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Mail app still sucks, but i now think it must be Google or the overparanoia people behind it. I hate Google. Talk about hubris.
OS X Yosemite actually looks like shite. Yes, it does. Nothing is good about making something look like paper and flat. Nothing is better then depth, color, and 3D.

Same story as with Logic Pro X.
Logic Pro X still can't audio warp audio files automatically in the arrange window or in the preview, like like every other professional DAW can. It's a freaking standard!
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Apple should simply stop supporting all things Google on OS X and iOS. How long do Apple have to pretend to care about Google? Is that too radical of me?

 

I'd be fine with them not caring about anything Google does that isn't part of an international standard and for which Apple doesn't already have a better alternative.

 

WebM, for example, is Google's disgusting attempt at controlling Internet video. Apple doesn't support it (Perian, which still works in 10.10, does), nor should they.

 

I vaguely remember Google saying that they would stop converting YouTube videos to MP4 going forward and only do it to WebM. I think, however, that this didn't come to pass–probably for antitrust reasons.

 

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Why do you jump on anyone who claims that Apple's software isn't perfect?

 

I don't. Why do people have to lie about Apple's software, either from a standpoint of ignorance or idiocy? All I care about is Truth.

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Apple should simply stop supporting all things Google on OS X and iOS. How long do Apple have to pretend to care about Google? Is that too radical of me?

I'd be fine with them not caring about anything Google does that isn't part of an international standard and for which Apple doesn't already have a better alternative.

WebM, for example, is Google's disgusting attempt at controlling Internet video. Apple doesn't support it (Perian, which still works in 10.10, does), nor should they.

I vaguely remember Google saying that they would stop converting YouTube videos to MP4 going forward and only do it to WebM. I think, however, that this didn't come to pass–probably for antitrust reasons.
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Why do you jump on anyone who claims that Apple's software isn't perfect?

I don't. Why do people have to lie about Apple's software, either from a standpoint of ignorance or idiocy? All I care about is Truth.

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I mustn't keep quoting your posts—AI might get annoyed—but I'm feeling curious. 😃
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Has anyone determined what is non-complient about Gmail IMAP? I don't use Mail on OS X so I have no first hand knowledge but apparently IMAP on Gmail works fine on iOS, Gnome RedHat, and Outlook on Windows. What other mail clients are encountering problems with Gmail other than Mail on OS X?

Outlook on Windows gives an error (993 I believe) "IMAP server closed the connection imap.gmail.com ..."

Happening for (not four) years now, Google does nothing about it.

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/vf3o9z-hkTA%5B1-25-false%5D

Many people don't want to use it due to technical limitations, like this one:
"Gmail normally sorts email only by conversations (threads), which can be a problem for large conversations. For example, if a user sends a query to a large group of people, all of the responses are stored in a single conversation that is impossible to break apart. There is no way to search for responses from one user without getting the entire conversation. While deletion of individual emails is possible, most operations, such as archiving and labeling, can be performed only on whole conversations. Conversations cannot be split up or combined. As a result of complaints from some users, Google made conversation view optional starting September 29, 2010, but there is currently no method to split individual conversations."
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Maybe @Lorin Schultz has an answer for your DAW issue. For your other issues just look into a mirror and you will be able to resolve those.
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Maybe @Lorin Schultz has an answer for your DAW issue. For your other issues just look into a mirror and you will be able to resolve those.

 

I reported 1100101's insulting posts. I trust he will be banned soon.

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I reported 1100101's insulting posts. I trust he will be banned soon.

 

Oh I don't know, it is sorta fun having a foul-mouthed 11 year-old around :)

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I don't. Why do people have to lie about Apple's software, either from a standpoint of ignorance or idiocy? All I care about is Truth.
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Look, Mavericks on the whole is a fine product, and probably the best OS X release since Snow Leopard overall. However, its version of Mail.app is wonky in ways that Mountain Lion's wasn't and Yosemite's hopefully won't be, and not only when dealing with Google's servers, and that's just a fact.

Your posting style has very little to do with "Truth" in any context other than an Orwellian or possibly religious fundamentalist one. Basically, all you ever do is shower abuse on anyone who ever points out any flaw in any thing Apple does, no matter how minor. Most rational people would cede that Apple is run by humans just like anything else, and that they're going to make the occasional mistake. Mail.app in Mavericks is one of those. So was the sleep bug, which I'm really glad that 10.9.4 has fixed.
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Originally Posted by Durandal1707 View Post
Look, Mavericks...

 

We’re not talking about Mavericks. Why is it that people can’t read posts before replying to them? Do they think we won’t notice?

 
Basically, all you ever do is...

 

Yeah, okay. Enjoy that fantasy world of yours! Maybe just stop lying, then.

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Where did you get this nonsense anyway? What slowness? There was no ‘slowness’ to be fixed. I swear to God, what makes you think that because you have an unstable system everybody else does too? Complete baloney.

Typical geek blames user nonsense. Don't bother using that crap on me because I'm not an insecure end user like you're used to insulting.
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Because it isn't broken. There is nothing wrong with Mail and IMAP. It's Google's problem.

I don't care who's problem it really is. I see IMAP problems on other providers (I don't use Mail with gmail). If it's incompatibility with other mail clients or mail servers, Apple needs to do compatibility testing and come up with solutions. Pressuring other providers into fixing non-standard IMAP execution is certainly within their ability, if not their will.
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Outlook on Windows gives an error (993 I believe) "IMAP server closed the connection imap.gmail.com ..."
 

We've been using daily IMAP Gmail with Outlook with no issues.

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We’re not talking about Mavericks. Why is it that people can’t read posts before replying to them? Do they think we won’t notice?
Thread title: "Apple releases OS X Mavericks 10.9.4 with fixes for Wi-Fi, wake from sleep"

In this specific discussion, we were talking about Mavericks' version of Mail.app.
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Yeah, okay. Enjoy that fantasy world of yours! Maybe just stop lying, then.
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How old are you, 12?
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Originally Posted by Durandal1707 View Post
How old are you, 12?

 

Well, children are known for better imaginations, retreating into fantasy worlds and such.

 

What did you name yours? “Durandal is never wrong-land”? Because you’re wrong about the claims you’re making. Seems pretty simple to comprehend.

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Well, children are known for better imaginations, retreating into fantasy worlds and such.

What did you name yours? “Durandal is never wrong-land”? Because you’re wrong about the claims you’re making. Seems pretty simple to comprehend.
I've had to quit and relaunch Mavericks' Mail.app in order to get new messages on standard IMAP servers running Courier that are not Gmail. Seems pretty simple to understand to me.

I'm going to go talk to adults now. Run along and play.
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Originally Posted by Durandal1707 View Post
I've had to quit and relaunch Mavericks' Mail.app in order to get new messages on standard IMAP servers running Courier that are not Gmail. Seems pretty simple to understand to me.

 

Okay. Maybe stick to your original claim when discussing something. Tends to make people want to care about what you’re saying.

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Okay. Maybe stick to your original claim when discussing something. Tends to make people want to care about what you’re saying.
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Anyway, to answer your question, Mail.app in 10.9.3 often seemed to get stuck in a state where it doesn't detect new mail coming in. Quitting the app and restarting it was sometimes necessary to get it to notice that you'd gotten an e-mail, and otherwise it'd just happily claim there were no new messages. It was pretty irritating if you were waiting for an important e-mail and wondering why it hadn't come in yet, only to find out that it actually had, but Mail.app wasn't registering it. Whether 10.9.4 will fix this, only time will tell. The Yosemite e-mail client is reportedly a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Durandal1707 View Post
Bye.

 

No, no one is foolish enough to fall for your crap. “I’m leaving; therefore I’m right” won’t save you.

 

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Your posting style has very little to do with "Truth" in any context other than an Orwellian or possibly religious fundamentalist one. Basically, all you ever do is shower abuse on anyone who ever points out any flaw in any thing Apple does, no matter how minor.

 

Prove your lies.

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Outlook on Windows gives an error (993 I believe) "IMAP server closed the connection imap.gmail.com ..."

 
We've been using daily IMAP Gmail with Outlook with no issues.

Well there we have it, sort of proving that Mail on OSX workshop just fine. Because your Outlook works ok, mine doesn't, so it looks like these cases are isolated from the majority. The stupid thing is we go months without any issues, and then it returns, without any indication as to why it returned. The only thing that PC is doing is updating when MS releases updates. Completely unrelated to the 993 error, closing an IMAP session.

Oh well, not my PC anyway.
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Maybe you need your Mac fixing. Try Disk Warrior.

The other ten clients running Mavericks in my office. We all suffer from the same problems. Even my home machines have the problem.

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post #61 of 69
I've found that a decent email app is one you have to pay for. I didn't even use Apple Mail *before* I purchased Unibox (which is a great%u2014if a bit beta at this point%u2014app) because a) it didn't work, b) it's about as customizable as a human limb, and c) it was (is) hideous.
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Safari seems snappier.

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Hi guys,

Does anyone know more information about the fix to "some computers re-connecting to known networks"?

My mum's computer is having similar problems (a late 2010 Macbook Air) and I'm trying to diagnose this remotely which is very difficult since she has no internet access...

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Hi guys,

Does anyone know more information about the fix to "some computers re-connecting to known networks"?

My mum's computer is having similar problems (a late 2010 Macbook Air) and I'm trying to diagnose this remotely which is very difficult since she has no internet access...

 

You may get better luck if you repost under Genius Bar/Mac Hardware.

 

Presuming she's on Mavericks, Network Preferences (in System Preferences) is probably where she needs to go. Then Assist Me or Diagnostics. Diagnostics will attempt to force the Mac to connect.

 

There are others here who may give you more detailed advice.

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post #65 of 69
Dear Apple, So this is supposed to fix the wake from sleep problem...right. Here's a clue. It didn't. Still happens. Try again.
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"OS X 10.9.4 only received two betas before Monday's launch to the public. The first developer beta was supplied at the end of May."

Afaik this is the cycle of betas for 10.9.4

1) an internal beta seed on May 2nd,
2) 13E9 on May 27th (a bit contentious, this was yanked almost immediately, to be replaced by a 13E9a) you never reported on it, reddit an other channels did ,
3) 13E16 on June 11th (http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/11/apple-releases-os-x-1094-mavericks-beta-with-new-focus-areas-safari-705-seed),
4) 13E19 on June 19th (http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/19/apple-issues-os-x-1094-mavericks-beta-to-developers-with-no-major-changes) and
5) 13E25 on June 26th (http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/25/apple-issues-os-x-1094-mavericks-beta-to-developers-with-no-major-changes).

That's 5 betas, 4 when not counting the internal seed.
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The other ten clients running Mavericks in my office. We all suffer from the same problems. Even my home machines have the problem.

No reason to assume all drives in question don't have directory issues. It's rare to find one that doesn't. If they don't after trying Disk Warrior I'd suggest trying Aperture, it's going to around for a while.
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I never experienced the network problem on my iMac, but my MBA was another story. It would lose the connection if I closed it for just 5 minutes and not find it when back on, unless I selected the correct network manually. Installed the update last night, and that seems to have fixed it. Everything else appears to be fine.
post #69 of 69
Still haven't fixed remembering multiple monitor arrangement. What a goddamn pain in the butt. Apple, WTF.
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