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With Google's I/O conference set to kick off this Wednesday and showcase the company's next direction for its Android mobile platform, a new leak now shows an 8.9-inch HTC tablet that is expected to be the next premium Nexus tablet pitted against Apple's iPad lineup.




Pictures and details on the HTC "Volantis" were revealed by Android Police, which said the device is internally referred to as the "Nexus 9." The device is said to have an 8.9-inch display with a resolution of 2,048 by 1,440 pixels, a size that would place it in between Apple's 7.9-inch iPad mini, and 9.7-inch iPad Air.

Google and HTC are apparently planning for the device to be a premium-grade tablet, boasting a 64-bit Nvidia Logan processor, 2 gigabytes of RAM, and an 8-megapixel camera with optical image stabilization. The leaked information suggests the device will sell for $399 with 16 gigabytes of storage, pricing it identically with Apple's iPad mini with Retina display.

Though Google's I/O conference kicks off Wednesday, the so-called "Nexus 9" is not expected to be unveiled this week. Instead, Google is said to be holding the debut of its next-generation flagship tablet for the launch of "Android L," an anticipated update for its mobile platform.




The Nexus brand is used by Google to spotlight different hardware manufacturers within the Android ecosystem. The first Nexus tablet, the Nexus 7, debuted in July of 2012, only months before Apple would introduce its blockbuster iPad mini.

Despite a deluge of competing devices from companies like Google, Samsung and Amazon, Apple's iPad lineup remains by far the market share leader in terms of tablet sales. But growth in the overall tablet market has slowed in recent quarters, following an explosive growth period led by the debut of Apple's first iPad in 2010.

As for the Google I/O conference this week, it's widely expected that the company will focus on its new Android Wear initiative for wearable smart devices. It's also expected to take the wraps off the successor to Android 4.4 KitKat, only known for now as "Android L."

Apple unveiled its own next-generation mobile platform, iOS 8, at its Worldwide Developers Conference earlier this month. iOS 8 will launch this fall, while Apple is widely rumored to enter the wearable devices market this October.
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Wow this place really is turning into Google Insider. 1eek.gif
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Yeah it is a slow Apple news day. Google it trying to get as much mind share as possible and AI is help with that.

 

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boasting a 64-bit Nvidia Logan processor

 

That appears to be interesting, why waste the performance power battery life when the OS and Apps can not support it.

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I'm sure it will be a fine tablet, but the mobile industry turned out to be all about the ecosystem. Apple has everyone beat in that department. 

 

The others have similar app stores and music streaming, etc., but Apple is focused on their single niche market segment instead of exploring dozens of different categories and product lines like the other competitors. Apple is presenting a unified product line and ecosystem with no distractions so it is easy for consumers to grasp and embrace the concept. Very smart marketing too.

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Let me guess: because Apple only has 8" and 10" tablets, 9" is "innovation" 1tongue.gif I know that screen size is considered innovation in the Android world 1wink.gif
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... only known for now as "Android L."

 

L for "Lollipop."

 

Because it's for suckers maybe?

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Yeah it is a slow Apple news day. Google it trying to get as much mind share as possible and AI is help with that.


That appears to be interesting, why waste the performance power battery life when the OS and Apps can not support it.
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Ok if you're going to put the iPad mini on their with the iPad Air than it's the retina mini and then retina mini has the exact same screen resolution. The tablets face looks like the iPad mini and the back looks like someone took a hammer from a cartoon and flattened the nexus. Android phones all run on Android no deference can all be wiped by easily accessing recovery mode. I see this as more reason to why someone would buy and iPad instead. I don't see google releasing a smart watch anything as good as Apple "iWatch" but better than samsung galaxy scrap gear.
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That appears to be interesting, why waste the performance power battery life when the OS and Apps can not support it.

Well, as this is a developers conference and a new OS version is in the cards... Why shouldn't 64-bit be on the list of new features? Totally possible, getting Android developers to support it quickly might be another story.
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post
 

I'm sure it will be a fine tablet, but the mobile industry turned out to be all about the ecosystem. Apple has everyone beat in that department. 

 

You nailed it.  Apple has followed the perfect strategy.  Build out an ecosystem over a decade or so, gradually, invisibly, while the entire world focuses on your cool devices (e.g. iPod in the '00s, iPhone + iPad in the '10s etc.)  Because hardware is the easiest thing for the media to photo-blog about and for "analysts" to count and extrapolate for next quarter.  (And, as seen in the photo above, hardware the easiest thing for wannabes to copy.)

 

Of course, hardware is just the tip of the iceberg.  The window through which we peer into the ecosystem.  Hardware is just the box the software ships in.  (Which is why the occasional Asian component supplier hardware leak is probably OK with Tim Cook.)  So while Apple relentlessly built up the iTunes + Music Store + App Store, competitors did the quick and easy thing: they mashed up iPod, iPhone, and iPad clones and tried to beat Apple on price.  With little or no ecosystem, because the ecosystem is the big expensive long-term play.

 

So good luck with your Nexus, HTC.  Hope you last another year in mobile. Cheers.

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"4:3 sucks!" -every android fanboy
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L for "Lollipop."

Because it's for suckers maybe?

Perhaps L is for "losers" or "late" or "laggy"
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looks like a nice tablet. some really good android hardware out there these days.

it's the walled off apple ecosystem, not the hardware, that keeps me buying i devices these days.
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Another boring and horrible Android tablet. :err:

 

And what's with the 4:3?

 

Are they admitting that all 16:9 Android tablets suck donkey balls, like people have been saying for ages? I wonder what Fandroids have to say about that. They've been defending 16:9 forever.

 

Is it any wonder that Android apps look like crap? There is no standard at all. 

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Not very excited about this tablet.

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Google still hasn't learned that people don't buy "specs", but the experience of using a product. That's what Apple has mastered. May not be the fastest CPU (on paper), but the iPad and the iPhone work as people want them to work.

In contrast, Android keeps selling specs, which to the vast majority of non-geek consumers mean nothing: "it has an Nvidia Logan 64-bit!".... ok? so what?

Funny, in many ways Google's approach reminds me of the approach American car makers take when comparing to the benchmark cars of the category (which are usually German): "It has more horsepower than the BMW 335i!", forgetting to tell you that it also has a shitty plastic interior, and the BMW is still faster due to better power delivery, despite having less ON PAPER.

One day, Google, you'll figure out how to sell hardware for the user experience, not the specs.. For now, stick to web services.
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And also, MS Surface is 3:2 now all of a sudden.

 

The companies who love to copy Apple are now also moving closer to Apple's aspect ratio. 

 

They're admitting that Apple got it right with the original iPad, and many years later, after countless failed tablets, we now see Microsoft and Google both abandoning 16:9 in their newest tablets. Coincidence?

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And also, MS Surface is 3:2 now all of a sudden.

 

The companies who love to copy Apple are now also moving closer to Apple's aspect ratio. 

 

They're admitting that Apple got it right with the original iPad, and many years later, after countless failed tablets, we now see Microsoft and Google both abandoning 16:9 in their newest tablets. Coincidence?

Apple copied at least nine features Android has had for years with iOS 8. The one sided copy argument got old a long time ago. Not to mention the fact that Apple was never going to go above a 3.5 inch iPhone because that was the perfect size. At what point did it not become the perfect size? Maybe we should change the name of the forum to HI for Hypocrite Insider. Everyone copies including Apple. 

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So 64-bit is no longer a "gimmick" now that Google's tablet is using it?

Waiting to hear excuses reasons from Android fanboys.

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That appears to be interesting, why waste the performance power battery life when the OS and Apps can not support it.

Most of Android apps run in a virtual machine (Dalvik, likely to be replaced by ART in the next months), so once virtual machine supports 64-bit, all those apps automatically benefit from 64-bit, without need to recompile. Only native apps (those developed with NDK for a specific CPU) need to be recompiled in order to benefit from 64-bit.
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Another boring and horrible Android tablet. :err:

 

And what's with the 4:3?

 

Are they admitting that all 16:9 Android tablets suck donkey balls, like people have been saying for ages? I wonder what Fandroids have to say about that. They've been defending 16:9 forever.

 

Is it any wonder that Android apps look like crap? There is no standard at all. 


I guess there weren't too many Android fanboys that were preaching that it was NECESSARY to have that screen format so they can watch a movie, while composing an email, and surfing porn sites all at the same time to give sooth their ADHD desires.

What a bunch of tools.
 

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Apple copied at least nine features Android has had for years with iOS 8. The one sided copy argument got old a long time ago. Not to mention the fact that Apple was never going to go above a 3.5 inch iPhone because that was the perfect size. At what point did it not become the perfect size? Maybe we should change the name of the forum to HI for Hypocrite Insider. Everyone copies including Apple. 

 

In 2007, when the iPhone was released, 3.5" was huge for a phone.

 

And of course there are minor features that Apple implements from time to time that can be found on other systems. I don't think that too many people would deny that.

 

Here's the thing.

 

Without Android, if Android had never existed, it would not make any difference at all to Apple and to Apple users, and Apple's iPhone and iPad would still be awesome and they would look like they do today.

 

Without iOS, if iOS had never existed, then Android devices would be extremely different than they are today. Android devices would still look like pathetic Blackberry clones in 2014, if not for Apple.

 

Any monkey can steal an iconic design and add a few gimmicky features to it. That takes no talent at all.

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looks like a nice tablet. some really good android hardware out there these days.

it's the walled off apple ecosystem, not the hardware, that keeps me buying i devices these days.

Caution, Android is also a walled off garden.
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I guess there weren't too many Android fanboys that were preaching that it was NECESSARY to have that screen format so they can watch a movie, while composing an email, and surfing porn sites all at the same time to give sooth their ADHD desires.

What a bunch of tools.
 

Has Apple ever changed strategy? Never going to me an iPad mini, iPhone was never going to be bigger than 3.5 inches. If we had a nickel for everything it was said "apple would never" lets just say we would have a lot of nickels. 

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Ah, so they moved to 4:3 finally? Apparently the iPad has a "pathetic/ancient/etc" 4:3 ratio, and 16:9 was the future? That's what every Android fan and Apple basher has been saying since the first Nexus came out. As always, empty, intellectually dishonest rhetoric and doesnt stand the test of time.

Oh, and those bezel ratios look almost IDENTICAL the the current Air/mini. Yeah, I'm sure its completely coincidental/accidental.

Pathetic. At the end of the day, the Android tablet app situation is still utterly dismal- they can knock off the iPad design all they want, but when you have shit for apps, it doesnt mean much.
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Ah, so they moved to 4:3 finally? Apparently the iPad has a "pathetic/ancient/etc" 4:3 ratio, and 16:9 was the future? That's what every Android fan and Apple basher has been saying since the first Nexus came out. As always, empty, intellectually dishonest rhetoric and doesnt stand the test of time.

Oh, and those bezel ratios look almost IDENTICAL the the current Air/mini. Yeah, I'm sure its completely coincidental/accidental.

Pathetic. At the end of the day, the Android tablet app situation is still utterly dismal- they can knock off the iPad design all they want, but when you have shit for apps, it doesnt mean much.

Is that anything like Apple's move to a 16:9 iPhone or the move to a much larger display this fall?
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HTC makes great hardware and I think this is one attractive piece of technogy. I'm curious if they will refresh their Nexus 7 device as well. I've been in the market for a secondary tablet to my iPad Air and I wanted to spend less than the price of the Mini Retina. I own a lot of Apple products but I'm not really tied into the ecosystem in any meaningful way. Use Office 365 for cloud storage and school work, Bluray for media content, Spotify and Pandora for Music. Other than a few apps, it's easy to live a cross platform life.
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Incredibly innovative and not at all like an iPad. 🐎💩

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In 2007, when the iPhone was released, 3.5" was huge for a phone.

 

And of course there are minor features that Apple implements from time to time that can be found on other systems. I don't think that too many people would deny that.

 

Here's the thing.

 

Without Android, if Android had never existed, it would not make any difference at all to Apple and to Apple users, and Apple's iPhone and iPad would still be awesome and they would look like they do today.

 

Without iOS, if iOS had never existed, then Android devices would be extremely different then they are today. Android devices would still look like pathetic Blackberry clones in 2014, if not for Apple.

 

Any monkey can steal an iconic design and add a few gimmicky features to it. That takes no talent at all.

My comment was simply based on the fact that everyone at some point will copy technology. It would be stupid not to add a feature because someone else added first. I will assume at some point Apple will add the feature to drag and drop multi windows on the iPad something Kitkat already does, that is just a smart move to add that feature. 

 

Apple certainly added at least 9 features Android has had for many years. Even the most diehard can't deny that fact. I don't own anything Android based or anything Windows based but it's getting annoying to always hear people act as if Apple doesn't add features that Android or Windows had first in their OS. 

 

As far as the aspect ratio if Samsung or others have found the 16:9 ratio was the wrong way to go they would just be stupid not to change it because Apple went that way first. 

 

This was always a Steve Jobs bullshit fight which isn't hard to see now that Google and Apple have made an agreement to work things out when it comes to copyrights and it won't be long before Samsung and Apple do the same. It's impossible at this point for the hardware and software not to cross platforms at this point. 

 

We are certainly at the point where the ecosystem is going to be the defining factor, Apple has had that advantage for a while but Google is starting to get it's act together at least on some level. The reason Windows can't get any traction isn't because of their hardware it's because their ecosystem sucks and is well behind both Android and iOS. 

 

Perfect example is the Surface Pro 3. Has really nice hardware great fit and finish, the screen is really nice looking and it's light for a laptop replacement. Windows 8.1 runs better, but it has nothing to offer when it comes to a real ecosystem and apps. 

 

Also on a final note the SCOTUS made a ruling last week that in the long run is going to make is much harder if not impossible to patent software. 

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Caution, Android is also a walled off garden.

nope. with all the manufacturers and app stores, it's anything but.
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Incredibly innovative and not at all like an iPad. 🐎💩

Isn't it funny how the manufacturers derided Apple's attempt to patent their rectangular iPad design and claimed that there was no possible way it could be designed differently. So then Apple squeezes in the edges with the Mini and subsequently the Air making a new design and what's the excuse now? Why do they have to so blatantly copy the design just when Apple changes it?
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Incredibly innovative and not at all like an iPad. 🐎💩
Well if it has front facing stereo speakers then that's one way it won't be like an iPad. 1tongue.gif
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One thing that these android hardware companies don't understand: it's not about the hardware alone, but hardware+software+apps+ecosystem. Whatever they do with the hardware, it's still not correcting the fragmentation. Apps on android tablets are pathetic.

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It looks like a blatant iPad Mini ripoff from the front. All it needs is a home button.
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Originally Posted by TheWhiteFalcon View Post
It looks like a blatant iPad Mini ripoff from the front. All it needs is a home button.

 

It has a white dot there.

 

I’d be extremely surprised if they’re not sued over it.

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Apple copied at least nine features Android has had for years with iOS 8. The one sided copy argument got old a long time ago. Not to mention the fact that Apple was never going to go above a 3.5 inch iPhone because that was the perfect size. At what point did it not become the perfect size? Maybe we should change the name of the forum to HI for Hypocrite Insider. Everyone copies including Apple. 

I think you're either ignorant or misinformed, but no one said 3.5" iPhone, but 3.5" screen. Also, Apple didn't say 3.5" screen was a perfect size, but the size of the phone which allows one-hand use. In fact, iPhone 4 and 5 sizes are actually narrower than iPhone and iPhone 3. That means Apple didn't violate that idea. If iPhone 6 with 4.7" screen is released as the purported one lately, it's still one-hand use (yes, I used HTC One M7 with 4.7" screen with one hand perfectly). If for human's sake that Apple makes 5.5" version, it's not intended for everyone, but an option for those with big hand or those who don't care of one-hand use. When we say "option", it means they have more than one size for people to choose...get it?

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nope. with all the manufacturers and app stores, it's anything but.


Apple's ecosystem is like a walled off Zen Garden. It's elegant, tranquil, well guarded, safe. Happiness is everywhere.

 

Android's walled-off area is NYC from Escape From New York. Yeah, there's some options, but do you really want to be there?

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Walt Mossberg (of The Wall Street Journal) wrote, "It's about the software, stupid" after writing about his first impressions of the original iPad.

The iPad hardware specs were heavily criticized by Apple's competitors who overlooked the unveiling of an innovative interface to Apple's dynamic ecosystem.

Even now as Apple's competitors are fixated on attractive hardware packages, their support and services systems languish waiting for Google to meet their hardware demands. What incentive does Google have when they're competing with their customers?

wow. That sounds awfully familiar.
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Has Apple ever changed strategy? Never going to me an iPad mini, iPhone was never going to be bigger than 3.5 inches. If we had a nickel for everything it was said "apple would never" lets just say we would have a lot of nickels. 


Steve Jobs didn't want an iPad Mini. Not Apple. Once Steve was gone, Tim had them move it into production. Steve was by no means perfect, so don't blame Apple for his mistakes. That being said, I'm sure he would have come around eventually.

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Another boring and horrible Android tablet. 1bugeye.gif

And what's with the 4:3?

Are they admitting that all 16:9 Android tablets suck donkey balls, like people have been saying for ages? I wonder what Fandroids have to say about that. They've been defending 16:9 forever.

Is it 4:3? Isn't 2480x1440 really 64:45 = 1.42:1? That is wider than 4:3 = 1.33:1.

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