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Originally Posted by williamh View Post
 

Damn, I won't be able to use that sandpaper iPhone case I was working on.  I won't be able to carry the phone in my pocket with sandpaper either.  Screw Apple, I am going Samsung.

 

Right, because they also use Gorilla Glass. Corning has some explaining to do.

 

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That means that Tom Dickson* is more reliable than Sonny Dickson.

Because iPhones always blend.

http://www.willitblend.com

 

*He is the founder of Blendtec, makers of enormously powerful blenders (1560 to 2400 watts.)

 

P.S.  One kilowatt is equivalent to 1.34 horsepower.  Do the math.

 

They only blend things they know will blend to show off their blender. Their YouTube channel ain't Mythbusters.

 

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I didn't watch the video but I need to know. If I was under bow and arrow attack, would I be able to use my iPhone 6 as a shield?

 

Not if the arrow is made of sandpaper.

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post #42 of 68
Plastic screen 'protectors'? Aren't they very much softer than Gorilla Glass? Why would anyone with a concern for scratched phone glass consider putting a piece of soft plastic over a tough glass to 'protect' it from scratches? I have never used a 'screen protector' on my iPhone and never will. They make it look junky and obscure the screen with scratches and haze.
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Plastic screen 'protectors'? Aren't they very much softer than Gorilla Glass? Why would anyone with a concern for scratched phone glass consider putting a piece of soft plastic over a tough glass to 'protect' it from scratches? I have never used a 'screen protector' on my iPhone and never will. They make it look junky and obscure the screen with scratches and haze.

I don't those screen protectors either. They only seem to make the screen look less bright and more hazy.

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post #44 of 68
Gimme a friggin' break. I'll simply wait till September. Didn't even bother to look at the video. Yawn.
post #45 of 68
I have had a saphire wAtch face scratched by rubbing it against a stone wall i was walking by. There could be material in the sandpaper that is sufficiently hard perhaps ...
post #46 of 68
Sapphire for watch, Corning glass for iPhones. You know that would be more realistic.
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post #47 of 68

This video changes everything.

 

I am nixing my plans to run garnet sandpaper across my phone screens.

post #48 of 68
Has everyone missed the point? Or is confused about how this screen as is would be pretty damn good.
It's more scratch resistant than gorilla glass 3, an actual sapphire screen would more likely shatter than
scratch, which is actually worse on a phone.
I don't carry diamonds or sandpaper with me so I think the screen will stand up to a lot.
post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by oberpongo View Post

So Maybe there will be two iphone 6 4.7. One iPhone Air with The usual Sapphire Glass and a iPhone Pro with Sapphire glass and some other nice features. 😳
Seriously doubt it.
As pointed out this sand paper may have had small amount of materials that where stronger. Last I heard as well sand paper and diamonds aren't things people carry around, and neither are they a good ideal for a case. For the point of this it shows whatever this material was it isn't really stronger then the sand paper but quite a bit stronger then the gg was.
post #50 of 68
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Funny but unless the sensor hole has been moved to the other side, he was scratching the top surface.

With a laminate, try the inside. :D

post #51 of 68

Why is anyone watching this video? This jerk posts a video saying it is sapphire and now says it isn't sapphire. Is this supposed to give him some credibility or make us feel sorry for him because he came clean. He was uninformed then and is still uninformed.

post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post

 

Also, I hate to do this, but this kind of mistake appears in articles on news sites far too often (yep, even over on CNN):

 

"In a video posted to YouTube late Friday, a part purported to be Apple's "iPhone 6" cover glass was again exposed to a torture test, this time failing to resist scratches from garnet sandpaper, a material softer than sapphire."

 

I've read that sentence five times and still have no idea what's wrong with it.

post #53 of 68

Who really does this to their phones at all???... regardless of what company manufactures them???... This is a good way to invalidate your warranty, so it's stupid to suggest this is  some "real world test"... We don't even know for certain that this is the same material Apple will use at all....:mad:

post #54 of 68
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I've read that sentence five times and still have no idea what's wrong with it.

 

 

The word in red had been left out.  It has now been fixed.

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #55 of 68
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The word in red had been left out.  It has now been fixed.

That's why you quote the original comment and then write your correction. I had no idea what was wrong either.

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post #56 of 68

My apologies. Seems it was fixed, so all is well.

 

Also updated my original post to make it clearer.


Edited by Bergermeister - 7/20/14 at 4:30pm

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #57 of 68
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Plastic screen 'protectors'? Aren't they very much softer than Gorilla Glass? Why would anyone with a concern for scratched phone glass consider putting a piece of soft plastic over a tough glass to 'protect' it from scratches? I have never used a 'screen protector' on my iPhone and never will. They make it look junky and obscure the screen with scratches and haze.

Because yes, screen protector can get damaged, but the point is that it's a whole lot easier and cheaper to replace a damaged screen protector than the phone's screen.

And I have to say that the video at the end is very upsetting. I was planning to buy a bunch of iPhone 6es and make a suit of armor with them to wear in my next jousting match. I thought it would be the perfect protection against Robin Hood's men and their crossbows. Oh well, I'll keep looking. ; - )
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And I have to say that the video at the end is very upsetting. I was planning to buy a bunch of iPhone 6es and make a suit of armor with them to wear in my next jousting match. I thought it would be the perfect protection against Robin Hood's men and their crossbows. Oh well, I'll keep looking. ; - )

 

LOL

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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post #59 of 68
I believe the iPhone 6 will have a glass and sapphire blend while the iPhone Air will have the full sapphire screen. And if you think about it, it's quite logical. The iPhone Air will be the premium iPhone and thus needs features to make it stand out from the iPhone 6. Bigger screen size isn't enough to make a lot of people pay the $100 or more premium. But you upgrade the quality of screen and pixel density while making the phone lighter and thinner then a lot more will be willing to pay the premium price. There's also a good chance the iPhone Air has better battery life than the iPhone 6. It's hard to imagine the lower end iPhone will have better battery than the premium one.

The main question is what is going to happen to the iPhone 4s, 5c and 5s when the iPhone 6 and Air come out. Apple could go multiple ways with this. If the iPhone 6 is in fact both glass and sapphire blend that means they could drop the 4s and keep 5c and 5s so people have metal, plastic, glass and sapphire to choose from. Or they could drop the 5s or 5c and go with 4 different screen sizes. I think the best way to go for Apple is dropping the 5c. A lot love the 3.5 inch screen on the 4s and a lot see the iPhone 5, 5c and 5s screen size as a mistake. But if history repeats, Apple will drop the 5s and 5c and go with a 5S made of plastic.
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Originally Posted by Matt Perkins View Post
I believe the iPhone 6 will have a glass and sapphire blend while the iPhone Air will have the full sapphire screen. And if you think about it, it's quite logical.


So the device that doesn’t exist and which is being given a ludicrous name will have all the good things we don’t know about.

 

Just clarifying.

 
The iPhone Air will be the premium iPhone and thus needs features to make it stand out from the iPhone 6.

 

There is nothing premium about a phone that is too large to be used.

 
It's hard to imagine the lower end iPhone will have better battery than the premium one.

 

It’s hard to imagine anything lower-end about it, seeing as it isn’t low end in any respect whatsoever. 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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post #61 of 68
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It's a common mistake... I do it all the time with rumored iPhone 6 parts... he scratched the wrong side.

People never hold them the right way....

post #62 of 68

"I believe the iPhone 6 will have a glass and sapphire blend while the iPhone Air will have the full sapphire screen."

 

​For various structureal reasons (plus I believe it's what they've patented) the screen would be a laminate: get the scratch benefits of Saphire but structure from the other layers. One of the reasons the GATV process is so great, really thin sheets...

post #63 of 68

You know, of the issues that cause problems on the iPhone, scratches are not a huge problem.

 

Apple should be more concerned about cracking - which means NOT using sapphire.

 

But more importantly, Apple needs to fix the water damage issue.  Apple put great effort into detecting water damage so they could void your warranty, but none into making the phone more water resistant.  I see far more water damaged iPhones than I've ever seen cracked ones.

post #64 of 68
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You know, of the issues that cause problems on the iPhone, scratches are not a huge problem.

Apple should be more concerned about cracking - which means NOT using sapphire.

But more importantly, Apple needs to fix the water damage issue.  Apple put great effort into detecting water damage so they could void your warranty, but none into making the phone more water resistant.  I see far more water damaged iPhones than I've ever seen cracked ones.

Or users should be more careful around water/liquids.
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Also, I hate to do this, but this kind of mistake appears in articles on news sites far too often (yep, even over on CNN):

"In a video posted to YouTube late Friday, a part purported to be Apple's "iPhone 6" cover glass was again exposed to a torture test, this time failing to resist scratches from garnet sandpaper, a material softer than sapphire."

I've read that sentence five times and still have no idea what's wrong with it.

The word in red wasn't spoken by Christ.
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post #66 of 68
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I believe the iPhone 6 will have a glass and sapphire blend...

So the iPhone does blend! Thanks for clearing that up.
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post #67 of 68
Why did no one point out the Mohs scale DOES NOT say a softer material can not scratch a harder material.

It certainly can, what the Mohs scale measures is resistance or reluctance of one material to scratch another.

Sand paper can scratch diamonds, the thing is it comes down to percentages basically. A 7 vs an 8, an 8 will scratch the 7 95% more than the 7 will scratch the 8, a 10 will scratch a 7 99.99% more than a 7 will scratch a 10.

Those are made up numbers because it really really depends on the materials used, and Mohs scale is actually outdated and quite wrong in a lot of cases. But that's the point, a harder material resists scratching from a softer material. That's all. It does not say a softer material can not scratch a harder material.

That said what really gets me is people expected this to be all sapphire, and that would be horrible. A single sheet of a hard material means it'll be more prone to shattering. The more hard a material, the more brittle.

So to get around this, and what is what you REALLY want is a multiple layer, treated, or different technique. The best screen you can hope for is a sapphire layer, on top of a more flexible layer. That means the sapphire will resist scratching, but being a thin layer allows it to flex with the under layer it's fused to, such as a flexible glass.

This isn't a bad thing, and people in comments are trying to say it is.

A diamond screen would be pretty much the worst screen ever, diamond shatters pretty easily, which is why everytime in a show they show them testing a diamond by hitting it with a hammer is cringe worthy, a real diamond would shatter. Though a diamond screen would be pretty scratch proof(Still can scratch it, just more resistant). That being said the best screen would be a diamond layer on a soft flexible layer.

This bugs me, because all these people arguing have no idea about material science. We use steel because it's a blend of soft, hard, and tensile strength making it a perfect material for building. People want us to use titanium instead, but titanium in most cases would be a worse option then steel due to being harder and more prone to failure.

Material science doesn't come down to best X, it comes down to best X, Y and Z balanced for expected loads, use, and expected failure points.
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Why did no one point out the Mohs scale DOES NOT say a softer material can not scratch a harder material.

It certainly can, what the Mohs scale measures is resistance or reluctance of one material to scratch another.

Sand paper can scratch diamonds, the thing is it comes down to percentages basically. A 7 vs an 8, an 8 will scratch the 7 95% more than the 7 will scratch the 8, a 10 will scratch a 7 99.99% more than a 7 will scratch a 10.

Those are made up numbers because it really really depends on the materials used, and Mohs scale is actually outdated and quite wrong in a lot of cases. But that's the point, a harder material resists scratching from a softer material. That's all. It does not say a softer material can not scratch a harder material.

That said what really gets me is people expected this to be all sapphire, and that would be horrible. A single sheet of a hard material means it'll be more prone to shattering. The more hard a material, the more brittle.

So to get around this, and what is what you REALLY want is a multiple layer, treated, or different technique. The best screen you can hope for is a sapphire layer, on top of a more flexible layer. That means the sapphire will resist scratching, but being a thin layer allows it to flex with the under layer it's fused to, such as a flexible glass.

This isn't a bad thing, and people in comments are trying to say it is.

A diamond screen would be pretty much the worst screen ever, diamond shatters pretty easily, which is why everytime in a show they show them testing a diamond by hitting it with a hammer is cringe worthy, a real diamond would shatter. Though a diamond screen would be pretty scratch proof(Still can scratch it, just more resistant). That being said the best screen would be a diamond layer on a soft flexible layer.

This bugs me, because all these people arguing have no idea about material science. We use steel because it's a blend of soft, hard, and tensile strength making it a perfect material for building. People want us to use titanium instead, but titanium in most cases would be a worse option then steel due to being harder and more prone to failure.

Material science doesn't come down to best X, it comes down to best X, Y and Z balanced for expected loads, use, and expected failure points.

 

Excellent post.

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