Originally Posted by PatchyThePirate
I don't feel like sifting through a bunch of old posts, rehashing old arguments, or getting into prolonged discussions about this, so my reply to you is going to be limited. As for omitting information, you seemed to do a good job of that in saying that android was not meant to be competitive against Apple (when it clearly was, as stated by google employees), and then trying to blame Steve Jobs who "made it an issue" while ignoring/omitting: 1) the context that google was getting evidence (direct, indirect, or both) via eric schmidt that likely influenced android's development and 2) the evidence that google significantly changed the direction of android's development in reaction to the iPhone being released, thus making it competitive to iPhone. As for promoting an agenda, in addition to the last example, you often spin information, and I'm not the only one who's noticed this.
Fair enough as I probably wouldn't take the time to do so either unless I already had an idea where to look.
Anyway, as far as yours or anyone else's claim that Eric Schmidt was taking Apple secrets back to share with Google it's simply an urban myth with no factual basis. No one with Apple ever hinted at it, no blogger with connections to Apple ever hinted at it, and there's no evidence whatsoever that you or anyone else has offered other than he was "in the right place at the right time" if he had wanted to.
I also did not "blame" Steve Jobs. What I said was that whether Google wanted to ignore comment made by him or not it became impossible to ignore and his reaction meant Google now had to deal with Apple too.
On to the reason for the purchase and initial development of Android by Google. It had nothing to do with Apple, much less meant to harm them. Period. There was no iOS or iPhone back then, nor had Steve Jobs even green-lighted developing one. We're talking about 2004/2005, absolutely-no-doubt-about-it pre-iPhone. Pretend all you want that Google was going after Apple. This is one of those instances where DED and I agree. Google was worried about Microsoft, not Apple. After Jobs reaction now Google had to worry about Apple as well.
Did Google change their hardware-build focus after seeing the iPhone? They obviously and clearly did. Apple had a great idea and had Google not recognized it they would have been pulling a Blackberry and sliding towards irrelevancy, and before they barely started. But to offer proof they weren't going after Apple they purposely avoided activating the already built-in multi-touch capability, the iPhone's premier feature, at the request of Mr. Jobs. The first Android phone, the G1, was intentionally crippled, with the function stripped out even tho it was there. If they were trying to hurt Apple why would they handicap their initial efforts? Palm sure didn't and they ended up being the impetus for Google finally activating multi-touch in late 2009 when Apple let it ride. Yet again not doing so would have been a step backwards towards irrelevance with other competing platforms now offering it. Simple common sense sir.
Now if you were to say Google today
is competing with Apple in some areas I would 100% agree with you. But that's not the way Google and Android started out. Fact.
If you feel up to refuting any of this go for it. If you have facts to contradict anything then link away. Otherwise it's just a difference of opinion without facts on your side. Hardly rises to the level of trolling, tho perhaps you have your own definition of it that includes "I don't like what you said".Edited by Gatorguy - 7/16/14 at 6:29pm