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post #41 of 92
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

If true, then it sounds like those factories have a rampant parts theft problem.

Theft is a problem in factories all over the world. That is why many of them are fairly secure places. It is also why I have to laugh when people that have never held a job complain about security and strictness at factories. People have varying morals and often an attitude develops where they want to stick it to the man.

Beyond all of that we don't even know if this was stolen, it could be a defective item picked out of the trash. Or it could be planned seeding of information by Apple. Plants like these can fuel interest in devices in ways that normal advertising can't. Considering I'm sitting on the east coast it is hard to tell what is going on here.
post #42 of 92
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

That would probably only serve to confirm its legitimacy after the fact, because the video has already been released, so the damage is done. Getting it back would not change anything at this point.

EDIT: the other possibility is that it is fake.

The other possibility is that it is a planned Apple leak to spur interest. This is exactly what is required to spur interest without actually revealing anything about the iPhine that we don't already know.
post #43 of 92
Thanks man, I just ruined by 5S screen thanks to you.1wink.gif
post #44 of 92
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Originally Posted by ClementineOrange View Post

This dude needs to do a moss hardness test. Scratching a key and knife to it tells us this display is harder than the key and the knife... and nothing else. The iphone 5 would also pass that.

 

Actually a steel knife is harder than Gorilla Glass and should scratch it a tiny bit, but he didn't do it enough or hard enough, (or zoom in to let us see) to know for sure.  

 

What he should have done is use sand.  Quartz is harder than Gorilla Glass but softer than sapphire.  Sand will always scratch glass, but it shouldn't hurt sapphire. 

post #45 of 92
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Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post

It could lead Apple to the source, to the criminal who stole it.

Of course, there's always the possibility that it is fake, but if it is genuine, then I would prefer that Apple doubles down on secrecy, like they mentioned a while back.

I hope they can narrow it down to the 100,000 new Foxconn employees.
post #46 of 92

If this is a legitimate test, Corning is going to be so butt-hurt.  Corning's CEO is going to have to really make a valid argument how Gorilla Glass 3 is far better in so many ways than what Apple has to offer.  Especially after claiming that it was impossible for Apple to build a viable substitute for Gorilla Glass 3.  It's a real head-scratcher why rival companies go out on a limb to crucify Apple's abilities to come up with a solution to a problem.  Anyway, the torture test looks impressive to me especially if the display really can't be scratched in a person's pocket or when slid across a table.  Go, Apple.  All that's needed would be IP67 certification for the iPhone 6 and that would really pull in the buyers.

post #47 of 92
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moss? like green soft stuff?

dunno about you but I don't have anything harder than keys or a knife in my pocket....

You'd be surprised how much silica/mineral grit ends up in your pockets, even if you never visit a beach. If you drive on the freeway with a window open, it's blowing into your car, and onto the iPhone on your passenger seat. Drop your keys on a wet sidewalk and you're likely to transport a little bit of grit into your pocket. Get that grit between your iPhone case and the iPhone itself and you've just created a bit of sandpaper.

 

I don't think there's much sapphire/diamond dust in the environment, so switching to a sapphire display should eliminate mineral grit scratches.

post #48 of 92
I love it when he says "assuming this is sapphire glass". That's what I was assuming as I watched this!

And just why is the ability to bend a plus? Do a lot of people have broken screens because their phone got bent??
How about testing it by dropping a corner of a brick on it!
post #49 of 92
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Originally Posted by Ingela View Post

The kid sounds like a pro. Sounds like he is ready for a prime time job with a TV network. The Verge or anyone that produces a lot of tech videos should snap him up with a job.
Agreed!
post #50 of 92
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post
 

My iPhone 5 is all scratched up on the edges and the bottom from trying to insert the damn lightning connector.  

 

This sounds more like a serious co-ordination problem than a design fault with the iPhone 

 

:err:

post #51 of 92

Attach the display to a real phone then drop it face down on a sharp rock from about 5 feet up. That's the kind of impact that shatters current screens easily.

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post #52 of 92
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Dude needs to buy some new shoes. It looks like he's going bowling.

 

And if that is indeed a genuine iPhone 6 part, then why isn't Apple busting down his door, and retrieving their stolen property?

 

 

Because that would be a fucking stupid thing for Apple to do. It's one thing to "bust down the door" in order to get back the entire product (ie. iPhone 4). It's quite another to do it for a part leak, as there will probably be an avalanche of these soon. In the end, who cares? Its a tiny minority of the population that follows this shit. It will have no effect on the next iPhone's success. There's nothing Apple can do about these kinds of part leaks when product is so close to production, or being produced in mass quantities. Thats the reality of it. 

post #53 of 92
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Originally Posted by ClementineOrange View Post

This dude needs to do a moss hardness test. Scratching a key and knife to it tells us this display is harder than the key and the knife... and nothing else. The iphone 5 would also pass that.

It's a mohs hardness test.
post #54 of 92
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Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post

Attach the display to a real phone then drop it face down on a sharp rock from about 5 feet up. That's the kind of impact that shatters current screens easily.

I too am very interested in an impact test with sapphire. Although if it's not properly mounted to a phone it's designed for it isn't really a fair test.
post #55 of 92

MKBHD Rocks, He has great reviews, just for fun, pick any other youtube tech reviewer or site, Cnet the Verge, anyone, then have a

look at the number of youtube subscribers they have compared to Marques Brownlee.

So he's pretty well known on youtube.

 

post #56 of 92
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Originally Posted by NolaMacGuy View Post

I don't have anything harder than keys or a knife in my pocket....

Yes, you do: sand.

post #57 of 92
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why isn't Apple busting down his door, and retrieving their stolen property?

Apple doesn't do that any more. Phil Schiller said it was fine when the last leaks came out. They seem to realise that it builds the hype. How often are people interested in Samsung's cover glass?

It might be different if they stole an entire phone though.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton 
the other possibility is that it is fake.

If it's real, they've definitely switched the camera location with the proximity sensor. This would help reduce the size of the upper bezel. You can see how different this front part is from the mockups:



That mockup had the camera up top and even larger bezels than the current model iPhone and yet the body matched the dummy case. How could the mockup body match the leaked iPhone case with a 4.7" display with large bezels if this new front part shows reduced bezels?

It's more likely that the previous mockups have been wrong. In order for the 4.7" display to be comfortable to use, they'd have to reduce the bezel size.

The following video shows at 3:27 that it's still not as comfortable to hold as the iPhone 5 though:

post #58 of 92
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Originally Posted by Fred1 View Post

I love it when he says "assuming this is sapphire glass". That's what I was assuming as I watched this!

And just why is the ability to bend a plus? Do a lot of people have broken screens because their phone got bent??
How about testing it by dropping a corner of a brick on it!

Once again, what it's showing is how sapphire does NOT bend when compared to Gorilla Glass 2, or is it 3. That may not be his intention, but what the video shows is how stiff, or strong, the stuff is. Someone will supply the proper term for this characteristic, I hope.

That it bends some means it is not totally brittle.
post #59 of 92
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And if that is indeed a genuine iPhone 6 part, then why isn't Apple busting down his door, and retrieving their stolen property?

Yea, Apple just hates all the free publicity for weeks and months before every new product release! They cry all the way to the bank.
post #60 of 92
Originally Posted by Fred1 View Post
Yea, Apple just hates all the free publicity for weeks and months before every new product release! They cry all the way to the bank.

 

Yeah, Apple sure isn’t known for protecting their intellectual property¡

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post #61 of 92
Folks, sapphire *doesn't bend* like this. Not even close.

This is Gorilla Glass 3.
post #62 of 92
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Yeah, Apple sure isn’t known for protecting their intellectual property¡

Sorry but speculation doesn't count as intellectual property.
Or do you know for a fact that this, together with all the other "genuine" Apple parts we see for weeks before a new release is anticipated, is the real thing?
post #63 of 92

Hey Corning... tell me again how fragile Sapphire Crystal is...

post #64 of 92
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Originally Posted by PeterGriffin View Post

Folks, sapphire *doesn't bend* like this. Not even close.

This is Gorilla Glass 3.

Noted.
post #65 of 92
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Originally Posted by Constable Odo View Post
 

If this is a legitimate test, Corning is going to be so butt-hurt.  Corning's CEO is going to have to really make a valid argument how Gorilla Glass 3 is far better in so many ways than what Apple has to offer.  Especially after claiming that it was impossible for Apple to build a viable substitute for Gorilla Glass 3.  It's a real head-scratcher why rival companies go out on a limb to crucify Apple's abilities to come up with a solution to a problem.  Anyway, the torture test looks impressive to me especially if the display really can't be scratched in a person's pocket or when slid across a table.  Go, Apple.  All that's needed would be IP67 certification for the iPhone 6 and that would really pull in the buyers.

Not sure how you are so certain this is real but I don't think Corning is going to have any problems. Gorilla Glass 3 is cheaper and much easier to produce than sapphire. Most cell phone producers will gladly take Gorilla Glass 3. Apple is always looking to work with premium materials that are challenging and usually more expensive than common components so this is a win for them too. The only ones in a pinch are Samsung who love to follow Apple's every move. They will probably release one premium model Galaxy phone with sapphire glass but since Apple has most of sapphire production locked up right now, they will never be able to outfit all of their phones with this the way Apple seems to be planning to.

post #66 of 92

Okay, something is not quite right with that video. I am not saying it is not sapphire crystal, when he tapped on it with the knife it did not sound right, It had dull sound. I have my sapphire crystal watch and just did the same thing and it tings like a crystal wine glass, verse a dull dud of a plane water glass. Crystal structures have a distinct sound that make so it not sounding as if it is pure sapphire crystal. They much be doing something else here.

 

Maybe apple is depositing sapphire crystal onto gorilla glass or something similar Thus the reason it is not scratching and it has a dull sound.

post #67 of 92

Sapphire = Aluminum Oxide.

 

Our new iPhones will be made of TRANSPARENT ALUMINUM! Plus some air.

Thanks to Scotty when he came back in time and used a Mac Plus to share the formula with us when he needed a quick tank to hold a couple of whales inside a Klingon Battlecruiser.

post #68 of 92
Originally Posted by Fred1 View Post
Sorry but speculation doesn't count as intellectual property.

 

I’m pretty sure you don’t know what speculation is, given that the guy is holding a physical object in his hand and claiming it’s a real product.

 

Speculation is claiming a 5.5” iPhone exists.

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post #69 of 92
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post
 

 

What about that extreme flexing of the glass panel?

http://youtu.be/D4j4wqA2Mko

 

That's only GG2. GG3 is even better as they can make it thinner than GG2 but at a higher strength.

There is no proof that the fascia shown is sapphire and that's because it's not.

He starts off saying it is and then switches to "presuming it's sapphire".

 

It's BS rumors that disappoint the press and give haters something to moan about when Apple don't release something to the spec that the rumors state.

 

Sapphire glass on the iPhone. Not this year.

post #70 of 92
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Originally Posted by PeterGriffin View Post

Folks, sapphire *doesn't bend* like this. Not even close.

This is Gorilla Glass 3.

Afraid I have to agree.

post #71 of 92
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Originally Posted by PeterGriffin View Post

Folks, sapphire *doesn't bend* like this. Not even close.

This is Gorilla Glass 3.

 

None of us here are exactly sure if this is Sapphire or Gorilla Glass based on a video. Either way, why make such definitive statements one way or another when no one yet knows. 

post #72 of 92
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Originally Posted by Ingela View Post
 

 

None of us here are exactly sure if this is Sapphire or Gorilla Glass based on a video. Either way, why make such definitive statements one way or another when no one yet knows. 

Because the person in the video has no clue what he is talking about, he lack any engineering or scientific background or knowledge to make an assessment on what the material really is. 

 

I am not willing to say what it is and I have the background to understand there is too many things I seeing and reading which do not add up to what I understand and know. I have been around long enough to realize they could be break throws which will challenge what I know so I leave it at that. Here are these videos which I am not sure has been posted before.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsCER0uwiWI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ1WWRKKelY

 

and here is another way to know if it is Sapphire, I did not know about the water thing, but knew about the sound which I stated before about this display before, it does not sound like a crystal.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuxJADNJ2fc


Edited by Maestro64 - 7/8/14 at 9:24am
post #73 of 92
Gorilla glass is just is strong. Look at this video of a bend test with gorilla glass. Note that this is Gorilla glass 2 and Gorilla glass 3 is now out and is said to be more flexible and 40% more scratch resistant. Keys and a knife are not going to scratch any phone. I regularly pull my keys out and go to town on my phone to show people that you are not going to scratch it. What normally scratch your screen is silica based material like sand that is in your pocket and gets pressed up against your screen. Or dropping your phone on the ground that has sand and dirt and rock. I cannot speak to the clearness of the screen however as I'm not sure how clear gorilla glass is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4j4wqA2Mko
post #74 of 92
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Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post

Okay, something is not quite right with that video. I am not saying it is not sapphire crystal, when he tapped on it with the knife it did not sound right, It had dull sound. I have my sapphire crystal watch and just did the same thing and it tings like a crystal wine glass, verse a dull dud of a plane water glass. Crystal structures have a distinct sound that make so it not sounding as if it is pure sapphire crystal. They much be doing something else here.

Maybe apple is depositing sapphire crystal onto gorilla glass or something similar Thus the reason it is not scratching and it has a dull sound.

Is it possible it didn't sound right because when he poked it with the knife it was on a towel, which may have absorbed the "ting"?

And did not Apple submit a patent in late 2013 for a flexible sapphire display?

I have to say, though, that i still think the most likely scenario is a hair thin sapphire laminate bonded to gorilla glass. That process was also patented by Apple last year if I remember correctly.
post #75 of 92
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Originally Posted by AppleDigger View Post


Is it possible it didn't sound right because when he poked it with the knife it was on a towel, which may have absorbed the "ting"?

And did not Apple submit a patent in late 2013 for a flexible sapphire display?

I have to say, though, that i still think the most likely scenario is a hair thin sapphire laminate bonded to gorilla glass. That process was also patented by Apple last year if I remember correctly.

He did actually tap it when holding it in the air as well and it did not sound right for sapphire, but I agree it could be some sort of laminating process. Also they could have modified the chemistry of the sapphire to make it more ductile while keeping most of its strength so it may not sound like a crystal structure.

 

I am also a little suspicious of Corning's comments about you can not make a sapphire crystal phone display. This could be a preemptive attack to keep their customer from going looking for a sapphire solution if in fact that is what apple is coming out with. It could also be to try and keep wall street happy if they begin thinking apple dump them when in fact they did not since it a hybrid solution of GG3 and sapphire. Who know, we will just have to wait and see at this point since everyone is guessing.

post #76 of 92

Let's see:

4.7" Sapphire screen

A8 chip

Thinner, lighter

better battery

.......anything else?

Same price.

Would that be enough to upgrade from 5s? I say YES.

post #77 of 92
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I’m pretty sure you don’t know what speculation is, given that the guy is holding a physical object in his hand and claiming it’s a real product.

Speculation is claiming a 5.5” iPhone exists.

And the key word is . . . claims. !!!

My point exactly.
post #78 of 92
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Originally Posted by MisterGrey View Post

Actually a steel knife is harder than Gorilla Glass and should scratch it a tiny bit, but he didn't do it enough or hard enough, (or zoom in to let us see) to know for sure.  

What he should have done is use sand.  Quartz is harder than Gorilla Glass but softer than sapphire.  Sand will always scratch glass, but it shouldn't hurt sapphire. 

You gotta think that some of these employees know they can make more by selling an unreleased iPhone part than they would working 2 years of 16-hour days at Foxconn. What is the going price for an unreleased iPhone 6 screen? $5k, $10k?
post #79 of 92
Watch the first 5 seconds of this video to get an idea of the sapphire that Apple may be working with. This piece shown can't even support it's own weight, and it's only a couple inches in diameter.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uLwARB1qlI4
post #80 of 92

Mos hardness test is a scientific method of measuring scratch resistance.  You scratch the material with a variety of minerals until you begin to see a scratch.

Beyond metal the next things that will scratch a phone are granite counter top, ceramics, and sand/dirt/grit on top of a surface that is otherwise safe.

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