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post #121 of 139

It's like watching two Mafia families having it out.  If Samsung doesn't kill Android, the hackers will.  Good riddance to both of them!

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Does anybody seriously think Apple needs to build its own hardware to sell IOS? They would be even more successful if they licensed it and let others sell iphone clones with a variety of features, form factors, and prices. It is the sameness of product choices that is keeping Apple from owning the market. Their own manufacturing arm is denying Apple a complete takeover of the smartphone market.

Have you read history about Apple? Licensing Mac OS almost killed Apple.
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Have you read history about Apple? Licensing Mac OS almost killed Apple.

While I don't agree with @Larry9, there are major differences between Mac OS of back then, and iOS of now. If there were as many Mac OS users as there are iOS users it would've been a different story.
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post #124 of 139
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While I don't agree with @Larry9, there are major differences between Mac OS of back then, and iOS of now. If there were as many Mac OS users as there are iOS users it would've been a different story.

Saying there are differences now is not the same as making a case as to why it would be beneficial to Apple to license iOS.

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post #125 of 139
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Google is being a bully to Samsung? Try enforcer. Bullies pick on innocents. Samsung is guilty of being the worst company on earth. Have at 'em Google


Yes Google is being a bully, for purely selfish reasons of having all android devices on the same page.

But Samsung is obviously of being held back by Google and not being able to go ahead of other androids.

 

This doesn't surprise me, Samsung want to go at their pace, not being held back by Google.

 

Of course Google is upset because they lose spying capability, if Samsung does their own thing.

 

It's time these biggies went their own ways.

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Only Apple delivers UX; the others? SUX.

Supreme User eXperience?
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Open is the new closed.

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Samsung bought Knox by the way.
post #129 of 139
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Originally Posted by larry9 View Post
Does anybody seriously think Apple needs to build its own hardware to sell IOS? They would be even more successful if they licensed it and let others sell iphone clones with a variety of features, form factors, and prices. It is the sameness of product choices that is keeping Apple from owning the market. Their own manufacturing arm is denying Apple a complete takeover of the smartphone market.

How to screw Apple and iOS; Apple just creates iOS for any cheap phone out there.

So you don't realize the superior top level hardware quality of Apple's devices.

 

Well my regularly  used 3.5 yr old iPhone4, still on the original battery,  tells me much about Apple's level 10+ hardware quality.

post #130 of 139
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Only Apple delivers UX; the others? SUX.

Supreme User eXperience?

Such Utter Xcruciating experience when on anything other than Apple-designed software.
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post #131 of 139
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Saying there are differences now is not the same as making a case as to why it would be beneficial to Apple to license iOS.

But you can't assume it'll bankrupt them just because that what happened in the past.
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post #132 of 139
"Google is upset that Android is being used as an open platform"
Why is Google upset about this? Android is an open platform. And that's what the marketing of Android has been exploiting for how many years. Amazon is doing the same thing with its products, so Google should be upset with Amazon as well. Sorry Larry but you guys at Google created this mess. Blame your selves!
Android has been manipulated and tweaked so many different ways and since it is a free and OPEN operating system that's what manufacturers are doing.
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Tightly controlled Android operating system? Since when? Google doesn't know the meaning of tightly controlled. If it was they would probably be doing better. But since only 4% of Android products are even up to date with the latest Android operating system. I don't see any controls on any manufacturer with Android.
Samsung will fail, they only know how to copy others not R&D there own products. There in to much of a rush to be the first out there with stuff that's only a quarter done compared to the likes of Apple. I see know control with Google and Android. It's all over the place and that's why even though they have lots of sales, most people eventually move to Apple's IOS for a better experience and definitely better support all around with up to date software on all products.
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But you can't assume it'll bankrupt them just because that what happened in the past.

No, but I haven't seen an argument that would show how it's good for Apple.

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post #135 of 139
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But since only 4% of Android products are even up to date with the latest Android operating system

You're off by a few as it's actually about 18% but still a valid point. Google does not have 100% control of the OS and all hardware running it, unlike Apple. In fact if Apple were to license iOS they'd likely suffer similar "fragmentation" . Apple is smart not to do so IMO.

https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
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post #136 of 139
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No, but I haven't seen an argument that would show how it's good for Apple.

Exactly. Unless Apple is going to charge $300 per license, it makes no sense.
post #137 of 139
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You're off by a few as it's actually about 18% but still a valid point. Google does not have 100% control of the OS and all hardware running it, unlike Apple. In fact if Apple were to license iOS they'd likely suffer similar "fragmentation" . Apple is smart not to do so IMO.

https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

Caveat.

 

Data is from the Google Play Store app and this is a subset of devices eligible for the upgrade.

I wouldn't describe this 18% rate of adoption as definitive at this point in time, i.e. your mileage may vary.

 

from the link:

 

Note: Because this data is gathered from the new Google Play Store app, which supports Android 2.2 and above, devices running older versions are not included. However, in August, 2013, versions older than Android 2.2 accounted for about 1% of devices that checked in to Google servers (not those that actually visited Google Play Store).

post #138 of 139

But - I thought Android was supposed to be 'open' to customization? Lol

post #139 of 139

I'm not so sure - a lot of people use Samsung for either: the big screen, the popularity, or the cheap price (all depending on the model they've purchased). If you transplanted Tizen into the phone, I'd bet 50% wouldn't care/know/get a new phone.

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