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Look at the wide, flat plastic headband.

Only the top of it as the padded and textured bottom side has no resemblance whatsoever to any Beats headphone IMO. No fan of Samsung myself but I don't see the design as a rip-off of Beats. The market focus and model line-up? Yeah, maybe.
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post #42 of 98
My gosh, they're not even -attempting- to look original this time.
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When I read about this earlier today I thought it was a new "copycat" product that Samsung brought out after the Apple/Beats deal. I was mistaken. The Level series was introduced back in April, prior to any Beats purchase rumor. The news today was simply that the product will now be available in the US too. My bad.

From an April review:
"The Level Over is clearly the flagship: big, cushiony over-the-ear cans with a padded headband. I found them very comfortable. The outside faces of the headphones are touchpads; you stroke them to change the volume or pause the music. They pair with other devices by NFC (tap to pair), they have active noise cancellation, and they work in Bluetooth lossless Apt-X or wired modes. The headphones have 30 hours of Bluetooth battery life with noise cancellation off.
Samsung made a big deal about its 50mm neodymium driver, which it says provides "more natural" sound. The sound was rich, absorbing, and didn't overly play up the bass. My notes include the words "bell-like" and "crystalline." Are these nice headphones? You bet. Price will be very relevant."

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post #44 of 98
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Samsung and Beats are both fashion accessories. Neither is about "premium sound." They're just designed to make the wearer look cool.

The iPhone was a crappy phone* until iPhone 5.

Didn't stop people from buying them, did it? It sure made them look cool...

*(I owned 3GS, 4 & 5. 5 is a great phone. The others were nice miniature computers and music players)
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post #45 of 98
Reacting willy nilly to everything Apple does is not a good strategy in the long run. Microsoft made the same mistake.
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They are just too funny, never an original idea from those guys. I'm not holding my breath for Scammy to copy Apple's energy strategy but I am waiting for them to announce they are partnering with a major database and server company since the Apple /IBM deal. I guess they could cozy up to Oracle .... oh ... then again perhaps not.
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post #47 of 98
I won't consider Beats an Apple product till Jony Ive designs a set.
post #48 of 98
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Look at the wide, flat plastic headband.

 

 

Good point, it does look similar. The padding on the speaker housing looks similar as well. I was focusing more on the outer speaker housing part of the headphones. I guess it has copied some aspects but not others, do we know where they copied the outer speaker housing from?

 

edit: forgot the quote

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Reacting willy nilly to everything Apple does is not a good strategy in the long run. Microsoft made the same mistake.

True that, it served them well for thirty years. it was only when they finally tried to go it alone and be original in Mobile did Microsoft fall flat on their faces
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I bet he is already working on that. Not that Apple bought Beats for their head phones but luckily Scamsung reads AI and came to believe they did. 1biggrin.gif
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post #51 of 98
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The iPhone was a crappy phone* until iPhone 5.

Didn't stop people from buying them, did it? It sure made them look cool...

*(I owned 3GS, 4 & 5. 5 is a great phone. The others were nice miniature computers and music players)

Everyone copied the iPhone for a reason. I'm still waiting for a good droid.
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The original Beats designs were (IMHO) ugly and obnoxious, but the latest models look and sound good. Critics are loath to give the company a second glance, preferring instead to continue the old carp.

There is a huge divide between the original Beats and their latest offerings. They've had many years of classy designs. I posted many examples back when this the acquisition was just a rumour. As for sound, I have only read a few reviews. Certainly not from all the dozens of headphone models they offer. I read that the new Beats Solo 2 have reduced the bass considerably but I have neither tested them nor read an extensive review.

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post #54 of 98

Weren't these shown months ago? Why is it news now?

 

Personally I think they look over the top, but I'm not a fan of the look of Beats headphones either - both look like cans only kids who dream about growing up to be rappers or in the UFC wear.

 

Hopefully Apple can help Beats actually make decent headphones - their newest ones seem notable only for not sucking for the price. I recently was looking for new headphones for work and was able to buy a set of Sennheiser Momentums in ivory for $220. I  compared them against a bunch of headphones - IMO sounded way better than the Beats and I much preferred the toned down look.

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I wonder if he's thinking "Jesus Christ Tim do I really have to do this?" lol.gif
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The iPhone was a crappy phone* until iPhone 5.

Didn't stop people from buying them, did it? It sure made them look cool...

*(I owned 3GS, 4 & 5. 5 is a great phone. The others were nice miniature computers and music players)


That's strange. My original iPhone, 3 and 3G were all great phones as far as phones go. I think the later phones are worse.

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No no... they'd call it the GMW i328. Then they'd make a higher performance variant called the 3M.

As a car enthusiast, I got your rather clever joke. 1wink.gif

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post #58 of 98
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I won't consider Beats an Apple product till Jony Ive designs a set.

 

No thanks. Besides the suck-ass bass-heavy sound, they would be too pastel for me.

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Samsung is so annoying and sad.

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No no... they'd call it the GMW i328. Then they'd make a higher performance variant called the 3M.

That also works if General Motors Company were to ever buy BMW. In fact, I'd bet anything that how people would make fun of BMW if such a horrible thing were to occur.

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post #61 of 98

Whatever Samsung has to offer it isn't going to be hard to top the quality of Beats. They won't sell as well but Beats sound and quality is bad. They will always be bass heavy because that is the market they appeal too. Best advice I ever got form the Apple store was V-MODA.  Once I got my first set never had a need for anything else. Awesome sound, kevlar reenforced cables you just can't wear them out. Beats you are lucking if you don't crack the cheap plastic within 6 months. 

 

Apple use to sell them not sure why they stopped. 

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Are you kidding me?  The Sammy headphones are called LEVEL?  As in, FLAT?  Just what I want.  Flat sound.  Yeah, flat sound, it's so level you can't even hear the beats.  

 

Marketing genius!  Clearly Sammy didn't quite understand the parable of Chevy trying to sell the Nova in latin America. Sammy has succeeded where even Chevrolet failed!

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp 

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Embarassing.


Yes, it is. Where did you learn to spell like that? :D

 

j/k!

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Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post

When I read about this earlier today I thought it was a new "copycat" product that Samsung brought out after the Apple/Beats deal. I was mistaken. The Level series was introduced back in April, prior to any Beats purchase rumor. The news today was simply that the product will now be available in the US too. My bad.
 

 

You make a good point.

 

It's unreasonable...

 

 

...after all these years...

 

 

...to assume...

 

 

...that Samsung...

 

...may be copying...

 

 

...Apple...

 

 

...especially...

 

...after...

 

 

...they admitted...

 

 

...themselves...

 

 

...that they...

 

 

...lead...

 

 

...by...

 

 

...following...

 

 

It's amazing how people will jump to conclusions.

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You make a good point.

 

It's unreasonable...

 

 

...after all these years...

 

 

...to assume...

 

 

...that Samsung...

 

...may be copying...

 

 

...Apple...

 

 

...especially...

 

...after...

 

 

...they admitted...

 

 

...themselves...

 

 

...that they...

 

 

...lead...

 

 

...by...

 

 

...following...

 

 

It's amazing how people will jump to conclusions.

This is beautiful.

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Withdraw all US troops from South Korea.

You just won the thread! LOL!

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post #67 of 98

At least now we know why Samsung didn't buy Beats last year... they just copied them instead.

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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post
You just won the thread! LOL!

 

Honestly, the SK’s have had our money, training, and hardware for 60 years. Their stuff is as close to parity with ours as our government allows to be sold to our allies-who-could-someday-become-enemies.

 

They can take the North themselves.

 

North Korea has no outside support, no modern technology, and nothing newer than 1970s tech. They have rockets that can’t make it past the peninsula, nukes but no warheads, and while they have the largest standing army in the world, numbers have never meant anything in war.

 

The South can take the North themselves.

 

And I would greatly prefer the US not to pay to rebuild the North once reunification happens. We already paid to build Japan and South Korea, seeing nothing from that in physical gains. Let Korea fix Korea. After the war finishes, let the Koreans pay to rebuild their nation. Does two things: takes Korea off the world stage for at least 30 years, as their entire economy would be tailored domestically, and with Seoul the primary/only target in the war, Samsung-Jeong would certainly be leveled. Goodbye, Samsung! I still prefer the Norks attack at 3AM when there’s no one in the buildings.


Come on, Kimmy! Go completely insane over that parody movie and finish the war! You know you want to!

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post #69 of 98

so... beats owns the shape and style of most headphones now.  they should also sue Sure, Sony, Panasonic, Klipsch, etc.  

 

the samsung ones have more padding/cushion, the outside ear pieces are different, and no doubt sound different.  

 

i like apple too- but sheesh.  it is like suing every bicycle company because someone came up with a two wheeler with a seat and handlebars.

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Everyone copied the iPhone for a reason. I'm still waiting for a good droid.

You'll be waiting forever for a good Android phone, and with Samsung looking to... ahem... diversify the OS's they are using on their phones, Android might start being on the way out. That 22% of Samsung Androids starts ticking down, bringing the entire Android install base down as they are thrown out after 2 years. Then the Android investors will start freaking out.

As for this speakers thing. Sound is a very subjective thing, and with age, people lose their hearing starting from the higher pitches. There are studies showing that people think "louder" and "bass-heavy" music sounds better, even when the sound quality is much much worse. MP3 and AAC lossy compression at lower bitrates throws away the delicate sounds. That's why electronic music and dubstep aren't so terrible when compressed, but classical music is utterly destroyed by lossy compression.
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Jony doesn't design them. He has an entire team of talented designers and engineers that he coordinates with, now that he's a senior executive.

 

Consider it a Professorial Advisor/Ph.D. candidate relationship: The Professor gets his name on all the work the candidate did, under his/her `guidance,' irregardless if they actually helped shape the work.

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I know that the readers of AI are some of the most intelligent people in the world. But I just want to mention that although Apple has done a lot of inventive things trough out the years, I do not think Apple invented the speaker or headphones. I think these products existed long before Apple was even a company. I might be wrong, but I am just saying.

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Honestly, the SK’s have had our money, training, and hardware for 60 years. Their stuff is as close to parity with ours as our government allows to be sold to our allies-who-could-someday-become-enemies.

 

They can take the North themselves.

 

North Korea has no outside support, no modern technology, and nothing newer than 1970s tech. They have rockets that can’t make it past the peninsula, nukes but no warheads, and while they have the largest standing army in the world, numbers have never meant anything in war.

 

The South can take the North themselves.

 

And I would greatly prefer the US not to pay to rebuild the North once reunification happens. We already paid to build Japan and South Korea, seeing nothing from that in physical gains. Let Korea fix Korea. After the war finishes, let the Koreans pay to rebuild their nation. Does two things: takes Korea off the world stage for at least 30 years, as their entire economy would be tailored domestically, and with Seoul the primary/only target in the war, Samsung-Jeong would certainly be leveled. Goodbye, Samsung! I still prefer the Norks attack at 3AM when there’s no one in the buildings.


Come on, Kimmy! Go completely insane over that parody movie and finish the war! You know you want to!

lets just talk about apple and samsung here.  especially because you are wrong on nearly every point.

 

Korea has paid back loans faster than most nations, especially the IMF bailout (3 years early). The U.S. chooses to offset the price of aiding the SK military by selling military hardware and having free untaxed bases here in Itaewon (Yongsan) and Busan (other places, too).  SK spends over $1 billion  every year on U.S. military goodies. http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2012/05/11/south-koreas-military-shopping-list-is-long/

 

NK receives tonnes of money from China, U.S. and SK. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/yonhap-news-agency/140325/s-korea-urges-north-repay-loans, http://www.cfr.org/china/china-north-korea-relationship/p11097, http://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R40095.pdf.  they also have cellphones, computers, cameras and televisions that are from the 2000's and up. They do have some old military tech, but China is not about to just send down everything they have as even China knows NK is volatile.

 

And as SK went from rags to riches in less than 50 years (3rd world nation to a 1st world donor nation), do not expect them to go anywhere anytime soon.  The world took a hit in the last recession, over here it was a minor blip lasting about a month. SK will rebuild NK when the unification happens, Japan will not help, China will not help. The U.S. might- but more than likely only in the form of contractors ripping off the American people like they did in Iraq.

 

And Itaewon is in Seoul.  If North Korea attacks- U.S. will go to war.  The U.S. will not let their troops be attacked and not respond.


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Originally Posted by revenant View Post

Korea has paid back loans faster than most nations

 

Not talking about loans…

 
And as SK went from rags to riches in less than 50 years

 

Picture German reunification plus two orders of magnitude.

 
The U.S. might- but more than likely only in the form of contractors ripping off the American people like they did in Iraq.

 

I see nothing to suggest anything other than full on WWI-style billions of dollars for free.

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Not talking about loans…

 

Picture German reunification plus two orders of magnitude.

 

I see nothing to suggest anything other than full on WWI-style billions of dollars for free.

free billions... the U.S. rarely does free, it makes up that money in trade (or other means).  the amount of money SK has spent on U.S. goods over the years has made up for those 'lost' billions.  nearly every time that the U.S. aids a country and sets up trade agreements they make up for it in the long run in their economy.  as mentioned, Korea spends over $1 billion U.S dollars on U.S. military equipment, and several more billions in trade-- amounting to hundreds of billions the U.S. would never have received without first "aiding", or investing as the case may be. (in 2013, American goods exports to Korea was $46 billion, agricultural goods $5.1 billion, and though the numbers are not in just yet, for private commercial services 2013 is supposed to be better than the 2012 number of $9.4 billion, not to mention the billions in foreign investments.  and though the trade deficit is in SK's favour [America loves to buy Korean cars and Detroit is not sending many], it has not always been the case and both countries are trying to work out a better free trade agreement) 

 

and how is Germany doing? paid off their debts and are bailing out countries left and right.  

post #76 of 98
So these were announced in February at the MWC in Barcelona with review copies being available.

So clearly Apple is ripping off Samsung by just buying a lineup to try and compete. That's why they were willing to pay so much.

And these aren't even Beats ripoffs either unless they sound shit for their price.

Also How long do you think it takes to make a product from design through manufacturing, packaging and distribution? If you really think that Samsung can pull that off in 2 months every competitor is in more trouble than you would think.
post #77 of 98

revenant you're missing the point, this is about emotional hysteria to Samsung, the Skeletor of consumer electronics.  Political and economic realities have no place here.

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ROTFLMAO!!! Scamsung photocopiers strike again by ripping off Beats design of the Studio and Solo series!

Only this time, they'll have Jimmie to deal with, and based on how he's now gone after Chinese knock-off makers, Scamsung will be in for a WORLD of pain!!!



Samsung released Level headphones at least a month before Apple bought Beats. so there is no way these headphones were made because of that deal.

Just one link:
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=36326

Date: May 1

 

Plus they are releasing headphones and earphones few years already - so this is nothing new for Samsung.

But all this is academic.
Level-Over look and feel much better and classier than any Beats headphones out there. 
As far the sound goes I think it would be really easy to surpass Beats sound quality simply because Beats don't have any ;)
 

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revenant you're missing the point, this is about emotional hysteria to Samsung, the Skeletor of consumer electronics.  Political and economic realities have no place here.

I understand the point completely.  some think that samsung has copied Beats headphones even though they do look different.  

 

I only address what Tallest Skil put in his post- which i started by saying let's stick to apple and samsung- meaning that Tallest Skil should not be addressing his views of North and South Korea.

 

Point your comment of political and economic realities to him. He suggested the pulling the military out of Korea and then the take over of NK by the South, or the bombing of Seoul by NK.

post #80 of 98

One must respect their tenacity to try to copy everything Apple does.

 

OTOH, such a product is not created in a space of weeks, so either Apple pre-empted Samsung's release by buying Beats or Samsung was already aware of Apple's intentions for a longer period or it is just a natural move for both of them.

 

Anyway, if it is that tenacity, it offers a good opportunity for Apple to trip them up. Maybe Apple can announce a line of intelligent trash cans? And then we see what Samsung announces? Or that 'wearable' :D that was announced on Scoopertino a while back?

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