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If Apple thinks that we all believe they plan to continue on with other Pro Apps they're crazy. Though I'm not excited about it, I'm headed full tilt into Adobe including their video software which will replace Final Cut Pro X. The integration of my stills and video was so important but they've given up so I'm doing the same. Don't want to but it's Adobe Premier and Lightroom full steam ahead. Lord, Adobe must be salivating! Isn't it great to not have any competition. Apple you've lost a lot of credibility in my mind. Truly disappointing. 

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Wow, this is pretty shocking. iPhoto I can definitely understand, keeping both would create too much confusion, redundancy, and complications. But Aperture? Seems that serves a completely different use. It does not even come with OSX, its an optional paid download, so I dont understand the need to eliminate it. There's probably alot we don't know, lately Apple has shown renewed focus on its pro apps, and I dont see them just dropping this with no alternative. 

Maybe room for Photos --> Photos Pro?

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post #83 of 218

As a hobbyist who uses Aperture weekly, I'm disappointed. Aperture was fairly revolutionary when introduced. Before that, it was basically Photoshop for everything which is overkill in most cases. They let others advance while they stood still. I wonder if Aperture was sacrificed to appease Adobe for Apple effectively killing Flash?

 

Edit: On the one hand, this is disappointing. On the other hand, Wall Street seems to like it and Apple's stock price bumped on the announcement so I guess that it pays for my transition. Too bad though as I liked the interface.


Edited by DaveN - 6/27/14 at 12:48pm
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Old Apple: What Steve Jobs with Steve Wozniak imagined beyond imagination.
New Apple: What Tim Cook thought HP turn into be before he left? To be fair to Tim though, this was a path began by Steve Jobs; he's just extending it.

The plot does rather remind me of that film, WALL-E, where everything is so dumbed down for people they forget how to even walk.

Seriously though, Adobe products are not intuitive in any way. Even Photoshop Elements, supposedly the simplest of their wares, has no logic behind it and files take up HUGE amounts of space, it's complicated, and the new pay model is scandalous. Why the competition authorities allowed them to buy up Macromedia I'll never know, but Fireworks was a very nice, easy to use graphics product.

The nice thing with Apple software has been that it is constructed by people who know how users think, everything is simple, but (in the past) not dumbed down - just really useful, productive and intuitive. Before iPhoto moved to Faces and Places it was even very quick to use as well - I don't use either and can remove neither either.

I don't actually have Aperture, but I was going to buy it eventually as my library is so big and Aperture allows separate control over Red, Blue and Green shading; I really hope the new Photos app allows this too - but judging from the name I am not hopeful of it containing anything worthwhile at all.
post #85 of 218
new Photos app instead of Aperture = FinalCutX for photos
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Old Apple: What Steve Jobs with Steve Wozniak imagined beyond imagination.
New Apple: What Tim Cook thought HP turn into be before he left? To be fair to Tim though, this was a path began by Steve Jobs; he's just extending it.
 

 

If you are to believe Jobs' version of the story there would be no Mac if Woz had his way.  We'd all be on Apple ~ 25XLC///8's.  Understandably Woz didn't want to abandon the classic platform.

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post #87 of 218
2 words: BACK UP.
Don't trust Apple's history with migration for photos one bit.
 
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Bottom line, never rely on Apple apps for business...

I remember when Lion Server ($19.99) "replaced" Snow Leopard Server ($499 & up).

I was stunned at the level of bugginess in a released product.

That was the biggest waste of $20 in my life.

All the tech firms abandon platforms and infrastructure all the time, but Apple is notorious for burning its "partners".
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A killer feature ... would be to have an option for your own "cloud" storage location

Products from Synology do this at a fraction of the cost of an Apple-based server.
post #90 of 218

Apple giving the finger to its pro users once again....

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I’ll hold you to that. I hope beyond hope myself that Photos is a replacement to Aperture, but shipping freely with every Mac, I seriously doubt it. I doubt if it will even have RAW support.

Really leads me to believe that you’re wrong.

It was posted on TechCrunch.

As for RAW support, Mac OS X supports RAW, so for example, it works in iPhoto.

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4. I hear good things about Lightroom. Which is surreal to me, since everything I have personally experienced from Adobe in recent years has been negative! But it's nice to have options.

I agree with your point. A lot of Adobe software feels very 'old' to me, as though the code base for long-standing features has never been updated. They also take forever to install many files in many places. Lightroom is different: AIUI, it was developed as a new native Cocoa (ie Mac OS X) product; the Windows version has always been a port from the Mac product rather than the usual other way round.

 

I have been using LR since it was first released as a public beta and I love it. At the time, I evaluated LR against Aperture and concluded that Aperture looked better but was full of bugs (it had a terrible reputation at first, if you remember). Now, I'm a convinced LR person and can't really judge Aperture, though I do use it for photo book creation. LR is superb for a fast, efficient workflow from camera to library to finished picture, however you want to use it. Its print, book, web and slideshow capabilities are rudimentary compared to Aperture/iPhoto. I do hope that the apparent Apple/Adobe co-operation will bring photo stream to LR though.

 

It's also the case, though Adobe rather hide it, that you can still buy the product outright rather than pay monthly for CC (at least in the UK, I just checked and it's £102 for the current version).

[Edit:corrected price]


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post #93 of 218
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Boo... Although, to be fair, I've thought about moving to Lightroom anyway especially with their new mobile iPad version.

 

Anyone know how easy it is to migrate one's Aperture library to Lightroom?

There is no migration tool. The easiest and simplest way is to STOP using Aperture at 17:00, and at 17:01 use Lightroom to process your photos. The time is irrelevant, as I was using it to make a point, but none the less, keep Aperture on your Mac for historical purposes but process from the future forward only in LR. 

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Aperture hasn't been "better" than Lightroom for ages. 

Define better? LR has had a better feature set for years. The modular approach is a bit wonky but for the most part LR out performs Aperture in that it does not crash or hang nearly as much. 

post #95 of 218
As somebody who has 30,000+ photos from years of iPhoto use organized into events and albums, I sure hope the organization function in Photos doesn't break this organization, or faces data and other meta data. That would destroy a large portion of my faith in Apple. The organization in the Photos app on iOS is awful and it looks like they are trying to bite off of that.
post #96 of 218
This is such bad news on so many levels.
Apple is loosing it's way if it doesn't understand the flow on importance of keeping Pro's on the platform with class leading native applications.
Apple's drip feed updates to Aperture and iWork over the last four years have been a huge mistake. Had those App's been funded properly they could have become mind blowing by now.
The been counters seem to be running the show now. Which is a worrying sign because you can't put a price on all the intangible benefits you get from having the pro end of the market.
What a shame that Apple throws the towel in to Adobe.
post #97 of 218
I use Aperture in a mixed environment: photos reside in a managed lib on my SSD, videos are referenced and stored on HDD. I don't think Apple will have options like these carried over from Aperture to this new Photos application, but would love to be surprised. Then again, if they are working on a migration tool to LR I'm not going to hold my breath. Which is a long one anyway; "early next year". The should've handled this better, especially after their TaDa moment they gave to FCP users.

Transitioning to Photos might retain custom metadata, specific to Aperture, but I doubt it will work when moving to LR. RAW updates for new cameras? Doubt it.

Many disappointed people, obviously:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6421815
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6421728
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6421756
http://petapixel.com/2014/06/27/breaking-apple-officially-kills-aperture/



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Edit: a pretty good write up from one of Apertures software devs, Joseph at his site apertureexpert.com

http://www.apertureexpert.com/tips/2014/6/27/aperture-dead-long-live-photos#.U63mZNoaySM
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post #98 of 218
This actually makes sense to me and I'm rather happy as iPhoto makes me angry!
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I am one of those who has been using Aperture from version 1.0. I hate Lightroom because it imposes a workflow and interface on you that just doesn't make sense to me. I love Aperture and have been hoping upon hope that we would see lens corrections and real non destructive plugin support. I am seriously shocked at this unofficial way of announcing such an important decision. They could have just as well announced this years ago or say so clearly now that photos will be a worthy successor. The description above is just faff!


"crushed" - I too am in the same boat as so many are as of today. I am upset to hear this from a second source opposed to Apple directly. It's time that Apple step up to the plate and tell us who they intend their customers be from ...Pool #1: Consumers of iWhatevers Only or Pool # 2: Prosumers and professionals that require incredibly stable and solid software that their businesses can trust. I tried Lightroom so many times in the hopes i would get it. I never did but I tried. It's one thing to reveal in all its splendour a new MacBook or iPad that blows away the public and defies all established rumours prior to its launch. It's another things to break the chain of trust that is implied with $299 then $199 then $89 upgrades that stake you to a suite or specific application. In fact I like so many have developed a 'trusted' workflow of Importing>tweaking>external filters>exporting > backups that as of today is officially broken and broken hard. And to think I just took delivery of an all-out 27" iMac, 3 TB hardrive with Fusion tech and 16 gig's of ram just to push Aperture even harder than I had already been doing. I feel so let down.

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It's also the case, though Adobe rather hide it, that you can still buy the product outright rather than pay monthly for CC (at least in the UK, I just checked and it's £102 for the current version).

[Edit:corrected price]

 

That's right and even the subscription for Lightroom + Photoshop isn't crazy at around £9 a month. Compared to the cost of most lenses, it's peanuts.

post #101 of 218

I am surprised but I am excited about the new Photos application for OSX Yosemite - it looks like a slimmed version of Lightroom/Aperture which may be the only thing I need and use photoshop for retouching. 

post #102 of 218
I wish I were as sanguine as some who are somewhat confident that Photos will meaningfully incorporate Aperture functionality. Indeed, the statement from Apple, that "it is working with Adobe to help users transition to its Lightroom app for Mac," suggest quite the contrary.

I have not looked yet but now I am very interested in alternatives to Lightroom. I just can't envision more of Adobe's blightware on my systems.
post #103 of 218

Maybe the Pixelmator guys/gals will make a companion product that manages photos. 

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post #104 of 218

Apple wouldn't be working with Adobe to transition customers to Lightroom, unless something significant will be missing from Photos (and legacy Aperture under Yosemite) for a very long time.

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There is no migration tool. The easiest and simplest way is to STOP using Aperture at 17:00, and at 17:01 use Lightroom to process your photos. The time is irrelevant, as I was using it to make a point, but none the less, keep Aperture on your Mac for historical purposes but process from the future forward only in LR. 

 

That's what I feared, and the reason why I've continued to stick to Aperture as long as I have (that and the hope that Aperture 4 was on its way).

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This actually makes sense to me and I'm rather happy as iPhoto makes me angry!

That is because you don't make money shooting, and processing photos. iPhoto is not a pro app and never was meant to be. 

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I wish I were as sanguine as some who are somewhat confident that Photos will meaningfully incorporate Aperture functionality. Indeed, the statement from Apple, that "it is working with Adobe to help users transition to its Lightroom app for Mac," suggest quite the contrary.

I have not looked yet but now I am very interested in alternatives to Lightroom. I just can't envision more of Adobe's blightware on my systems.

The people here that are so quick to make this assumption are under the gun to produce wedding photos for customers but are snapshot photographers who have very little idea about pro apps.

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Apple wouldn't be working with Adobe to transition customers to Lightroom, unless something significant will be missing from Photos (and legacy Aperture under Yosemite) for a very long time.

That's right. Photos will basically be iPhoto with a new GUI and a cloud backend, and Aperture is discontinued.

post #109 of 218
Dear AppleInsider:

You say --

"Apple also said it is working with Adobe to help users transition to its Lightroom app for Mac."

Could you please provide a quote from Apple, or a news release, indicating this?

You seem to be referring to the TechCrunch article, in which ADOBE says it'll help people move to their products.

Yet you seem to have flipped that around, claiming APPLE is helping people move...to a competitor? This makes absolutely no sense.

So please, AppleInsider -- Who at Apple claimed this, or where can we read it, from Apple, for ourselves?
post #110 of 218
I'm not really looking forward to switching over to Lightroom, from the folks that bring you "update once a week" Flash and Reader.
post #111 of 218
here's a CRAZY idea:

with Apple opening up the iPhones Photo app to 3rd parties and the new continuity ideal that They're is pushing, what IF the iPhone Photos app and the Yosemite Photos app are %100 compatible?

This would be killer because all apps you've installed and used on your iPhone could be synced to your Mac's photos app.

So basically every app you purchase will act as a plug-in or "add on" to your Mac's photo app just like iPhone with all apps being %100 compatible with both platforms.

With Apple opening up the stock Photos app for 3rd parties and removing the "i" in iPhoto this makes perfect sense. I can see the app store booming with this possibility and 3rd parties happier than even. Only Apple
could pull this off at the moment with Windows taking a fair amount of PC market share but their phones sales failing terribly, google is in the exact opposite situation. Only Apple has sufficient phone AND computer users to pull this off.

This is pleasing to the consumers because like myself, not everyone needs an expensive photo suite. Some people just need a simple filter while others may want to cherry-pick certain features for their business.

The simplicity, customization and ability to edit your photos on the go is a much more appealing idea to me than purchasing Arpeture or Lightroom.
post #112 of 218
That's terrible news!
Without competition, we're going to see some price hikes on adobe's products...
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post #114 of 218
I wasn't aware they were developing Aperture at all. I am using Aperture on an old computer, I wonder if I should be replacing it sooner than I'd like.

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Damn... I don't use either one (I prefer GIMP for cross-platform compatibility), but there's a lot of folks who do professionally. I know a few, and I bet they're all going to say the same thing:"WTF?"

I don't think GIMP is even a remotely similar program, what they do don't overlap very much in functionality.
post #115 of 218
We're loosing control of our hardware and software to big brother (the "cloud") by doing. Away with CD/DVD software up grades apple knows all the software that's on our computer,
Then we learned that our gear could be turned on remotely to include audio and video, the more we store in the cloud, the less control we have...
Now with all our photos stored on line they'll have a field day with facial recognition software. I heard that they love all the pictures you put into your address book. They now have a fave you supplied with all the personal Dara you listed. Big Brother loves the " cloud"
It would be nice to have a manual kill switch to disable, your mic, camera, even computer, iPhone etc.
The cloud is NOT secure! Every day we read third parties , let alone the NSA steal data.
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That's right and even the subscription for Lightroom + Photoshop isn't crazy at around £9 a month. Compared to the cost of most lenses, it's peanuts.

Yeah, but the problem of perpetually renting the software instead of owning it is that it could refuse to work if it can't phone home to Adobe, as happened a few months ago.

post #117 of 218
I'm hoping we can still keep the photos local (with backups of course), and not be forced to upload them to the cloud. For many reasons, I still don't like keeping personal photos in the cloud. Not that there are any overtly sensitive pics on there (too old for that these days), but I worry about hacking, security issues, etc, with pics of grandchildren, lifestyle, personal possessions, and especially gps enabled pics. Thats why I turned all that stuff off on flickr. (and thats becoming way too different than its original intent)
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Wow, this is pretty shocking. iPhoto I can definitely understand, keeping both would create too much confusion, redundancy, and complications. But Aperture? Seems that serves a completely different use. It does not even come with OSX, its an optional paid download, so I dont understand the need to eliminate it. There's probably alot we don't know, lately Apple has shown renewed focus on its pro apps, and I dont see them just dropping this with no alternative. 

 

Apple's become what they are today by focusing on stuff they can sell in quantity and make good $$ on.  Obviously not enough people were buying Aperture. 

(They keep the Pro around for its halo effect and to provide a path for pros who outgrow their mass offerings... ...but that remains viable because it will run the shit out of Adobe's stuff as well.)

 

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Although surprising that Apple is leaving the Pro market after releasing their new Mac Pro, more surprising is the fact they are leaving the "i" for just Photos. I wonder if this is going to be a broader move across all apps. 

 

Buying Adobe would be really cool and I think fits well with Apple. Starts with A, ends with E, same amount of letters... :) 

 

Of the possible BIG pair-ups out there that could work for Apple, I've long felt Adobe was the most likely candidate.  Not a guaranteed marriage made under the stars, but it could work out...

 

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I am one of those who has been using Aperture from version 1.0. I hate Lightroom because it imposes a workflow and interface on you that just doesn't make sense to me.

 

If Apple had decided to go the iTunes route (iTunes on Windows got me to buy my first Mac) and make things like Aperture standards in the digital world they might have gotten the buy-in and volume that they needed since this was a product that went head to head against Adobe. 

 

But given that a sizable portion of the Photoshop pro base had no access to Aperture, while the whole base could use Lightroom, making it a "default workflow" (for better or worse), I'd say the outcome was inevitable.

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I remember when Lion Server ($19.99) "replaced" Snow Leopard Server ($499 & up).

I was stunned at the level of bugginess in a released product.

That was the biggest waste of $20 in my life.

All the tech firms abandon platforms and infrastructure all the time, but Apple is notorious for burning its "partners".

I'm almost ashamed to admit how many hours I've wasted trying to get that server software working. I bought the first Mini that came with the server software as a "hobby" to teach myself about servers. SLS had a little bit of a learning curve, but Lion Server was an embarrassment. I wasted so much time trying to figure out what I did wrong only to find out it wasn't me most of the time.

Sever is finally getting to a point where it is again usable. That's what almost three years? Even Mavericks Server had some incredible bugs in it that weren't addressed until six months later!
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post #120 of 218

All Apple pro apps are in danger of being discontinued, If it cannot be run in iCloud  it will be EOLed.

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