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I have to think the top level management at Samsung are taking a long hard look at their smart phone division's almost insane desire to beat Apple at all costs. Flooding the market with very low profit products is hurting the whole company. I seriously suspect some heads may roll in the phone division over this and they may scale back the desire to 'win' the numbers game (AKA chanel stuffing, discounts, give awaits and so on) and go back to looking at how to actually make money, even if that means conceding that Apple is actually selling more profitable products by far.

ummm, 7 billion in profit is nothing to sneeze at.  I very much doubt heads are going to roll.  From a business standpoint, copying Apple was totally the right thing to do. Think of all the catastrophic failures from companies who tried to compete with Apple by partially copying and adding their own flair to it (note that the entire smartphone industry copied Apple to some degree).  I'm sure the 100% pure copyists at Samdung are heroes in the eyes of Samdung shareholders.  Of all the copyists, they did it the best.

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The writing is all over the wall. iPhone holds 42% of the market in the US as of May 2014. How can one phone capture and hold so much share in a commoditized market? How can a luxury product dominate while up against entire platforms of competing devices?

Apple's smartphone share in the US has held steady at around 41% for most of the past year, as smartphones have gone from 60% to 70% of all cellphones.  That's probably about where Apple will still be in a few more years, when all US cellphones are smartphones (it's the best-fit saturation for a logistic curve using all the comscore iPhone penetration data for the past four years).  That's pretty good for a "top-end" brand!  Affordable luxury.

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Though I agree that Samsung (like others, it should be noted) have largely copied apple after the debut of the iphone- Samsung has something viable up its sleeves. Imagine a Samsung phone with Tizen, not android. Apple has homekit, and naturally google is following suit with whatever terrible interfaced copycat kit they have. But Samsung makes cars, tools, computers, washers, dryers, tellys, a/c, and other home appliances. If they make Tizen secure- they can let you automate your home cheaply and without the google data collecting BS.
Samsung is potentially sitting on an easy to configure goldmine.

Good point. Execution is key though.

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Uhhhhhh, they invented the freaking touch screen smart-phone. What are you, 10 years old?

Apple was the first to use a multi touch capacitive touch screen, but resistive touch screens existed way before the iPhone.
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Well I wonder why Samsung is going downhill?

Could it be:

-Less parts sales to Apple?

-Less copying of Apple's latest designs?

 

-Possible customers waiting to see Apple's iPhone6?   (me too)

-Customers no longer wanting a Google Android SPYWARE OS?

 

-Poor quality?

Samdung had one strategy....100% pure replica of Apple device.  Apple is now focusing on software services and integrated hardware solutions that aren't easily copied. Software services work best on a non-fragmented platform.  Apple's CPU, graphics, and motion chips also require a non-fragmented platform and require long lead times in planning.  

There's a lot of irony in Apple leapfrogging the industry in hardware design.  They were criticized when they bought PA semiconductor.  Now who's laughing.  I think it is a beautiful thing that Apple has Samdung fab a more advanced chip than Samdung can design.  Does no one else see the irony in this?

 I hope Apple always continues to use Samdung for fabricating.  It will keep costs down and reminds Samdung about who's boss.  If I had to guess, Samsung hates the relationship more than Apple does.   

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They were the first with a multitouch capacitive display. Remember LG Prada had a shitty single ouch capacitive screen with a shitty OS announced right before the iPhone.

Thanks, I was already in the process of adding 'multi touch' when you replied.
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ummm, 7 billion in profit is nothing to sneeze at.  I very much doubt heads are going to roll.  From a business standpoint, copying Apple was totally the right thing to do. Think of all the catastrophic failures from companies who tried to compete with Apple by partially copying and adding their own flair to it (note that the entire smartphone industry copied Apple to some degree).  I'm sure the 100% pure copyists at Samdung are heroes in the eyes of Samdung shareholders.  Of all the copyists, they did it the best.

My post was only about their numbers not copying. Copying by Samsung isn't even worth debating. It's not about the numbers in isolation. It's about the numbers in relation to where they were and in relation to shipments. Three quarters of profit decline at the same time as actual numbers shipped increased, is not a good path to be on. Heads do roll for such things.
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Though I agree that Samsung (like others, it should be noted) have largely copied apple after the debut of the iphone- Samsung has something viable up its sleeves. Imagine a Samsung phone with Tizen, not android. Apple has homekit, and naturally google is following suit with whatever terrible interfaced copycat kit they have. But Samsung makes cars, tools, computers, washers, dryers, tellys, a/c, and other home appliances. If they make Tizen secure- they can let you automate your home cheaply and without the google data collecting BS.
Samsung is potentially sitting on an easy to configure goldmine.

Sounds easy on paper, but I think Tizen would be a disaster.  Samsung customers are like Microsoft customers.  They didn't care about performance to begin with, which is why they chose Samsung (or Microsoft) in the first place.  Once they learned how to use their shitty software, the worst thing you can do to them is make them learn new shitty software.  Look at Microsoft XP customers. MS can't get them to upgrade over a decade later. Every new MS OS release is followed by years of bitching.  While quality shares part of the blame, a big part of it is the customers. Think about it, if the Samdung customers were smart enough or wealthy enough to select good software, they wouldn't be using Samdung or MS in the first place.  The galaxy S owners over the age of 50 are the one exception. They need the bigger screen to avoid using reading glasses.     

 

Also, Samsung just tried Tizen on some of its watches and it didn't go well.  They are now going to release watches for Android.  If Samsung experiments with Tizen on the Galaxy S phones, I think it will be very short lived.

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Samsung is really screwed because Apple hasn't even released the new iPhone yet. Samsung has played most of its cards, Apple hasn't.

Well they always make an even bigger phone with an even bigger battery and throw in more sensors that work 50% of the time. More retina-searing color saturation. Maybe more cores. More specs should please all the concern trolls who keep saying Apple should get back to innovating, while they keep demanding more specs from Samsung.

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So what was the excuse Wall Street made about AAPL? Apple stock was down because Samsung was gonna slaughter them in the low end phone market? Oh…right.

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Of course Apple can't develop a brand new product category annually, it's not possible. Three products that were revolutionary and innovative is simple. 

HDTV, DVR/DVD's, NFC (although it's not too commonly used), RFID tagging, CD's, mainstream GPS, hybrid and electric cars, 3D printing, Google, USB flash, Wifi, and social media, just to name a few have completely revolutionized our lifes. 

You didn't answer my question at all.  I said name a single company that has released 3 revolutionary products in the last 15 years.  I didn't say name revolutionary things- that would be ludicrous.  I said name a company.  Which, of course, you can't do.

 

Apple is the innovator the past decade and a half.  Particularly in the technology field.  Period.

 

 

You're the clown that came in here touting that Apple doesn't innovate anything.  So when you come in here with that douchebag attitude, don't expect to kindly be responded to.  Douchebags will be responded to like douchebags should be responded to.

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Regarding previous stories, I thought this one was pertinent:

 

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Samsung’s management team is meeting from December 17th through the 20th to discuss its plans for the next year, and one of the main topics is “crisis awareness,”ZDNet reported. It is not clear if Samsung has a specific crisis in mind — perhaps the slowing sales of its high-end smartphones...

 

(PS- Appleinsider covered it too)

 

Bottom line: I think Samsung saw this coming. Last November, they probably recognized the second Apple lawsuit looming (which they largely ducked), a slow-down in the smartphone market, their flop launch of smartwatches, being behind in 64-bit development, little new to offer in their upcoming S5, and Apple's progressive move to other suppliers. In addition, I personally think Tizen will be as successful as if Dell had switched from Windows boxes to Linux.

 

Yeah, they still make money - Samsung makes vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, industrial equipment, and a billion other things. But their smartphone success is evaporating. 

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My post was only about their numbers not copying. Copying by Samsung isn't even worth debating. It's not about the numbers in isolation. It's about the numbers in relation to where they were and in relation to shipments. Three quarters of profit decline at the same time as actual numbers shipped increased, is not a good path to be on. Heads do roll for such things.

Good point. Three quarters of decline is not good.  However, I think the success of the Samsung mobile is so great that the management team has a lot of room to fall. Samsung's huge success is still emblazoned in the minds of its shareholders. Samsung may lose to Apple, but they beat Google-Motorola, Microsoft, LG, HTC, Sony, Huawei, Nokia, and Blackberry.  These companies all lost money trying to compete with Apple.  Samsung is the lone successful competitor.  Samsung took home the silver medal.  Whether you think that is impressive or not depends on your perspective and expectations. At a minimum, they can say they were the only company that competed head to head with Apple during its mobile growth spurt. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying silver is better than gold.  Those of us that have owned Apple stock for years are perfectly content with our returns. I'm just saying most people don't chop off a competitors head because they take the silver medal (unless you are Colombian).


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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

... Samsung on Tuesday warned investors that it is set to announce a quarterly profit decline of as much as 26 percent year-over-year, citing weak smartphone demand and increased competition in China and Europe ...

 

And in other South Korean news: "Gangnam Style," the worldwide viral super-hit by K-Pop star PSY has drastically declined in popularity year-over-year since its peak in 2012.

 

But really, Samsung's smartphone sales decline and "Gangnam Style"'s decline were both inevitable.

Weren't they.

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Good point. Three quarters of decline is not good.  However, I think the success of the Samsung mobile is so great that the management team has a lot of room to fall. Samsung's huge success is still emblazoned in the minds of its shareholders. Samsung may lose to Apple, but they beat Google-Motorola, Microsoft, LG, HTC, Sony, Huawei, Nokia, and Blackberry.  These companies all lost money trying to compete with Apple.  Samsung is the lone successful competitor.  Samsung took home the silver medal.  Whether you think that is impressive or not depends on your perspective and expectations. At a minimum, they can say they were the only ones that competed head to head with Apple during its mobile growth spurt. 

I can't disagree with your summation although a silver for (and now back to copying) ripping off Apple's IP at every turn (which they have admitted in court) isn't a worthy medal in my book. Although, I am sure their shareholders didn't care.
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post #98 of 175
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Regarding previous stories, I thought this one was pertinent:

 

 

(PS- Appleinsider covered it too)

 

Bottom line: I think Samsung saw this coming. Last November, they probably recognized the second Apple lawsuit looming (which they largely ducked), a slow-down in the smartphone market, their flop launch of smartwatches, being behind in 64-bit development, little new to offer in their upcoming S5, and Apple's progressive move to other suppliers. In addition, I personally think Tizen will be as successful as if Dell had switched from Windows boxes to Linux.

 

Yeah, they still make money - Samsung makes vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, industrial equipment, and a billion other things. But their smartphone success is evaporating. 

 

Yup.  To me, the S5 felt like a cheap way to freshen up the Galaxy S line.  And apparently consumers felt that way too.

 

But Samsung may still eventually switch to Tizen.  Yes, it's absolutely terrible.  I've played with one or two Tizen test devices,

and they were godawful.  But Tizen runs Android apps, and Samsung has their own bizarre UI layer that covers up bare Android.

End users might never know the difference, except that their purchases happen on Samsung Hub instead of Google Play.

 

Don't worry about Samsung though.  Their core competencies are TVs, refrigerators, and other medium-tech home appliances.

Come to think of it, Samsung and Google are two of a kind.  They have no partners in their respective industries.  Only enemies.  

Because they enter markets and attempt to copy features from successful products, then undercut competitors' pricing.

They grow roots, pry their way into many markets, and go as far as they can.  Like some kind of mindless weed.

Google is far worse, though.  Their products don't even need to sell.  They make all their money from ads.


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  • Touch ID, I will give to Apple, is a pretty innovative feature and one that actually works well as I've played with it on my girlfriends 5S.
  • 64-bit processing is something all smartphones should have, which is one huge issue I have with Samsung... makes for a super smooth and fluid feel across the OS, which is why I enjoy the iPhone more. 
  • Of course Apple can't develop a brand new product category annually, it's not possible.

 

 

I am well aware of Apple's advances in technology, but I don't find them innovative. 

 

 

ಠ_ಠ

 

So after listing clear, recent examples of Apple innovation and technological prowess, which corporate pariah Samsung has been unable to copy, and after acknowledging that it's impossible for any company to introduce revolutionary products every year, you then contradict yourself by claiming you don't find them innovative? Who do you find innovative? Samsung? Google? Microsoft?

 

 

  • Apple did not invent the touchscreen, it has been around since the 80's, probably earlier. Apple brought the multi-point touchscreen to the smartphone.

 

Apple didn't invent the touchscreen - they did much more than that. After many years of the top tech companies in the world producing and refining their cell phones, Apple introduced a product that completely revolutionized the field in multiple ways. They perfected the touchscreen - not just in terms of responsiveness and display clarity, but also in user interface design. Ridiculed by both the press and competitors alike, they did away with the tired idea of cramming a desktop UI into a handheld device and completely simplified it to the point where anyone could instantly figure out how to use it with little or no instruction. They delivered the first real mobile web browsing experience that didn't suck. They incorporated a multitude of sensors and leveraged them to make the device work like magic.

 

All this with version 1.0 of a product with which they had zero experience. And all of this they continue to do today, albeit in a more iterative fashion since as you readily admit, it's impossible to change the world on a regular yearly schedule.

 

No offense, but you come across as the stereotypical PC guy: focused entirely on a product's spec sheet with little regard for real word utility - little appreciation for things like good design, high quality materials, and a company's focus on its end users' satisfaction, privacy and security. Apple often mentions focusing on the intersection of technology and liberal arts. You seem to have a limited understanding of one and a total disregard for the other.

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I can't disagree with your summation although a silver for (and now back to copying) ripping off Apple's IP at every turn (which they have admitted in court) isn't a worthy medal in my book. Although, I am sure their shareholders didn't care.

What makes Samsung good business people is that they recognized there wasn't time to develop a platform from scratch.  Wholesale copying was the only chance they had.  I'm not condoning the copying.  I'm just saying that Samsung is a better-run company than Microsoft, Blackberry, Nokia, etc, because Samsung recognized the path to success.  And it wasn't just because Samdung has a culture of copying and companies like Microsoft don't.  Quite the contrary, Microsoft has a history of copying and anti-competition.  No, I think Microsoft took a different approach because MS thought it could do a better job.  MS has this delusional belief that it has a successful brand when in reality it has a successful monopoly.  If anything, MS's brand has negative value.      

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You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. 

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Touch ID, I will give to Apple, is a pretty innovative feature and one that actually works well as I've played with it on my girlfriends 5S. 64-bit processing is something all smartphones should have, which is one huge issue I have with Samsung. The difference of using a 64-bit processor makes for a super smooth and fluid feel across the OS, which is why I enjoy the iPhone more. 

Clueless? No. I put my opinion out there, and I am well aware of Apple's advances in technology, but I don't find them innovative. 

Hot damn, we found the guy who is the arbiter of innovation! I'm glad you gave Apple credit for the 64-bit chip. What about the M7?

Outside of Apple, what other company has innovated in the cell phone market since 2007?
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So after listing clear, recent examples of Apple innovation and technological prowess, which corporate pariah Samsung has been unable to copy, and after acknowledging that it's impossible for any company to introduce revolutionary products every year, you then contradict yourself by claiming you don't find them innovative? Who do you find innovative? Samsung? Google? Microsoft?

 

 

Apple didn't invent the touchscreen - they did much more than that. After many years of the top tech companies in the world producing and refining their cell phones, Apple introduced a product that completely revolutionized the field in multiple ways. They perfected the touchscreen - not just in terms of responsiveness and display clarity, but also in user interface design. Ridiculed by both the press and competitors alike, they did away with the tired idea of cramming a desktop UI into a handheld device and completely simplified it to the point where anyone could instantly figure out how to use it with little or no instruction. They delivered the first real mobile web browsing experience that didn't suck. They incorporated a multitude of sensors and leveraged them to make the device work like magic.

 

All this with version 1.0 of a product with which they had zero experience. And all of this they continue to do today, albeit in a more iterative fashion since as you readily admit, it's impossible to change the world on a regular yearly schedule.

 

No offense, but you come across as the stereotypical PC guy: focused entirely on a product's spec sheet with little regard for real word utility - little appreciation for things like good design, high quality materials, and a company's focus on its end users' satisfaction, privacy and security. Apple often mentions focusing on the intersection of technology and liberal arts. You seem to have a limited understanding of one and a total disregard for the other.

Totally agree.  Remember when all the pundits said that the iPhone would be a paper weight and that Apple had no business getting into the smartphone market?  Remember how they all told us that the business world would never use a phone without a physical keyboard?  Remember how everyone said the iPhone was just a "toy."  Remember how the iPad was just a big iPod touch?

In patent law, commercial success and copying are two important indicia of non-obviousness.  I've always thought that Apple should have tried to get broader utility patents on the iPhone simply based on its commercial success and copying.  They should be able to shut Samsung down.

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What makes Samsung good business people is that they recognized there wasn't time to develop a platform from scratch.  Wholesale copying was the only chance they had.  I'm not condoning the copying.  I'm just saying that Samsung is a better-run company than Microsoft, Blackberry, Nokia, etc, because Samsung recognized the path to success.  And it wasn't just because Samdung has a culture of copying and companies like Microsoft don't.  Quite the contrary, Microsoft has a history of copying and anti-competition.  No, I think Microsoft took a different approach because MS thought it could do a better job.  MS has this delusional belief that it has a successful brand when in reality it has a successful monopoly.  If anything, MS's brand has negative value.      

 

Samsung is not good in business.

 

They got lucky.  Flat out.  They stumbled upon making GIAGANTIC screens and the market ate it up.  There would always be a huge market for Android phones because of price.  Samsung was just the lucky one.  It will only go down hill from now on.  Profits are down 25% and top end unit sales are down 35%.  Soon they will need to cut marketing and that will lessen sales even more.  The Chinese companies will destroy Samsung's mid-range phones and they will be forced to cut prices even more.

 

Can you say Nokia 2.0?

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Google's most profitable Android partner is losing altitude. But, hey, just look at that market share!

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Samsung is not good in business.

 

They got lucky.  Flat out.  They stumbled upon making GIAGANTIC screens and the market ate it up.  There would always be a huge market for Android phones because of price.  Samsung was just the lucky one.  It will only go down hill from now on.  Profits are down 25% and top end unit sales are down 35%.  Soon they will need to cut marketing and that will lessen sales even more.  The Chinese companies will destroy Samsung's mid-range phones and they will be forced to cut prices even more.

 

Can you say Nokia 2.0?

This.

 

The things Samsung does best are strealing, bribing governments, and turning a blind eye for a decade while their employees get cancer.  They have those 3 things down to an art.

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Originally Posted by freediverx View Post
 

 

ಠ_ಠ

 

So after listing clear, recent examples of Apple innovation and technological prowess, which corporate pariah Samsung has been unable to copy, and after acknowledging that it's impossible for any company to introduce revolutionary products every year, you then contradict yourself by claiming you don't find them innovative? Who do you find innovative? Samsung? Google? Microsoft?

 

 

Apple didn't invent the touchscreen - they did much more than that. After many years of the top tech companies in the world producing and refining their cell phones, Apple introduced a product that completely revolutionized the field in multiple ways. They perfected the touchscreen - not just in terms of responsiveness and display clarity, but also in user interface design. Ridiculed by both the press and competitors alike, they did away with the tired idea of cramming a desktop UI into a handheld device and completely simplified it to the point where anyone could instantly figure out how to use it with little or no instruction. They delivered the first real mobile web browsing experience that didn't suck. They incorporated a multitude of sensors and leveraged them to make the device work like magic.

 

All this with version 1.0 of a product with which they had zero experience. And all of this they continue to do today, albeit in a more iterative fashion since as you readily admit, it's impossible to change the world on a regular yearly schedule.

 

No offense, but you come across as the stereotypical PC guy: focused entirely on a product's spec sheet with little regard for real word utility - little appreciation for things like good design, high quality materials, and a company's focus on its end users' satisfaction, privacy and security. Apple often mentions focusing on the intersection of technology and liberal arts. You seem to have a limited understanding of one and a total disregard for the other.

 

I never said that Apple was not innovative as a company, I was talking in regards to the iPhone. As another member pointed out, Apple has been the most innovative tech company in regards to the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. I give them credit for setting the bar for all of those devices, and setting the path for others to mirror off of. Yes, prior to the iPhone all other phones had a keyboard and small non-touch screen, and there wasn't much innovation at all during that time until Apple introduced the iPhone, and all others followed. They did provide a web browsing experience that wasn't "watered-down." I'll never forget the first time I opened a website and the difference in it between my then Cingular flip phone. 

 

Stereotypical PC guy. I haven't heard that one yet, but as mentioned in my other post, I own a Macbook Pro 15" that I'm absolutely in love with, and I'll never go back to PC. You mention specs and how your "stereotypical PC guy" is only focused on the specs it comes with and not the function. I upgraded my RAM to 8GB and my harddrive to a SSD, but that's so my laptop continues to run smoothly while operating intense programs such as Photoshop and Lightroom. 

 

I'm assuming by your last sentence you claim I have little understanding of technology and no regard for liberal arts or design, but that is far from the truth. I believe in function over form, but the iPhone delivers both for me. Compared to my S4, I grab my iPhone nine out of ten times to do things related to productivity and general work, regardless of the smaller screen. Why? Because it just seems to work better. It's hard to explain, but I use my iPhone if I want to get things done, and my Android for things like games/social media where a larger screen is more important. I'm sure you can relate to that as well, but the functionally of iOS is there, for both mobile and desktop. 

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Samsung's pain will grow when Apple's healthy numbers come out for the latest quarter.
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Die Samesung Die.

After iPhone 6 it will get worst.
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Samsung should stick to just making components and TV's. I have one thing in my house made by Samsung and that's my 10 year old microwave. I have to give them kudos on their kitchen appliances.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob View Post
 

You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. 

Either you think we are ignorant, or you are.  Because you left out some of the real innovative stuff that happened with iPhone hardware over the last year or so, and even Sammy with all of their resources can't match them.  Go figure it out and then come back with tail between legs.


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What makes Samsung good business people is that they recognized there wasn't time to develop a platform from scratch.  Wholesale copying was the only chance they had.  I'm not condoning the copying.  I'm just saying that Samsung is a better-run company than Microsoft, Blackberry, Nokia, etc, because Samsung recognized the path to success.  And it wasn't just because Samdung has a culture of copying and companies like Microsoft don't.  Quite the contrary, Microsoft has a history of copying and anti-competition.  No, I think Microsoft took a different approach because MS thought it could do a better job.  MS has this delusional belief that it has a successful brand when in reality it has a successful monopoly.  If anything, MS's brand has negative value.      

I agree with you say, especially about Microsoft. Their attempts at being original for the first time in their history has been a complete failure. Microsoft is a company about not to be here if they are not careful. The rest already left.
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You forgot the /sarcasm tag.

Thank you for reading between the lines. 

Actually, I forgot the /sarcasm tag.

Just chill a bit, while you're at it.
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Samsung's pain will grow when Apple's healthy numbers come out for the latest quarter.

Agreed. I have to think they are having a very serious rethink about their strategy going forward. It's not too late for them to change. It's not as if, other than Apple, they have any competition.
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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob View Post

You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. 

64-bit chip, co-processor for gyro data, a fingerprint scanner that actually works, super smooth and fluid UI, etc...to name a few.
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You didn't answer my question at all.  I said name a single company that has released 3 revolutionary products in the last 15 years.  I didn't say name revolutionary things- that would be ludicrous.  I said name a company.  Which, of course, you can't do.

Apple is the innovator the past decade and a half.  Particularly in the technology field.  Period.


You're the clown that came in here touting that Apple doesn't innovate anything.  So when you come in here with that douchebag attitude, don't expect to kindly be responded to.  Douchebags will be responded to like douchebags should be responded to.

He/she is going to dodge the question of specifics, or make some sloppy generalizations. Nothing more. A classic case of starting with their conclusion and then cherry picking "evidence" to support it while ignoring the rest.

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Originally Posted by mostcallmerob View Post

You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. 


they were the first to create products that looked great and work greet for me. Which is as good an innovation as any.

When I was looking for a way to control the smart board in my classroom wirelessly in 2012, only the Apple TV presented itself as a viable alternative. It was easy to setup and figure out, and remains one of the more reliable means of doing so, which I feel is impressive considering it hasn't been updated in 2 years.

I moved to a Mac in 2011 and haven't looked back since. Apple products represent integrated solutions which "just work" for me, and have more than paid for themselves in the form of improved productivity and fewer headaches.

If apple isn't innovating, then nobody else in the smartphone, tablet or computing industry is innovating, IMO.
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In my post #3 some idiot replied that what I wrote was a rant without details. Of course it was a rant, it just was a short one. Samsung's dishonesty is catching up with Samsung. Do I need proof? This is what happens in business when you are disingenuous for too long of a period of time. Samsung is trying to outspend it's competitors, leak (ha) false information, and despite all the money spent, it isn't working but they think if they pump more coal in the furnace it HAS to work. Apple Insider doesn't NOT require "rants" to be missing from this website, we are expressing our displeasure where as you want to concentrate, like some others do, on spelling grammar, and rants. Elementary school is over bud!

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You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market?

The use of an intuitive, fluidly responsive multitouch UI designed to be used without a stylus. This revolutionized all smartphones. Competitors had to copy it or see their marketshare decline. Blackberry and Nokia still picking up the pieces of their former businesses. Palm already died. Windows Mobile saw their marketshare collapse.

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With Sapphire iPhone 6 people will know which phone is truly premium
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You sir, should probably shut up and go away. Having 33,000 posts in less than four years is disgusting. That's a rough average of 23 a day, do you have a life? Let me answer that for you. No, you don't, you sit on your computer all day posting on a forum dedicated to Apple. Get out of your "coma" and go outside. 

Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic troll. You have no argument. Every single word you have said has been disproven. Nothing you say is even remotely correct. You have absolutely no right to continue posting whatsoever. It is not your opinion. Trolling is not an opinion.
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I don't find them innovative. 

Good for you. You're completely and utterly wrong.

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Even if [the 5.5” iPhone exists], it doesn’t deserve to.
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