So lawsuits are evil now?

 

You know the forum meme: it's only evil when Apple does it™.

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There's a version of Ad Sense that scans the source page the ad appears on for keywords. It's not a coincidence. It's 100% Google.
So what are the other 10-plus ad services and 14+ trackers that I temporarily allowed doing here at AI? To paraphase it's only evil to some folks if it's Google. . .


Adap.tv - Advertising
AdForm - Advertising, Analytics
Aggregate Knowledge - Beacons
AlmondNet - Advertising
Amazon Associates - Advertising, Affiliate Marketing
AppNexus - Advertising
Audience Science - Beacons
BlueCava - Beacons, Device Fingerprinting
BlueKai - Beacons
Chango - Beacons
Criteo - Advertising
Digilant - Advertising
eXelate - Beacons
Facebook Connect - Widgets, Social
Genome - Advertising
Integral Ad Science - Analytics
Krux Digital - Beacons
Legolas Media - Beacons
Lotame - Beacons, Analytics, Lead Management
Media Innovation Group - Analytics
Quantcast - Advertising
ScoreCard Research Beacon - Beacons, Analytics
ShareThrough - Advertising
SiteScout - Advertising
VigLink - Advertising, In-Text Ads
VisualDNA = Analytics, Segment Data
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So what are the other 10-plus ad services and 14+ trackers that I temporarily allowed doing here at AI? To paraphase it's only evil to some folks if it's Google. . .


Adap.tv - Advertising
AdForm - Advertising, Analytics
Aggregate Knowledge - Beacons
AlmondNet - Advertising
Amazon Associates - Advertising, Affiliate Marketing
AppNexus - Advertising
Audience Science - Beacons
BlueCava - Beacons, Device Fingerprinting
BlueKai - Beacons
Chango - Beacons
Criteo - Advertising
Digilant - Advertising
eXelate - Beacons
Facebook Connect - Widgets, Social
Genome - Advertising
Integral Ad Science - Analytics
Krux Digital - Beacons
Legolas Media - Beacons
Lotame - Beacons, Analytics, Lead Management
Media Innovation Group - Analytics
Quantcast - Advertising
ScoreCard Research Beacon - Beacons, Analytics
ShareThrough - Advertising
SiteScout - Advertising
VigLink - Advertising, In-Text Ads
VisualDNA = Analytics, Segment Data

Surely you know why Google is considered "evil" and those others aren't. They simply aren't big enough to be household names. The real "evil" people refer are just being being used as internet cattle, like with sites like AI, herding our usage data. The main difference between them and Google is Google's success as being able to package a service that is profitable to them because of advertisers but free to users. There is nothing inherently wrong with that model but it's certainly something people should be concerned about.
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Thank God I held off purchasing. I'm still waiting for Honeywell to catch-up so I can rip out my Nest units

Ahem.... Honeywell is the leader, going back way before Nest. (See Honeywell's easy-to-use Prestige 2.0 and new 3.0 thermostats with remote access, plus the innovative new Lyric.) Nest has been jumping through hoops trying to catch up and circumvent Honeywell's long-standing patents.

The Nest is a nice looking lump on the wall, but it's UI is on par with the Samsung Galaxy Gear.


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So what are the other 10-plus ad services and 14+ trackers that I temporarily allowed doing here at AI? To paraphase it's only evil to some folks if it's Google. . .


Adap.tv - Advertising
AdForm - Advertising, Analytics
Aggregate Knowledge - Beacons
AlmondNet - Advertising
Amazon Associates - Advertising, Affiliate Marketing
AppNexus - Advertising
Audience Science - Beacons
BlueCava - Beacons, Device Fingerprinting
BlueKai - Beacons
Chango - Beacons
Criteo - Advertising
Digilant - Advertising
eXelate - Beacons

[...]

You conveniently omitted DoubleClick from your list. Why?

Is it because it is owned by Google?

 

All those other services are irrelevant. 

 

DoubleClick is the only real revenue generating agency in the list.

 

Perhaps they forgot to mention DED's wardrobe provided by Men's Warehouse.

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You conveniently omitted DoubleClick from your list. Why?
Is it because it is owned by Google?

All those other services are irrelevant..

Because I was posting about the other ad providers on this site other than Google.

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So what are the other 10-plus ad services and 14+ trackers that I temporarily allowed doing here at AI
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Google's going to own my DropCam now? No f'ing way! Sorry but just disconnected it PERMANENTLY!
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So what are the other 10-plus ad services and 14+ trackers that I temporarily allowed doing here at AI? To paraphase it's only evil to some folks if it's Google. . .


Adap.tv - Advertising
AdForm - Advertising, Analytics
Aggregate Knowledge - Beacons
AlmondNet - Advertising
Amazon Associates - Advertising, Affiliate Marketing
AppNexus - Advertising
Audience Science - Beacons
BlueCava - Beacons, Device Fingerprinting
BlueKai - Beacons
Chango - Beacons
Criteo - Advertising
Digilant - Advertising
eXelate - Beacons
Facebook Connect - Widgets, Social
Genome - Advertising
Integral Ad Science - Analytics
Krux Digital - Beacons
Legolas Media - Beacons
Lotame - Beacons, Analytics, Lead Management
Media Innovation Group - Analytics
Quantcast - Advertising
ScoreCard Research Beacon - Beacons, Analytics
ShareThrough - Advertising
SiteScout - Advertising
VigLink - Advertising, In-Text Ads
VisualDNA = Analytics, Segment Data

You're so silly.

The Ad Sense feature that selects ads based the page content is in fact the relevant feature behind the "ironic" ads noted by others in the forums. Your list is a smokescreen designed to divert attention. You're like a bad magician, in need of more practice!

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Oh my, this home security device was on my to buy shortlist.

Now it's dropped; I've had enough of Google  or any other facility spying on me.

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Are people ever going to understand that Google is an advertising company, not a technology company? Apple makes products that help us. Google just wants to shove ads in our faces 24/7/365. Nest is conscious about privacy with a frick’in VIDEO CAMERA in your home? What are they going to do? Send you advertising based upon what you do in your bedroom at night?

 

Apple makes products to make money off you, just like any other company.  If they felt they could make more money mining your data, they would do so in a heart beat.  

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Dropcam use Amazon AWS for data storage, with the worse bitrate for lowest possibly quality due to network upstream of most people being low internet connections.

Now google may want it moved to their own data storage and offer a almost 0 cost plan to effectively kill most competition. World domination!

Dropcam always a pure VC company always looking for a cash out!

Also how does this fair with Dropcam being sold in apple stores! guess this will be something for someone to think about.

Business related Great Article at.

http://ipvm.com/report/google_acquires_dropcam_for_$555_million

Funny how these people play with monopoly money.
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Originally Posted by mistercow View Post

Apple makes products to make money off you, just like any other company.  If they felt they could make more money mining your data, they would do so in a heart beat.  

 

It’s pretty scary that some people actually believe this.

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It's pretty scary that some people would be naive enough to not believe it.

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It's pretty scary that some people would be naive enough to not believe it.

 

Explain to the class what makes you think they couldn’t make more money–right now–by doing so, then, that keeps them from it?

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PR backlash, probably.

You don't think anyone within the company would even consider it? Of course they would.

What is it exactly that you find scary?

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You're so silly.

The Ad Sense feature that selects ads based the page content is in fact the relevant feature behind the "ironic" ads noted by others in the forums. Your list is a smokescreen designed to divert attention. You're like a bad magician, in need of more practice!

If it makes you a little happier to believe Google is 100% behind everything then don't let inconvenient facts get in the way of that. IMHO Quantcast might have a little to do with it tho. They've had their own issues of course and a search for "Quantcast privacy lawsuit" will offer details if you have any interest.
https://www.quantcast.com/advertise
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Explain to the class what makes you think they couldn’t make more money–right now–by doing so, then, that keeps them from it?

 

They may not have the infrastructure or the talent for it.  See Apple Maps.

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PR backlash, probably.

You don't think anyone within the company would even consider it? Of course they would.

What is it exactly that you find scary?

 

Of course Apple would consider mining their users' data.  They already do it.  This fact seems to get forgotten around here fairly often.  Anyone who doubts this just needs to review Apple's privacy policy.  Obviously it's not Apple's main source of revenue, but they are also newer to the data mining business then behemoths like Google.

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Or should is simply be Goggle now? 1biggrin.gif

You suggested just such a purchase several months ago. Still makes sense for the same reasons too IMO.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/160040/dropcam-pro-takes-quick-easy-wi-fi-based-home-video-surveillance-to-next-level#post_2414641
"I'd like to see the Nest folks get into this area (and more), their products and software are always taken the the 'next level' and the most Apple like of anything out there"

You weren't the only one to suggest it either.
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Are people ever going to understand that Google is an advertising company, not a technology company? Apple makes products that help us. Google just wants to shove ads in our faces 24/7/365.

 

Here's a partial list of Google owned technology companies, most producing products or services that "help" people. At worst, you could say Google is an adverting and technology company. One could make the argument that Google is more of a technology company than Apple. 

 

Alpental Technologies - Wireless Technology

Skybox ImagingSatellite Imaging firm

Quest Visual - Maker of the augmented reality translator app Word Lens

Stackdriver - Cloud computing

SlickLogin - Internet Security

ImpermiumInternet Security

Boston Dynamics - Robotics Company

Meka Robotics - Robotics Company

Redwood RoboticsRobotics Company

Industrial PerceptionRobotics Company

SCHAFT, Inc.Robotics Company

DeepMind Technologies - Artificial Intelligence company

FlutterHand gesture recognition technology

Waze - GPS navigation software

Makani Power - Airborne wind turbines

Wavii - Natural Language Processing

Talaria TechnologiesCloud computing

DNNresearch Inc.Deep Neural Networks

Viewdle - Facial recognition

QuickOffice Productivity suite

Global IP SolutionsWeb-based teleconferencing

PittPattFacial recognition

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Here's a partial list of Google owned technology companies, most producing products or services that "help" people. At worst, you could say Google is an adverting and technology company. One could make the argument that Google is more of a technology company than Apple. 

Alpental Technologies - Wireless Technology
Skybox ImagingSatellite Imaging firm
Quest Visual - Maker of the augmented reality translator app Word Lens
Stackdriver - Cloud computing
SlickLogin - Internet Security
ImpermiumInternet Security
Boston Dynamics - Robotics Company
Meka Robotics - Robotics Company
Redwood RoboticsRobotics Company
Industrial PerceptionRobotics Company
SCHAFT, Inc.Robotics Company
DeepMind Technologies - Artificial Intelligence company
FlutterHand gesture recognition technology
Waze - GPS navigation software
Makani Power - Airborne wind turbines
Wavii - Natural Language Processing
Talaria TechnologiesCloud computing
DNNresearch Inc.Deep Neural Networks
Viewdle - Facial recognition
QuickOffice Productivity suite
Global IP SolutionsWeb-based teleconferencing
PittPattFacial recognition

There's also:
Titan Aerospace and Divide. In fact Google has made 14 known acquisitions so far this year alone. Twitch will likely make it 15 shortly according to industry rumor.

The robotics and AI purchases make sense and are likely all under the same umbrella now, but with some of the others I'm concerned whether Google has the managment teams in place to be able to make the best use of them. That's a lot to take in.
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