Originally Posted by tribalogical
I scoured the Beats website and googled for information about the basic frequency response of Beats products (headphones, earbuds, speakers)... not. one. word. about it. A search of the Beats websites for "frequency response" yields "no results".
Seriously nothing, aside from a few third-party DIY audiophiles on Google that made FR graphs comparing various headphones... and those are all over the map.
Every mainstream tech, news, reporting and review outlet is trumpeting the greatness and cool of Beats products (and making money from that song and dance), and yet, not a SINGLE ONE mentions the thing that matters most to these devices: the accuracy of their reproduction. The simplest measure, "frequency response" is non-existent. Instead "what matters" is all tangled up into clever double-speak and marketing copy and "cool"...
What a shallow, horrible scam!
When you are completely hiding the very specifications that make a truly great pair of headphones, and hiding those behind a bunch of highly polished web pages and marketing-speak? That's the worst kind of 'snake oil' salesmanship and misdirection out there.
Either Apple has been taken in by it, or the buy has nothing to do with the headphones (although, judging by the headphone quality of iPods, etc. Apple doesn't seem to have much clarity or much vested there, really. When it comes to headphones, they only seem to practice the Samsung "good enough" approach).
When a product has great "aesthetic" design, but not much else in delivered quality, what good is it? Honestly, what good is an awesome looking, well-manufactured pair of headphones that sound awful? Other than adding to a wardrobe ensemble?
From the few FR graphs I did see by googling it, these are really REALLY bad headphones...
I won't judge until I hear them for myself, but I'm not sure i"m going to bother, considering their clear level of dishonesty (hiding the facts that matter to a product like this).
From what I've seen though, I'm not sure the "real thing" is going to be any better than the knockoffs.............
I'm no fan of Beats but it's no more a scam than the AC unit I had that the manufacturer had zero info about the spec that I wanted, or the external hard drive tech chart that doesn't even tell you the cache or speed of the drive inside. If they don't want you to know it's usually all you need to know.
In Beats' case legit freq response charts are out there, though for sure nowhere on their site, and they're not that hard to find. (Search images instead of web.) Just as a visual they're all so nuts looking that Beats knows that even an untrained eye will compare them to the headphones on the shelf to the right and it won't be good for sales. But it's meaningless to view how incomprehensible their frequency response is for music listening at large. They're marketed directly at rap/hip hop listeners, and that's literally what 90% of those genres charts look like. The Beats models all pretty much have different freq responses, but if you look at, IIRC, their MIXR (might be another one) model's chart (wide, ramped up lows more and below standard headphones, and dropping off at the highs far sooner than "normal" headphones, with a huge crazy spike in the high mids), it's not all that different from other headphones in the same category (DJ) such as the generally well regarded (for their purpose) under $100 Pioneer HDJ-500, which has a similarly ugly looking chart, as do other DJ headphones by others. These will indeed sound awful for classical, folk, country, pop, pop/rock, basically anything else, which needs highs past 8k for acoustic instruments and doesn't want the bass drum to suddenly become the loudest thing in the music by 5x when it wasn't meant to be. Even spoken word, which can survive getting the highs chopped off, loses it's clarity when the lows are cranked so much.
I think the reason people still miss that the enormously selling Beats knows it's not for these other genres and isn't selling them as such is that they can't conceive of a world where rap and hip hop dominate the music world and much of our culture, and is so big that it doesn't need the rest of the music world's/listeners' approval. It's probably mostly because when one is not a fan of something (I am personally not) people tend to ignore and have a wrong perception of how the market pie slices are divided up. Many people still think the size of the slice for music that fits the Beats profile, both literally and their eq profile is a small, niche market, but those days are long gone.