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Google launched the Open Automotive Alliance in January to put Android in your dashboard to control your phone, just like Apple announced CarPlay as a system to control your iOS device. Parrot's Asteroid Smart doesn't participate in either of these programs, but goes their own way instead.




The Parrot Asteroid Smart, which has been sold preinstalled in certain Mazda and Hyundai models, runs a version of Android 2.3 Gingerbread and comes from one of the best names in handsfree audio. It's sleek, good looking and, perhaps most importantly, available to buy today.

Car navigation and infotainment systems aren't easy to get right. Products needs good handsfree operation, quality maps, an easy-to-use user interface and smartphone control. The best units on the market also tap into a mobile's data connection for displaying real-time traffic data and playback of streaming Internet radio.

And for many buyers, those features are considered essentials. Options can include steering wheel controls, running Internet music streaming sources on the dashboard unit itself instead of from the smartphone, or even Web browsing.

Design



The Parrot Asteroid Smart is basically a third-party replacement for the modern infotainment setups now offered by most major auto makers. A 2-DIN unit with large 6.2-inch multitouch display, the Parrot features an impressive host of features, including compatibility with navigation apps, voice recognition and a solid selection of connectivity options.




The unit comes with a microphone with two mic elements and either a double-sided tape mount or a visor clip mount. With its array of external hardware components, there are a large number of wires to run and accessories to install.

First, a GPS module needs to be mounted on top of the dash or somewhere it can get signal from the sky. One of the four available USB ports is used as a dedicated iOS device connection, while a USB extension cable can connect to flash drives or a mobile modem if you want to have cell service for the head unit instead of using Personal Hotspot on your iPhone.

Basic audio out functions include front/rear/side RCA jacks, a mic input and one line in jack. The Parrot also supports video in and out (again via RCA cables), as well as support for a rear-view camera if you have one. An antenna port, Micro-USB port for PC connections (diagnostics) and steering wheel control interface (Parrot UNIKA) round out the rear panel.




It's important to connect all of the ports on the back of the radio and run them somewhere useful like the glovebox. Changing your mind to install an additional cable means removing dashboard fascia to get at it.

Part of the install process involves connecting the head unit to the emergency (parking) brake switch. The point of this is to limit certain onscreen controls to times when the car has its parking brake on. In early firmware versions, it was possible to defeat this each time you turned the radio on, but later software updates removed this option.

Finally, the large screen is a permanent fixture, meaning it stays in the car at all times. Parrot's mode of security is removing a one centimeter-wide "faceplate" piece integrated in the unit's bezel that contains the power switch.




Performance



Because this is a Parrot product, you can be sure that there's a strong emphasis on good handsfree quality. The microphone and in-call audio is superb. It has voice-dialing built in, so it's not dependent on Siri (or Google Now or any other in-phone voice-dialing feature).

Not relying on a mobile phone's voice assistant functions means having to load all your contacts into the unit over Bluetooth. This would be alright, but there's a 5,000 contact limit and our Contacts app has 26,495 people in it. We recognize that we're probably an exceptional case, but the restriction could be a problem for some power users.

We really wish that Parrot had included an Android application to prompt Siri on a Bluetooth-connected iOS device. Which brings us to discuss buttons.

Buttons

The Parrot Asteroid Smart has one physical button for power located at the bottom of the removable "faceplate" that is about one centimeter wide. Underneath the plastic piece is an SD slot that contains offline map data for the included iGo maps application.

It should be noted that there are no physical volume controls and no button to prompt voice dialing from a smartphone (Siri, Google Now, etc.). This is a problem.

Parrot offers an adapter to match up to a number of existing OEM steering wheel controls, but our car was not supported. Further, if you own an older model vehicle, chances are good that it doesn't have these controls at all.

Android offers three different types of volume levels -- music volume, system volume, navigation voice volume -- and having to "tap, tap and slide" to adjust them at just the right moment while driving is unnecessarily hard. Honestly, a simple knob would have been really helpful here.

We also wish that there were a way to prompt voice dialing via hardware button, preferably using the phone (Siri) instead of Parrot's own internal version. If this had been a momentary push on a volume knob, we'd have been delighted.

Sound

The Asteroid Smart comes packed with an EQ and spatialization controls, allowing us to adjust the crossover for our subwoofers just fine. With the ability to output audio to external amplifiers, the head unit also lets users offload tuning to specialized equipment.




It would have been a nice touch, but advanced functions like automatically balancing and equalizing for the car's acoustic properties are not included. Neither is the ability to use the microphone to detect and play the inverse frequency of road noise, effectively making a quieter car through noise-cancellation, but as an aftermarket stereo, it does a decent enough job.

The Interface



The Asteroid Smart provides its own launcher, which is a grid of apps seen on most Android and iOS devices. Here, Parrot has defaulted to a large icon view, allowing only six apps to be viewed onscreen at any given time. The background wallpaper is brushed metal, although that can easily be changed.

Parrot has placed audio controls for Rew/Play-Pause/FF in the notifications bar of Android, and made them change appropriately when the source changes from music player to radio. There is also a quick-change function to change audio sources from a dedicated menu.

The music player and FM radio are brushed metal interfaces. The FM radio does a good job of picking up RDS information, but does a poor job of displaying it. RDS is the Radio Data System that displays the station name, artist, album, and song information, like "Get Lucky" by Daft Punk feat. Pharrell Williams. The problem here is that Parrot uses the song the data that was received while it was scanning for stations as the station name, and instead of using the large 6.2 inch screen to display all this information at once, scrolls a small amount of it (5-8 chars) in very large text. Some of this is the fault of RDS: Every station can broadcast it differently. Even so, they could do a better job of displaying it.

Unfortunately, the color scheme used for all menus is the old Android orange juxtaposed with white or black.

The summary is that every part of this experience is visually jarring and changes not only from app to app, but is internally inconsistent across its core functions.




On its own, the Asteroid Smart shows what happens when you ship an Android-based device outside of Google's Play and Apps experience: You get a store (the Asteroid Market) with a limited number of apps, a well-made AM/FM tuner, and pre-installed navigation in the form of iGo.

Let's get this out of the way. iGo is pretty terrible. The solution is to pay an additional $49 to $79 in the Asteroid Market for Tom Tom's app and maps. Or to use the Linux-of-the-navigation-world, Waze. Waze sometimes crashed, and it uses streaming data rather than offline maps, but it has the benefit of being able to re-route to avoid traffic in realtime. It's also better than iGo.




Parrot also bundles in VLC, the application that plays any format of movie or audio, as well as some social apps in the form of Glympse and Facebook. What it doesn't have is a good way to bookmark and resume from where you left off if you happened to be listening from an audiobook file on your iPhone.

Conclusion



As it comes out-of-the-box, the Asteroid Smart is a very competent aftermarket handsfree and navigation system, ideal for a car that doesn't have handsfree or aux-in for music, and good navigation via the Asteroid Market. Like all third party radios, you give up some of the integrated things like estimated fuel mileage and seat memory, but it's probably a worthwhile tradeoff.

But it doesn't end here.

Treating Asteroid Smart as if it were an Android-based phone



None of the following counts against the product in our review score. We're commenting on it solely because it's possible and gives Parrot Asteroid Smart the potential of being one of the most flexible car systems we've ever seen.

Because the Parrot Asteroid Smart is an Android-based system, it's possible to do things Parrot doesn't intend.


We installed Pandora. Don't judge our musical tastes.


The first of these that's easy is installing the Amazon App Store. This opens up the number of installable apps to a much wider number, but comes with some interface issues of its own: the Asteroid Smart is a landscape device, and many applications, like Songza, are portrait-only. Pandora ads are portrait, Pandora itself is landscape. There's a lot of this rotation-orientation-wrongheaded-ness, because app devs don't consider the native orientation for their application.




It's also possible to load third party keyboards, like Swype or SwiftKey. This is a good thing: the default keyboards that Parrot ships are amazingly frustrating.

It goes deeper, however: It's possible to root the head unit and gain the ability to load Google Play on it, which then opens up the possibility of loading Gingerbread-compatible apps from the Google Play store. This isn't a perfect solution, and while there's a lot of people who have seen success, we had some trouble getting apps to work properly. We were, however, able to load an old version of Google Maps.

Changing the ringtone for incoming calls is a next-level thing, where you'd connect your laptop to the Parrot via its Micro-USB port, upload ringtones to the correct folder in the file structure, and then select them in the interface.

At the same time, there are some downsides to Parrot's Android implementation: It's a full Android system. It's Internet-connected either by Personal Hotspot tethering or its own optional USB 3G/4G modem. It's got a browser. It's also got security vulnerabilities like the Heartbleed SSL bug that may or may not be updated in the future.





It's hard to review this product. It's very good at what it does in so many ways, but it's also got a clear number of shortcomings where Parrot just didn't try hard enough. Each time we look at a company's branded Android experience, even if they don't advertise blatantly that it's Android underneath, we wish that they would use AOSP, make public their modifications to the kernel to make it work, and publish their modifications to the OS as separate applications.

We understand the safety implications of this being an in-car system and think that could be solved by tying the handbrake-state-awareness to a separate app that installed a crucial function, like the handsfree or navigation.

We want this stock-Android-plus-apps product path because it's awful getting locked into Gingerbread. This gives us similar concerns about any smart-based dashboard system.




Apple updates iOS every year and obsoletes hardware that is, on average, 4 years old, while rendering 3-year-old hardware slower and with fewer functions. In the car, this is problematic. We keep our cars much longer than we do our phones, up to an average of 11.4 years.

The good news is that we can change out systems like the Parrot for a newer system that will update the car as the years pass, but the downside is that doing so costs money. Either manufacturers need to plan for longer term model support, or plan for systems that abstract the need to worry about support for new models of phones 11 years from now.

Apple's CarPlay seems to be that sort of abstraction, as long as the screen mirroring, button to prompt input, and phone-as-brains-of-the-system remain consistent. It's a noble goal trying to put all of the smarts in the head unit and render the phone's capabilities unimportant, but it also means that the head unit as it stands today is as good as it will ever be. With all of the compromises, that's a somewhat dissatisfying answer.

Score: 3 out of 5



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Pros


  • Top-notch handsfree audio quality
  • Ability to load good navigation apps (Waze, Tom Tom)
  • Works with iPhone


Cons


  • Inconsistent interface
  • iGo navigation
  • Lack of hardware volume/Siri control
  • Poor Cable management (GPS, USB, USB, iPhone, MicroUSB, microphone...)


Pricing & availability



Parrot's Asteroid Smart retails at $599.99, but is available now for $504.44 on Amazon.com.
post #2 of 39
I don't get this product at all, given its market timing. Why would anyone choose such a clunky, half-baked product given the vastly superior options now becoming available in Apple's CarPlay and Android Auto?
post #3 of 39

Great, I was was just thinking that I needed a stereo running a shit OS that is 3 years out of date on the day that the unit was released!

post #4 of 39
Cons
* Lousy antireflection coating

What is all the fancy stuff good for when I can't see it?
post #5 of 39
Yuck
post #6 of 39

You should check out the Amazon vehicle fit guide for this product. It is hilarious.  

 

http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-Navigation-Multimedia-Hands-Free-Bluetooth/dp/B00A6UTZ32

 

I'm so disappointed. It doesn't fit in my 1896 Duryea or my 1899 Packard Model A or my 1930 Harley Davidson D or my 2014 Cadillac Escalade ESV

 

Why don't they just tell us which vehicles it does fit?

 

It might be ok if you were building a custom car from scratch but most modern cars come with some built-in infotainment systems. Who is this for?

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You should check out the Amazon vehicle fit guide for this product. It is hilarious.  

http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-Navigation-Multimedia-Hands-Free-Bluetooth/dp/B00A6UTZ32

I'm so disappointed. It doesn't fit in my 1896 Duryea or my 1899 Packard Model A or my 1930 Harley Davidson D or my 2014 Cadillac Escalade ESV

Why don't they just tell us which vehicles it does fit?

It might be ok if you were building a custom car from scratch but most modern cars come with some built-in infotainment systems. Who is this for?

I'll tell you which vehicles it fits. It's a "double-DIN" headunit... so it's for any car that can accept a "double-DIN" headunit. That's a standard size for an aftermarket car stereo... and it was stated in the article.

There's nothing wrong with Amazon's fitment guide. You tell it your car first and they tell you if a particular radio fits.

You want the opposite. Radio first... then car.

It sounds like you just want a list of all the cars with a "double-DIN" opening in the dashboard. I'm sure that information is somewhere... but that's not how retailers present the information.

Nobody buys a radio... and then buys a car to fit it 1smile.gif

You're right though... most recent cars cannot accept any aftermarket car stereo... so they wouldn't be able to use this or anything else.
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It might be ok if you were building a custom car from scratch but most modern cars come with some built-in infotainment systems. Who is this for?

most infotainment systems suck. and there is a fleet of millions and millions of older cars with nothing. double-DIN after market head units have a solid market.
post #9 of 39
I bought this POS at Fry's. After 3 months of this POS and getting no help from Parrot, I returned it and said, "I have been shopping at Fry's for almost 20 years and you are going to take this POS back, I don't care if it's past 30 days. Send it back to the factory as defective."

It crashed 3 times a day. It's essentially a computer so it takes up to 30 seconds to boot, which in itself is a reason to return it. There were popping noises when playing music from my phone. The apps require an internet connection to your phone - that's an extra $25 a month. The apps are buggy. The whole system is buggy. Parrot is a European company, so good luck getting any thing fixed.

I vowed when I returned this POS I would make my voice heard to anyone that will listen. Stay far away.
post #10 of 39
Never knew owning a car averages 11.4 years. I certainly never got that far as a max, never mind averaging out like that.

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I don't think Parrot ever made a good product. Not HW, not SW.
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Never knew owning a car averages 11.4 years. I certainly never got that far as a max, never mind averaging out like that.

I read the stat as the average age of the cars on registered cars on the road. I assume that means they likely go through multiple owners.

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I don't think Parrot ever made a good product. Not HW, not SW.

Parrot would be a good name for Samsung.

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I stand ready to be flamed on this, but

.. rant/

... jeez, this is all we need, even more cars with drivers looking down at wee monitors instead of the road. Call me old fashioned ... but I don't care if it is from Apple, Google or Scamsung, at the end of the day, any monitor screen set lower down on the car's dash, that distract a driver's attention from looking forward is, IMHO f*****g dangerous.

Yes I use mapping systems, Garmin or iPhone but always on a mount on my screen where, even if I glance at them, my eyes are still seeing forward, out of the car's screen, peripherally at least. Mostly I prefer to have Siri talk to me so I can keep my eyes 100% on the road. I just don't see how any system with a screen set down well below the car's screen can be anything but an accident waiting to happen.

On a newer cars, such as my wife's 2014 Lexus 350, the car's HUD is at least very close to the top so less of an 'off road diversion' visually, plus she can control all of the functions by voice command via Siri so that's not such an issue. However, many cars, especially older ones such as the one shown above in the article, have the positioning of their 'in console' entertainment systems set far too low to ever be safe for conversion. I don't recall the stats but I am pretty sure the vast majority of car accidents are caused by drivers having their attention distracted from looking where they are going by everything from texting to eating and drinking. We don't need to add staring at their Google screen while they sign in to look at web images while doing 70 m.p.h. for heaven's' sake!

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Parrot would be a good name for Samsung.

ROFL ... That was my immediate thought too.
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post #14 of 39

Why would any self respecting product developer use Android in the first place, except of course, unless Google was subsidizing the thing.  I'm sure there's no shortage of gullible customers that would buy it.  I mean, who doesn't want their car system hacked on a regular basis.

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I'm not sure why this is on AI. If I want reviews of android based car accessories like this I'll go to an android site. I would be ok of comparing to a CarPlay after market device
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So it's come to this: reviewing whatever gadgets you have lying around.

 

I really do appreciate the effort by the reviewer, but I many issues with the review content. I didn't get a sense of how well the iOS integration worked with the head unit. There's only one mention of it: that there's a dedicated USB port for iOS devices, but no mention of what happens when you plug in an iPhone. Why not? Do people reading this site not want to know how well iOS device integration works? What features from my iPhone work with this head unit when they are connected? Does it just treat it like an iPod? What appears on the screen when I plug in an iPhone? What does the iPod song/playlist management screen look like? Is it an authorized MFi product? Does it charge my phone? Does it sync changes from my Contacts list every time I connect it or do I have to use some function? It's not in the review.

 

What about the hands free and voice recognition? There's no mention of it being directly tested. What was the success rate? How do you command the thing with your voice--do you have to memorize a list of commands, or can you say anything? Can you switch apps with your voice? Can you control all third party apps with your voice? Can the thing multitask so you can listen to Pandora while navigating? How well does navigation work? Etc.

 

I could go on, but you get my point. It doesn't look like a proper "lab review," but an amateur review of something the reviewer probably bought with his own money. And of course, this site isn't known for reviews. It's not going to be CNet, The Verge, Engadget or Anandtech. It's my opinion that unless AppleInsider is desperate for content, it is better to avoid posting amateur reviews (particularly of non-Apple products) and stick with the rumor aggregation and DED editorials. Focus on your strengths, not your weaknesses. If you're going to focus on your weakest aspects, then you'd better come correct.

 

For comparison, I checked out reviews of this product on dedicated review sites, and they did cover my questions about device pairing, voice control and navigation. So my expectations for review quality aren't completely unreasonable. And to be perfectly clear: I'm not criticizing the reviewer, but the review content, which I found wanting in this case. AppleInsider should post better reviews, or none at all.

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I'm not sure why this is on AI. If I want reviews of android based car accessories like this I'll go to an android site. I would be ok of comparing to a CarPlay after market device

While this review may be late in coming with CarPlay now being a reality the system works with iOS-based devices. Suggesting that it shouldn't be reviewed because the headunit is built off the free and open source version of Android is like saying that no QNX-based system that will work with CarPlay should be reviewed since that's what BB10 uses.

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post #18 of 39

Just an odd review, with everything else available out there, why would you want this thing. I have a "smart" TV with a version of gingerbread (im assuming) and it has serious problems compared to any of my IOS devices, what junk and so many compromises. 

post #19 of 39
SolipsismX - tookieman2013 said it well - odd review for Appleinsider. I would rather see elevator photos and DED commentaries, or at least products that don't suck. As an Apple affecianado, tell me what I should buy. But if AI is moving to become a c|net competitor, so be it. I'll just be elsewhere.
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SolipsismX - tookieman2013 said it well - odd review for Appleinsider. I would rather see elevator photos and DED commentaries, or at least products that don't suck. As an Apple affecianado, tell me what I should buy. But if AI is moving to become a c|net competitor, so be it. I'll just be elsewhere.

Reviewing a product that works with iOS-based devices and DED editorials are not mutually exclusive. If the review holds no interest for you the solution is simple; ignore and wait for an article that does interest you. I assure it won't be long before one comes along. Personally, I'd rather learn about products on the market that work with iOS-based devices (even if I have no intention of buying them) than reading about another Apple lawsuit.


PS: AI has done many reviews over the years, including at least 4 other product reviews by Parrot just this year. How does that make this one odd? Because it's base OS is Android based That's not a reasonable answer.

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Reviewing a product that works with iOS-based devices and DED editorials are not mutually exclusive. If the review holds no interest for you the solution is simple; ignore and wait for an article that does interest you. I assure it won't be long before one comes along. Personally, I'd rather learn about products on the market that work with iOS-based devices (even if I have no intention of buying them) than reading about another Apple lawsuit.


PS: AI has done many reviews over the years, including at least 4 other product reviews by Parrot just this year. How does that make this one odd? Because it's base OS is Android based That's not a reasonable answer.

And what did you learn about this one and how it works with iOS? And how do I know to skip this one where at the end it basically said it sucks and iOS is not mentioned? I think Suddenly Newton had excellent points.
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And what did you learn about this one and how it works with iOS? And how do I know to skip this one where at the end it basically said it sucks and iOS is not mentioned? I think Suddenly Newton had excellent points.

1) iOS is mentioned.

2) I learned that Parrot makes poor HW and SW.

3) You know to skip it because it says Review in the title, not Editorial or other types of articles you don't feel are odd.

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post #23 of 39
AI review mentioned iOS - wow! Fortunately half the article told us how to use as an android phone.

Must be a slow day...
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Reviewing a product that works with iOS-based devices and DED editorials are not mutually exclusive. If the review holds no interest for you the solution is simple; ignore and wait for an article that does interest you. I assure it won't be long before one comes along. Personally, I'd rather learn about products on the market that work with iOS-based devices (even if I have no intention of buying them) than reading about another Apple lawsuit.

PS: AI has done many reviews over the years, including at least 4 other product reviews by Parrot just this year. How does that make this one odd? Because it's base OS is Android based That's not a reasonable answer.

the review's mere existence dilutes the noise to signal ratio of this site. that is, the usefulness of the site.

further, since this is an apple site, I read the review anyway, expecting to get info about iOS integration, so I could compare it to my head unit. yet...no info provided. total waste of my time.

if this isn't to be a cnet competitor then I don't use the value of diluting the signal to noise ratio for no reason.
post #25 of 39

As another commentator mentioned, the last thing drivers need is another distracting device. I used to own a vehicle which had a double din dash - I was messing around with CD's one day, in very slow moving traffic (~5 miles an hour), and rear ended someone. I was stupid, but lucky; no damage. I think that weekend, I ordered a digital (mp3) system that plugged into the trunk (in place of the 6 disc changer) and that was less distracting. I was very fortunate to not have hurt someone, myself or caused any damage.

 

Anyway, this thing seems to have a lot more reviews on Amazon that it should, but oh well; "people".

 

Lastly, more Android 2.3 activations!

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Malware in the car.....hmmmmmmm
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the review's mere existence dilutes the noise to signal ratio of this site. that is, the usefulness of the site.

further, since this is an apple site, I read the review anyway, expecting to get info about iOS integration, so I could compare it to my head unit. yet...no info provided. total waste of my time.

if this isn't to be a cnet competitor then I don't use the value of diluting the signal to noise ratio for no reason.

Is this the first time you've ever made such a comment on AI or have you noted this, at least once, in any of the other reviews AI have done over the years? I'm guessing the issue you and others have with this review is simply because the unit uses Android as opposed to some other OS, not because they are reviewing a product that works with iOS.

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Is this the first time you've ever made such a comment on AI or have you noted this, at least once, in any of the other reviews AI have done over the years? I'm guessing the issue you and others have with this review is simply because the unit uses Android as opposed to some other OS, not because they are reviewing a product that works with iOS.

I have to say wow ..simply wow! I post about safety and not one comment, the entire thread is about the OS involved! Really?
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Reviewing a product that works with iOS-based devices and DED editorials are not mutually exclusive.

 

Are you able to determine what WOULD exclude DED editorials? Whatever it is, I'd like more of that, please. LOTS more. :lol:

 

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I have to say wow ..simply wow! I post about safety and not one comment, the entire thread is about the OS involved! Really?

 

Aw Clippy, are you feeling ignored? Here: "Yay safety!" How's that? ;)

 

But seriously, I can't understand why we continue to make vehicle instrument clusters and infotainment systems with screens. What's the barrier to Heads Up Displays like they have in fighter planes? It's not like the systems are complicated to produce or difficult to implement and the benefits are enormous. What's the obstacle?

 

We ARE moving forward somewhat by making more and more of the system voice controlled, but we're also accidentally taking one step back. While touch screens are obviously infinitely more versatile than fixed controls, they don't lend themselves to being used without looking. I can find the volume control knob or "Next" button on the dash by feel. Not so with a touch screen.


Edited by Lorin Schultz - 7/7/14 at 1:50am

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post #30 of 39
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I have to say wow ..simply wow! I post about safety and not one comment, the entire thread is about the OS involved! Really?

 

Well, you did say it was a rant, so I think everybody except for @PhilBoogie avoided reading it!

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Is this the first time you've ever made such a comment on AI or have you noted this, at least once, in any of the other reviews AI have done over the years? I'm guessing the issue you and others have with this review is simply because the unit uses Android as opposed to some other OS, not because they are reviewing a product that works with iOS.

 

you guess is incorrect. just as AppRadio doesnt run iOS (Windows CE) but is designed to be used by iOS devices, the host OS is inconsequential to me. only the iOS use case matters, and that was completely omitted in this review. that is to say, it was a failed review considering the audience.

 

so as i said, this article was a complete was of my time as an apple-centric user, and a dilution of the signal to noise ratio (usefulness) of this web product. just as i would complain about a crummy physical product, so i complained about this web product.

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you guess is incorrect. just as AppRadio doesnt run iOS (Windows CE) but is designed to be used by iOS devices, the host OS is inconsequential to me. only the iOS use case matters, and that was completely omitted in this review. that is to say, it was a failed review considering the audience.

so as i said, this article was a complete was of my time as an apple-centric user, and a dilution of the signal to noise ratio (usefulness) of this web product. just as i would complain about a crummy physical product, so i complained about this web product.

1) So where are your complaints about any of the other hundreds of reviews they have done over the years, including the 4 other reviews of Parrot products just this year?

2) You can clearly see it's a review so why read it if reviews are a waste of your time?

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1) So where are your complaints about any of the other hundreds of reviews they have done over the years, including the 4 other reviews of Parrot products just this year?

 

Soli, I love ya buddy, but that makes no sense. One needn't have complained about every previous similar occurrence as a a prerequisite to complain about this particular article. Maybe he didn't see the earlier reviews. Maybe it was just this one that compelled him to share his view. What difference does it make? He didn't like THIS review and said so.

 

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2) You can clearly see it's a review so why read it if reviews are a waste of your time?

 

He didn't say reviews in general are a waste of time, he said THIS one is and explained WHY he feels that way.

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Soli, I love ya buddy, but that makes no sense. One needn't have complained about every previous similar occurrence as a a prerequisite to complain about this particular article. Maybe he didn't see the earlier reviews. Maybe it was just this one that compelled him to share his view. What difference does it make? He didn't like THIS review and said so.

He didn't say reviews in general are a waste of time, he said THIS one is and explained WHY.

1) And the only difference between this and the other reviews, including the other Parrot reviews, is the fact that the head unit runs on Android despite working with iDevices.

2) So you think it's a coincidence that no one has complained about any other AI's reviews for devices connect with iDevices and Macs until this one? It's possible but that seems highly improbable to me.

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post #35 of 39

Hi, 

 

I'm sorry you felt this was a wasted review.

 

iOS interaction is thus:

 

Handsfree calling via the Bluetooth capabilities of iOS.

Contact sync via Bluetooth, limited to 5000 contacts.

Music player control via the headunit. Album/Artist/Track and album art will appear on the screen.

Internet access to the headunit via iOS personal hotspot.

Apps that stream music over the internet (Pandora, Spotify, iTunes Radio, etc.) will play over the USB connection.

Maps and other navigation applications will play the voice directions over the headunit / car speakers.

 

There is no other interaction. There's no way to prompt Siri from the radio, no way to have any other data applications display on the screen (email? sms? nothing.) 

post #36 of 39

It's our hope to review CarPlay products as soon as they are available. Until they are, this is what Parrot thinks is the best product available. 

 

As the score shows, I think they made a product with shortcomings.

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I know people who keep cars for about 15 years and then sell. I tend to buy used, but my car is ten years old. 

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You should check out the Amazon vehicle fit guide for this product. It is hilarious.  

 

http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-Navigation-Multimedia-Hands-Free-Bluetooth/dp/B00A6UTZ32

 

I'm so disappointed. It doesn't fit in my 1896 Duryea or my 1899 Packard Model A or my 1930 Harley Davidson D or my 2014 Cadillac Escalade ESV

 

Why don't they just tell us which vehicles it does fit?

 

It might be ok if you were building a custom car from scratch but most modern cars come with some built-in infotainment systems. Who is this for?

There are a lot of cars out there which came with infotainment or in-car proprietary dashboard menus (power seat memory in the dash, for example.) and they don't have aux-in or iPod connections, not even 30pin.

 

For cars like these, an aftermarket solution is an option to consider, but you do give up the proprietary menus. You usually get a dash kit from either Metra or Scosche, which allows the aftermarket radio to fit in the dashboard correctly.

 

For some cars like Honda that have the head controls integrated in the radio fascia, they make a replacement aftermarket fascia that has heater controls in it, so that aftermarket radios are still an option.

 

The thing to do when considering an aftermarket radio is search at metra or scosche to see if there's a dash kit for your vehicle. If there is, and if there's also a wiring harness adapter available (required for cars with OnStar or Bose systems) then you're in good shape.

 

Also: If you've got an 1899 Duryea or a Packard, I want to go for a ride.

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Safety:

 

The problem is that there are competing wants here. Consumers want more infotainment and more integration, and expect manufacturers to figure out the safety problems for them. Regulators would be happiest if they could ban all in-car entertainment, but bans and fines don't stop people from using things in-car. 

 

Parrot locking functions based on the state of the parking brake is their way of limiting interaction while driving. It's reasonable, although in early firmware versions they had a menu option in settings to bypass this restriction. In later firmware updates, this bypass option was removed.

 

I'm hopeful that CarPlay will be a good balance of integration without distraction. I haven't had a hands-on experience with CarPlay yet, but they seem to weight it heavily on voice interaction (Siri) and maps on the display, no reading.

 

The inclusion of VLC on the Parrot unit is just silly. Playing movie files on the dashboard headunit is pretty hard to justify as "not distracting."

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