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 Even still, I'm not quite sure if they are comparable, but there are plenty of freeware movie editors out there.

 

They all suck in comparison.

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You're right, I was mistaken in my brightness specs. The S III is only 224 cd/m2, not 283. 

 

http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm

At the end of the day, if you are happy with the phone you have chosen, what anyone else says is irrelevant. My next phone certainly wont be a Samsung.

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Your conclusion is a guess, but in any case you're just pointing out what many of us already have - that battery life is largely a function of the size of the battery (and therefore, the device.) So it's grossly misleading to run ad campaigns portraying iPhones as having poor battery life when that comparison is only possible against Android devices that are considerably larger and heavier. 

Oh most defiantly and I in no way did I  run this test very scientifically, just loaded three movies and pushed play. I just wanted to point out that Android isn't as inefficient as the poster I was commenting too was trying to imply. By the way the Nexus 5 is only 10 grams heavier then the iPhone 5s, that's about half the weight of a tooth brush so it's not much. Dimensions are also not so dramatically apart, 137.84 x 69.17 x 8.59 mm vs. 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm.

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If you're intent on sticking with Android, at least get an attractive phone like the HTC One or one without all the crapware, like the Nexus.

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If you're intent on sticking with Android, at least get an attractive phone like the HTC One or one without all the crapware, like the Nexus.

Oh its going to be the Nexus for me. The pure Android experience without all the crapware. Btw what is defined as crapware? Is it  "software put on the phone by the manufacture that the user deems a waste of storage space" ?? 

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Oh most defiantly and I in no way did I  run this test very scientifically, just loaded three movies and pushed play. I just wanted to point out that Android isn't as inefficient as the poster I was commenting too was trying to imply. By the way the Nexus 5 is only 10 grams heavier then the iPhone 5s, that's about half the weight of a tooth brush so it's not much. Dimensions are also not so dramatically apart, 137.84 x 69.17 x 8.59 mm vs. 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm.


What I find amusing about these arguments is how the Android side is always moving the goal post to support their arguments. If we're talking about the Nexus 5, then the entire battery life argument goes down the drain...

 

"... the iPhone 5s lasted six hours and 15 minutes. The Nexus 5 lasted four hours and 43 minutes. That's 33 percent longer for the iPhone."

http://www.gizmag.com/iphone-5s-vs-nexus-5-comparison-review/30616/

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They all suck in comparison.

Please elaborate on what points they all suck.

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Oh its going to be the Nexus for me. The pure Android experience without all the crapware. Btw what is defined as crapware? Is it  "software put on the phone by the manufacture that the user deems a waste of storage space" ?? 

 

By the manufacturer and/or by the cell carrier. Same as all the junk installed on most Windows PCs that customers then have to pay a fee to have removed. 

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What I find amusing about these arguments is how the Android side is always moving the goal post to support their arguments. If we're talking about the Nexus 5, then the entire battery life argument goes down the drain...

 

"... the iPhone 5s lasted six hours and 15 minutes. The Nexus 5 lasted four hours and 43 minutes. That's 33 percent longer for the iPhone."

http://www.gizmag.com/iphone-5s-vs-nexus-5-comparison-review/30616/

WOAH that's kind of makes my idea of getting a nexus a bit mad now. I might have to go with a MOTO G because get a load of this....

 

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Please elaborate on what points they all suck.


Sorry that's for another day. Do a Google search and compare usability and functionality between iMovie and its competitors, especially free ones. Also note that once you're comfortable with iMovie you can upgrade to the professional level Final Cut Pro X which has a similar UI. Try going from Windows Movie Maker to any professional grade video editing software on Windows and let me know how the learning curve goes.

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Buy a Mac.  No need to search for freeware.

 

Out of the box:  organise and edit photos, organise and edit movies, create presentations, create documents, create spreadsheets, create music, organise and listen to music, video chat... of course, net, mail, messages, reminders.

 

​Many of these apps share libraries, so you can access photos, movies, music from other apps, and even edit photos again  in the new app using almost identical interfaces as in the original editor.

 

Seriously, you need to try a Mac to find out just how easy it is.

 

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WOAH that's kind of makes my idea of getting a nexus a bit mad now. I might have to go with a MOTO G because get a load of this....

 


Better stock up on memory cards if you get the 8GB Moto G. Also, if you take a lot of pictures with your phone, the Moto G's camera isn't the best...

 

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-1199218/review/6

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If you're intent on sticking with Android, at least get an attractive phone like the HTC One or one without all the crapware, like the Nexus.

Crapware? The Nexus and Google Play phones are the only Android phones without the addition of unnecessary software. The HTC One comes loaded to the gills with the crap. I will only buy an Android device if it has Nexus written across the back, third party developers have done nothing but destroy the Android platform, specifically Samsung and HTC. Sense is one of the worst skins I have ever used, not as bad as TouchWiz but pretty darn close. If I was to buy an HTC One M8, it would only be the Google Play addition.

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WOAH that's kind of makes my idea of getting a nexus a bit mad now. I might have to go with a MOTO G because get a load of this....

 

The new L developers build adds an additional 2 hours to that number, increases battery by 36 percent. It's still in development but so far the build has been extremely stable.

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Better stock up on memory cards if you get the 8GB Moto G. Also, if you take a lot of pictures with your phone, the Moto G's camera isn't the best...

 

http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/moto-g-1199218/review/6

The Moto G comes in a 16Gb version and in any case, I have a 100gb storage on Google Drive. As for the camera, its meant for quick pictures. If i want to take pictures I intend to develop and frame, I will use my proper camera that isnt a mobile phone.

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The Pontiac Aztec gets better fuel economy than a BMW M3.

Guess that automatically makes it the better and more desirable of the two.

 

 

Pontiac Aztec

19 city / 26 highway

 

BMW M3

14 city / 20 highway

 

 

Although the BMW has much more style, both are ugly.

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LOL!!! I LOVE IT!!! F'ing brilliant Samsung! I guess that's why your users aren't "wall huggers", they're actually "pole huggers" LOL!

 

Hasn't Samsung used dancers in past ads. ;-)

 

Microsoft have with their Surface advertisements. Dung beetles are indiscriminate with their dung-hills (though Relic is a good dung beetle).

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In iOS7?!?! I don't see anything like that. It shows "Battery percentage" but it's only a switch. 

My apologies. I am referring to iOS 8. I should have prefaced my comment with the sentence "It is." to be more clear that I was backing up your comment.


 
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Are you running iOS8 on your primary phone? How stable is it?

It's been very buggy for me. In fact, I noticed that I had run out of nearly all my storage but the amount of used space in Settings didn't add up so last night I plugged it into iTunes and say that 70% of my device was used by Other which is typically used by the OS. I backed it up and then restored. I now have 60% of that space back. I assume we'll get the 3rd beta next Tuesday.

 

 

Interesting sneak preview! I imagine that having Background refresh on adds to the battery drain. Is that borne out with you?

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The thing about swapping out batteries is that you have to turn off and reboot the phone. I'm not sure what happens when you power down an iPhone, if it is still using the battery in some capacity or not, but removing the battery from a device that has valuable data on it would make me a little nervous.

I forgot to plug in my phone last night and it had about 20% charge this morning. After about 15 minutes plugged in it was mostly charged back up, at least to the level where I would be able to make it through the day. The point is that if it charges so quickly, battery management is not so daunting of an issue in my opinion, especially on a routine day. Traveling is always a different situation. Then you need to be more conservative and attentive to conserving your battery. I always have a MBP and an iPad in addition to my iPhone when traveling so I can balance my usage among the various devices during the day.
Oh no doubt, I have to say I really like wireless charging now though. I have this pillow looking thing on my night stand that I just set my Nokia 1020 on top of and it's charged to like 80 percent in 20 min. I also have the Camera Grip cover with built in battery, super awesome accessory, because of it I actually only have to charge my phone too full once every three to four days.

Why don't you simply plug in a cable? Your wireless charging example is moronic.
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post #300 of 322

Samsung has done its job with this ad: it got you all the talk endlessly about the iPhone's battery life.

FUD should be treated as disinformation: ignored.


Edited by Suddenly Newton - 7/6/14 at 12:20pm

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Well, perhaps loosely based on Linux and also Java, but that is not any more of a negative than OS X being based on Free BSD and Darwin, both open source. I'm not saying Android is wonderful, only that your logic is flawed
You're 100% correct on that, however, if memory serves, Linux is a derivative of UNIX, which was originally a mainframe OS back in the day. I would argue that the foundation of UNIX OS's is far more robust than what Linux can offer.

Also, almost all apps written for iOS and OS X are written in native programming languages, whilst most Android apps are based on Java ME and are rarely coded in any native language to take full advantage of the hardware, and are forced to run in a compartmentalized VM environment, further crippling them.

Also, OS X is so far removed from thsoe early days of inception, that it has flourished into it's own, commercial-grade product.
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You're 100% correct on that, however, if memory serves, Linux is a derivative of UNIX, which was originally a mainframe OS back in the day. I would argue that the foundation of UNIX OS's is far more robust than what Linux can offer.

Also, almost all apps written for iOS and OS X are written in native programming languages, whilst most Android apps are based on Java ME and are rarely coded in any native language to take full advantage of the hardware, and are forced to run in a compartmentalized VM environment, further crippling them.

Also, OS X is so far removed from thsoe early days of inception, that it has flourished into it's own, commercial-grade product.

Linux is just as robust as Unix is, actually in a lot of cases more so as it's development community overshadows that of a modern Unix OS such as Solaris or AIX. I'm still a huge fan of Unix though and still have a SGI workstation that I use for video editing and programming.
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Apples to oranges comparison. It's no shocker that a phone with a larger, heavier battery gets more battery life. The Moto G includes a battery with 32% greater capacity and is 28% heavier than the iPhone 5s. That's like shoving a bigger gas tank on a car and claiming better fuel economy as a result.

You are absolutely correct. That a particular phone has a longer battery life than another with a different OS does not prove the OS deserves all the credit for it.. 1wink.gif

Now with that out of the way Google has done a lot of testing and data collection to discover ways that battery life can be significantly extended. The upcoming Android "L" version will apparently be reaping some of the rewards of that work.
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...I shouldn't be surprised to see deceptive arguments from a Samsung admirer.
Me a Samsung admirer? LOL! You must make it up as you go along.

 

You admire Google; therefore, you admire Samsung.

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You admire Google; therefore, you admire Samsung.

Hold on. how the h3ll does that sum work? By admiring Google one must automatically admire Samsung.  Please enlighten me with your formula. 

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The problem with that benchmark is it is executing a "looping" javascript. The biggest problem with doing that is that the iPhone (being several times faster than android hardware) is doing considerably more work (rather than "actual use" where 90% (or better) of javascript execution load is as the page loads and renders) The creators of this list (and benchmark) are undoubtedly aware of the "penalty" put the far far faster iPhone 5 under but are more interested in promoting android ($$$ & fanboy points) tha anything else.

 

Android takes a heavy toll on hardware, to come close to "real" runtime (on an iPhone 5) android powered hardware will need to be twice twice the size (and likely 50% or more heavier). And will also be far slower hardware.

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Well, perhaps loosely based on Linux and also Java, but that is not any more of a negative than OS X being based on Free BSD and Darwin, both open source. I'm not saying Android is wonderful, only that your logic is flawed
You're 100% correct on that, however, if memory serves, Linux is a derivative of UNIX, which was originally a mainframe OS back in the day. I would argue that the foundation of UNIX OS's is far more robust than what Linux can offer.

Also, almost all apps written for iOS and OS X are written in native programming languages, whilst most Android apps are based on Java ME and are rarely coded in any native language to take full advantage of the hardware, and are forced to run in a compartmentalized VM environment, further crippling them.

Also, OS X is so far removed from thsoe early days of inception, that it has flourished into it's own, commercial-grade product.

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The problem with that benchmark is it is executing a "looping" javascript. The biggest problem with doing that is that the iPhone (being several times faster than android hardware) is doing considerably more work (rather than "actual use" where 90% (or better) of javascript execution load is as the page loads and renders) The creators of this list (and benchmark) are undoubtedly aware of the "penalty" put the far far faster iPhone 5 under but are more interested in promoting android ($$$ & fanboy points) tha anything else.

 

Android takes a heavy toll on hardware, to come close to "real" runtime (on an iPhone 5) android powered hardware will need to be twice twice the size (and likely 50% or more heavier). And will also be far slower hardware.


That's very interesting. I've never heard of this before and it doesn't surprise me. Are there any articles you can point to that discuss this issue?

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You admire Google; therefore, you admire Samsung.

You obviously have not visited not one single Android forum ever, because you'd read plenty of hate filled comments towards Samsung.
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You obviously have not visited not one single Android forum ever…

 

That’s right; we’re not insane. :lol:

 

Post some! The more hate toward Samsung the better.

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You admire Google; therefore, you admire Samsung.

You apparently don't pay any attention to anything I've previously posted before commenting. 1hmm.gif
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Not really sure what you want. These kind of benchmarks use a javascript as a "busy box" to keep the phone "active (to keep it from going into power saving mode. This is an ok thing to do when comparing like things. However the iPhone 5 is several times faster than android phones, therefore in keeping it "busy" it does several times the work that the android phones are doing.

 

There is also a second more subtle disparity here, iOS and iPhone hardware have a unique synergy (because apple makes both) which allows far better power scaling (throttling down& powering down subsystems) to conserve power during normal use. Many (all?) of these "keep it busy" scripts prevent (or at least severely limit) power scaling. This is not representative of typical use, and because the iPhone is better at scaling make the results even more biased. Add to that is it is fairly easy to skew benchmarks to favor (or disfavor) particular entries. Add to that the recent scandal of Samsung's putting in specific code to detect and mislead benchmarks (on performance benchmarking) and you realize not put much faith (any?) in a "homespun" benchmark like this one.

 

Not sure where to send you for an "article", benchmarking is a complex thing, and in this case you need to have a good grasp of programming (at least theoretical) and the power control and scaling systems used in modern portable hardware.

 

In the real world (typically) iPhone 5 owners virtually never disable 4G and many even keep bluetooth active 100% of the time and and yet rarely have a problem getting through the day with battery to spare. However is not uncommon amongst android owners to de-activate both in an attempt to stretch battery life (and yet also not uncommon for them to run low or out of power). 

The bottom line is (and what really matters) is in real world use (not synthetic and easily skewed benchmarks) the iPhone despite being half the size and twice the speed of the android bricks, has equal to or better battery life.

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This video is accurate.  However, what they aren't telling you is the iPhone users are actually using their device.  Samsung owners don't use their device unless they are uninstalling Malware.

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This video is accurate.  However, what they aren't telling you is the iPhone users are actually using their device.  Samsung owners don't use their device unless they are uninstalling Malware.

Whoa man, careful. You nearly overloaded my 8ulls#1t detector. 

 

I have had my current phone for nearly 2 years and have had none of the following:

 

* Crashes

* Malware

* Viruses

 

My sarcasm detector is under repair so forgive me if that's what this was. 

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This video is accurate.  However, what they aren't telling you is the iPhone users are actually using their device.  Samsung owners don't use their device unless they are uninstalling Malware.

Whoa man, careful. You nearly overloaded my 8ulls#1t detector. 

 

I have had my current phone for nearly 2 years and have had none of the following:

 

* Crashes

* Malware

* Viruses

 

My sarcasm detector is under repair so forgive me if that's what this was. 

 

You won't get those things if you don't use your Samsung, as willgonz said.

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You won't get those things if you don't use your Samsung, as willgonz said.

I use my Samsung every day, doing exactly the same things I did with my iPhone and I have yet to have a problem, so my original comment stands:

 

I have had my current phone for nearly 2 years and have had none of the following:

 

* Crashes

* Malware

* Viruses

 

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I use my Samsung every day, doing exactly the same things I did with my iPhone and I have yet to have a problem, so my original comment stands:

I have had my current phone for nearly 2 years and have had none of the following:

* Crashes
* Malware
* Viruses

Doesn't matter, Samsung is a hated company around here and to be honest, rightfully so. I never had problems with any of my Samsung phones either but I always used an AOSP ROM as I can't stand using Android unless it is unmolested, especially TouchWiz, yuck!
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That makes as much sense as associating Apple with the deaths of 14 Chinese workers, their working conditions, poor wages because we'll Apple uses Foxconn.
Doesn't matter, Samsung is a hated company around here and to be honest, rightfully so. I never had problems with any of my Samsung phones either but I always used an AOSP ROM as I can't stand using Android unless it is unmolested, especially TouchWiz, yuck!

Hated or not, I don't feel people should make false statements.

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You won't get those things if you don't use your Samsung, as willgonz said.
I use my Samsung every day, doing exactly the same things I did with my iPhone and I have yet to have a problem, so my original comment stands:

I have had my current phone for nearly 2 years and have had none of the following:

* Crashes
* Malware
* Viruses

Fair do's.

I prefer to use the greatest phone in the world, rather than the bastard product of a Godforsaken company called Samsung.
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I use my Samsung every day, doing exactly the same things I did with my iPhone and I have yet to have a problem, so my original comment stands:

 

I have had my current phone for nearly 2 years and have had none of the following:

 

* Crashes

* Malware

* Viruses

 

 

I know a person who has smoked for years and has no health problems, therefore smoking is not bad for your health.

 

See why anecdotal data is worthless?

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Fair do's.

I prefer to use the greatest phone in the world, rather than the bastard product of a Godforsaken company called Samsung.

Oh yaaay, another Nokia fan. :D 

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