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post #41 of 66
Forgive my ignorance, but why the concern over vulnerability of "state secrets"? Is this about eavesdropping on gov't officials' phones (like the Merkel case) or that people will keep sensitive info in their iPhones?
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In a country where any political system but communism is a national security concern, I don’t think we should care much about whatever else they have to say.


You don't know all US government documents are confidential and classified? 

post #43 of 66
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Forgive my ignorance, but why the concern over vulnerability of "state secrets"? Is this about eavesdropping on gov't officials' phones (like the Merkel case) or that people will keep sensitive info in their iPhones?


There was one interesting news when Chinese President Xi and his wife were visiting US a couple years ago.  His wife was photographed of using an iPhone to take a picture of interesting place. 

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Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post
You don't know all US government documents are confidential and classified? 

 

Is there any word in this sentence other than ‘government’ which is relevant to the quoted text?

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Is there any word in this sentence other than ‘government’ which is relevant to the quoted text?


Yes, you have a biased view.  I point out the fact to you. 

post #46 of 66
Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post
Yes, you have a biased view.  I point out the fact to you. 

 

Still nothing whatsoever to do with what I said.

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post #47 of 66
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Still nothing whatsoever to do with what I said.


We should care because Chinese government may take actions against Apple based on irrational understanding of location services. 

post #48 of 66
For once I think Apple is wrong on location tracking. The privacy concern is real. It tracks my phone in Public Area//Cinema/Friend's Home as system service function rather than an third-party app.
post #49 of 66

Now that's the "pot calling the kettle black"!!!

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Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post
We should care because Chinese government may take actions against Apple based on irrational understanding of location services. 


How hard was that to post initially?!

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post #51 of 66
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Between this and the recent court case loss, it sounds like Apple missed a protection payment to the CCP.  Once the Chinese politicians have been paid, everything bad will go away.

I would agree. Apple was not allowed to SELL THE IPHONE IN CHINA until they sealed up its ability to anonymously surf sel-made wifi and allow the government to track all types of social media that might be posted. The Chinese Govt DEMANDED more accurate tracking features than Apple was putting in American phones for the longest time.

Somebody didn't realize Apple was just letting the tracking be PUBLIC... And that capitalists were using it. Big Brother Apple and the phone company track ALL Chinese iPhones the same. It's illegal to turn it off there. That applies to all the Commrades... Oops
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There was one interesting news when Chinese President Xi and his wife were visiting US a couple years ago.  His wife was photographed of using an iPhone to take a picture of interesting place. 

Yes, interesting. Sorry, but it has nothing to do with my question.
post #53 of 66
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Man how awesome would it be if we didn't need China for manufacturing. Or if the US government didn't need China to finance it's massive debt. Would be so nice to be able to give a big middle finger to the Chinese government.

Yup. It would be awesome to be able to fck China over and tell them to go to hell...lol


Edited by fallenjt - 7/11/14 at 12:39pm
post #54 of 66

I find it interesting that the far greater threat to Chinese security (Android) goes unremarked upon.

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post #55 of 66
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China is right on, Apps that want your location are a privacy invasion. Most of those Apps don't need that location info.

It's become a pain continually refusing App requests for my location. 

Some Apps I delete rather than turn on location for them.

Just turn locations services entirely off then.

post #56 of 66
Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post
I find it interesting that the far greater threat to Chinese security (Android) goes unremarked upon.

 

Google knows who to pay and how much to pay them.

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post #57 of 66
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Google knows who to pay and how much to pay them.

Hardly unless they know and just refuse to take part in it. If it were true Google and every one of their services would not be blocked in China. 1hmm.gif Turkey, Iran and Pakistan are the other three bastions of personal freedom blocking at least some Google services. Any other big tech have a problem selling/shipping product to those countries? Any of them? If anything it's some of the others that have figured out where the grease gets applied. (pssst, Microsoft)

http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/
http://blogs.seattletimes.com/microsoftpri0/2013/08/22/report-u-s-government-widens-investigation-into-foreign-bribery-allegations-against-microsoft-and-partners/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/technology/us-said-to-look-into-microsoft-bribery-allegations.html?_r=0

Try this: Use whatever search provider you like and request "(insert tech name) accused of bribery". See what comes up.

Sidenote: DuckDuckGo results look like mirror images of Bing search results. Even the same order. 1bugeye.gif
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post #58 of 66
Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post
Hardly unless they know and just refuse to take part in it.

 

They’re selling their products in the country. They are taking part in it.

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post #59 of 66
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They’re selling their products in the country. They are taking part in it.
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They’re selling their products in the country. They are taking part in it.

Hmmm. . . taking part in "it". What is "it", bribery? Something else? If so what?
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post #60 of 66

C'mon, China!  Why so grumpy?

 

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Man how awesome would it be if we didn't need China for manufacturing.

 

I'm thinking the recent story on the FoxConn bots.  If Apple can run their own factories with robots in the US, we may actually get there.  Which will make China even more grumpy.

 

Imagine the strategic advantage if Samsung's devices are still partially or largely hand-assembled and Apple has it's little secretive Willy Wonka factories that no one ever goes into or comes out of - just shiny product. :)

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post #61 of 66

cant help the irony of the whole press release... a commie state is complaining about the privacy "issue" in iPhone? !?!?! 

post #62 of 66
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cant help the irony of the whole press release... a commie state is complaining about the privacy "issue" in iPhone? !?!?! 

Yes, because every country's government is deeply involved in spying. It's one of the "monopoly" government functions they reserve for their own job security.

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post #63 of 66

Ask yourself this: "Wouldn't the Chinese government love to keep track of where all of its citizens are at any given moment, even better than they do now?" Since the answer to that is clearly and emphatically "YES!!!" what is this really about? It's about favoring Chinese made alternatives to Apple products.

 

Also, does China actually have any state secrets of any value that it hasn't stolen from others? What a joke! Maybe those Chinese government hackers who were trying to steal stuff from Boeing accidentally announced on Foursquare that they were the mayor of the secret facility in Beijing?

post #64 of 66
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You don't know all US government documents are confidential and classified? 

Actually, you are misinformed on this. US government documents can be unclassified and freely available to the public. They can also be sensitive, only viewed by a certain people in specific countries and of course there are several levels of confidential and classified documents with all sorts of access restrictions. There are also export controlled documents, which can be viewed by Americans but not sent outside this country. 

 

I do know what I'm talking about. I worked for the US government for over 30 years and know this topic very well.

post #65 of 66
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Actually, you are misinformed on this. US government documents can be unclassified and freely available to the public. They can also be sensitive, only viewed by a certain people in specific countries and of course there are several levels of confidential and classified documents with all sorts of access restrictions. There are also export controlled documents, which can be viewed by Americans but not sent outside this country. 

 

I do know what I'm talking about. I worked for the US government for over 30 years and know this topic very well.

Do you realize you are supporting my statements?  You gave several examples of US documents that are classified and confidential.  You failed to give a few examples of US documents that are available to the public.  

post #66 of 66
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Do you realize you are supporting my statements?  You gave several examples of US documents that are classified and confidential.  You failed to give a few examples of US documents that are available to the public.  

I told you all documents are NOT confidential or classified. That is not supporting your statement. If you performed a simple search, you'd find them. Here's a start. I'm not going to tell you how to find any others, that's up to you. 

 

http://www.archives.gov/research/alic/reference/govt-docs.html

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