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Can he perform other government facing role in Apple ?

They can choose someone else for the PR Chief.

I wouldn't hire somebody like that to clean the toilets. Frankly anybody associated with the current administration should be tried for sedition and dealt with as a criminal.
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Apple getting a little political and supporting, say, gay rights is not "cool" from a corporate point of view and will alienate some of their customers, but I'm personally OK with it. However, hiring an incredibly dishonest propagandist is enough to make me switch back to M$FT. 

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Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field was a great thing.

 

Jay Carney's Repeatedly Deceitfully Lying is only bad.

 

If Carney Is Hired, I Am Still Going To Buy Apple Products. But If Carney Speaks Publicly In Any Apple Functions Anywhere; IMMEDIATELY SHUT OFF/MUTED/LEAVE IN PROTEST. Since Apple Has A Reputation For Being Best, Why Ruin It By Hiring Among The Worst Public-Face Scumbags!

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Are you serious here?
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Can you expound on that statement?
I can't speak for him but if you are the public face of a corrupt administration then you should be held accountable along with the rest of the gang.
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Even if you are for a different political party than the one Carney was working for, how does that affect his role at Apple?
If you can't demonstrate ethical behavior in one occupation there is zero chance that you will suddenly develop a sense of ethics for the next job. It really has nothing to do with the political parties in Washington.
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It it is a liberal/conservative issue keep in mind that Apple is one of the most liberal large corporation there is.
You can be liberal and also ethical. Beyond that what we have seen recently in Washington is far from any definition of liberal that I know of. That is unless your definition is of liberalism is the loss of all of your civil liberties.
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I'm honestly curious about why there is the Carney hate. Thanks in advance.

I have no idea why you call this hate. It has nothing to do with hate but rather it is bad business and frankly bad personal behavior to reward the unethical and those that support an administration so hostile to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Hate is often irrational so it can't really be applied here.
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It really doesn't matter if he did a good job or not. The problem is being associated with the adminstration. By the way not because there are Democrates in the Whitehouse but rather because this bunch have such a total disregard for the Constitution and ethical behavior.
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Being a Press Secretary in such contentious times is a tough gig, and Carney I suspect did no worst then others would have. He essentially is asked to provide to the press information that the White House wants him to provide even when he himself is without all the information. Nonetheless, I highly doubt Apple would select such a high profile controversial public official with baggage to fill such a public position for it. 

Moreover, what makes the story bogus to me is what would there for Carney to consider if he in fact was offered the job? From his perspective, there wouldn't be a better gig to cash in on his former successes. 

Hitler had people working the press for him, should those people be rewarded for their short term successful?
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Common sense says you don't reward bad behavior even if somebody was in a supporting role.
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Agreed, he would be a good PR person for Apple. He certainly is qualified. Nonetheless, to appease the brainwashed politics is a sporting event crowd who far outnumbers the common sense crowd it probably is best Apple not put a controversial figure in such a position. 
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Ah, the far right wing crawling out of the woodworks again.... Sigh....

You guys are relentless.

Not in the least! Apple can do a lot better. You try to paint this as a right wing response when it really has nothing to do with politics. We have an adminstration that is functionally criminal. Carney shares some responsibility for that and as such needs to suffer.
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I wouldn't hire somebody like that to clean the toilets. Frankly anybody associated with the current administration should be tried for sedition and dealt with as a criminal.

 

EC Commission, FCC and the Chinese government generally downplay or fail/refuse to recognize Apple's contribution and commitment in industrywide goals. EC Commission ignored "Ask to Buy" destined for iOS8. FCC slammed Apple *after* it has already sorted out the in-app purchase issues on its own. And the Chinese state media on various occasions accused Apple of non-existing issues.

 

Someone like Carney would understand how these people work better. It may not be a bad idea to strengthen the Government Relations team so to speak. Apple need to make those government bodies understand and recognize their work in green technologies, privacy, and better work environment worldwide too.

 

That's a full time job. As for Public Relations, they are open to find someone else.

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Not in the least! Apple can do a lot better. You try to paint this as a right wing response when it really has nothing to do with politics. We have an adminstration that is functionally criminal. Carney shares some responsibility for that and as such needs to suffer.
Exactly. No one can say with a straight face that this is the best person Apple could hire to replace Katie Cotton. Why does Apple need to hire someone from government? Does that mean Apple should set up a PAC and start donating to political candidates? Or use Carney's connections to curry favor with Washington? I'd rather Apple not become a typical big corporation in that respect.
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EC Commission, FCC and the Chinese government generally downplay or fail/refuse to recognize Apple's contribution and commitment in industrywide goals. EC Commission ignored "Ask to Buy" destined for iOS8. FCC slammed Apple *after* it has already sorted out the in-app purchase issues on its own. And the Chinese state media on various occasions accused Apple of non-existing issues.

Someone like Carney would understand how these people work better. It may not be a bad idea to strengthen the Government Relations team so to speak. Apple need to make those government bodies understand and recognize their work in green technologies, and better work environment worldwide too.
Amber Cottle was hired as Apple's chief lobbyist earlier this year. http://tinyurl.com/obdmp29

IMO government relations and communications/PR departments should be separate.
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Apple already hired someone like that earlier this year. I can't remember his name but he worked for a congressman. IMO government relations and communications/PR departments should be separate.


She may need help to tackle this on a worldwide scale. 

 

Most large companies have a separate government and policy team (different from PR). After the stupid NSA fiasco, these teams have been busy trying to explain to foreign government that they don't work with NSA. That's another item on the dude's job description.

A lobbyist don't generally have experiences dealing with these global issues.

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Not in the least! Apple can do a lot better. You try to paint this as a right wing response when it really has nothing to do with politics. We have an adminstration that is functionally criminal. Carney shares some responsibility for that and as such needs to suffer.

When Americans realise that all politicians are criminal, regardless of party we will begin to solve the problem. Now do we all think that Apple does not know what it is doing here?
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She may need help to tackle this on a worldwide scale. 

Most large companies have a separate government and policy team (different from PR). After the stupid NSA fiasco, these teams have been busy trying to explain to foreign government that they don't work with NSA. 

As I said in my other post I think Apple's communications team should be separate from government relations. IMO those are completely different functions.
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As I said in my other post I think Apple's communications team should be separate from government relations. IMO those are completely different functions.

 

They are separate but related. The Bloomberg and Re/code rumors may have gotten the roles mixed up. 

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They are separate but related. The rumors may have gotten the roles mixed up. 
I guess I wasn't aware Apple was looking for someone to lead a government relations department. Anyway I'll be curious to see if Dalrymple responds to this Bloomberg story on his site.
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I guess I wasn't aware Apple was looking for someone to lead a government relations department.

 

And why would you ? Tim Cook doesn't report to you or anyone on this forum after all.

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And why would you ? Tim Cook doesn't report to you or anyone on this forum after all.
Of course not. But you said "the rumors may have gotten the roles mixed up". That would imply there is some government relations role Apple is looking to fill. I'm wondering how you know that.
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Of course not. But you said "the rumors may have gotten the roles mixed up". That would imply there is some government relations role Apple is looking to fill. I'm wondering how you know that.

 

Because of all the articles about repeated Government failure*s* to recognize Apple's contribution and position ? They clearly need help understanding Apple better. Apple should be proactive about it.

It's not just Apple. That NSA fiasco hurt all American companies big time. I personally know of many overseas deals in assorted US companies getting stuck or rejected because of it.

 

The press, whether it's Bloomberg or Re/code, generally don't understand Apple fully. I wouldn't take their reasoning and interpretation wholesale.

 

The Loop's reply doesn't offer any interpretation. It's just a flat-out denial of the PR job match up. Carney may not be the Katie Cotton replacement.


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If Tim Cook hires him then he loses me as a customer.
 

 

No you won't. That's a lie, and you know it.

 

It's so easy to act indignant, and say thing you don't mean and you don't plan on following-through on online-  but with you, it gets a little old. I'd actually be for Carney if it meant you would actually leave, sparing us from your incessant whining and bitching, because of the fact that you believe your opinions to be so important that you need to repeat the same thing ad-nauseum in every thread. Also, if your reasons for buying Apple products are contingent on who is employed as their PR chief, and are willing to jump shit to some other random company (I'm sure who haven't though that one ahead, so I won't ask), then maybe you should reassess why you're even buying Apple products in the first place?

 

I may have opinions on Apple's internal operations and their hiring decisions, but that's not the reason I buy their products- those reasons are based on the product themselves, the software, ecosystem, support, design, apps, etc. That all that means nothing to you, and you're willing to jump ship over a non-essential hire (we're not even talking about a VP here, or someone who has anything to do with product development), then you probably shouldn't be spending $$ on Apple products in the first place, and you have some truly mind-numbing decision making skills. Try to use rationality instead of pure ideology, once in a while. Your need for drama is so transparent. 


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Because of all the articles about repeated Government failure*s* to recognize Apple's contribution and position ? They clearly need help understanding Apple better. Apple should be proactive about it.


It's not just Apple. That NSA fiasco hurt all American companies big time. I personally know of many overseas deals in assorted US companies getting stuck or rejected because of it.

The press, whether it's Bloomberg or Re/code, generally don't understand Apple fully. I wouldn't take their reasoning and interpretation wholesale.

The Loop's reply doesn't offer any interpretation. It's just a flat-out denial of the PR job match up.
Ok so you don't know of a specific role Apple is trying to fill, you just think they need someone to better represent them to various governments. Got it. The rumor Dalrymple said "nope" to specifically said Carney's name was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief. I'm not sure what Dalrymple would need to interpret. He said Tim Cook has never met Jay Carney. Not sure how he would know that other than someone from Apple telling him.
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Oh man, I just wanted you to see how stupid your remark was. You are not going to leave Apple nor this Web site if the guy is hired. You did not leave with the Beats purchase, which you very vocal about, you will not leave with this hire.

Please prove me wrong if the guy is hired. Please.

 

Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.

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Ok so you don't know of a specific role Apple is trying to fill, you just think they need someone to better represent them to various governments. Got it. The rumor Dalrymple said "nope" to specifically said Carney's name was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief. I'm not sure what Dalrymple would need to interpret. He said Tim Cook has never met Jay Carney. Not sure how he would know that other than someone from Apple telling him.

 

Dalrymple is of course well connected to high level Apple folks to be so accurate over the years.

He basically said 'nope' to the rumor that Carney 'was being "bandied about" as Apple's new PR chief'. Hence, not the Katie Cotton replacement.

 

But if Bloomberg and Re/code insist that Carney did speak with Apple, then it's not unreasonable to infer that he's talking about other roles. Based on his expertise and the current challenges we know Apple face, the government team would be a natural fit. Or they may not see eye-to-eye on certain issues, and the match-up falls through.

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Carney probably doesn't even want the PR job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."

 

He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."

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Carney probably doesn't even want the job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."

 

He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."

 

[chuckle]

 

Possible ! May be he will scout for a writer to help write a book first.

 

The PR Chief job with Apple sounds very hands on and intense. 

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You mean apple can't find anything better??
My issue
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back
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You mean apple can't find anything better??
My issue
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back

 

Apple already have the belief, people and platform to fight those things.

All they need now is to work with the various governments to understand their platform(s).

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Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.

Yes, a threat from Rogifan has much veiled gravitas. His comment must be taken seriously, no matter how childish it may seem on the surface.

As we know, he is on the right side of history. Apple, with its concern for environmental responsibility, its concern for its users' privacy, all these are trivial liberal distractions that a mature American corporation will grow out of eventually, thus proving him right in the end.

/s
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Ah, the far right wing crawling out of the woodworks again.... Sigh....

You guys are relentless.

 

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That's not the point. A PR chief is supposed to help Apple win over customers, not drive them away. If there is someone else out there that will do the job without all the political controversy, I bet Apple will go after that person instead.

Some nobody friend of Carney talking to the news as if all Carney has to do to get the job is ask for it sounds more like Carney trying to stir up interest or save face than reality to me.

a PR chief for a corporation is NOT supposed to help Apple win over customers.   that's MARKETING.  If anything, the PR chief is supposed to make sure they don't LOSE customers based on how corporate actions are perceived.

 

a PR chief's main (not supposed) job is to maximize the positive spin on the corporation's message to the press and stockholders.

 

Before she resigned, did you even know who Katie Cotton was and what she did for Apple.  Other than 'Fake Steve Jobs,' where whatsitname mentioned Katie in a manner that Apple's retribution to leaks and/or negative reporting fell under her team of black bag operatives to 'fix' press problems ('he swims with the fishes....' sort of activity),   The 'face of Apple PR' is pretty much vacant.   The choice (or not) of Carney is based on his ability to read how messages can play before they are played.   But in the end, he is the messenger, not a politician.

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You mean apple can't find anything better??
My issue
We have NSA looking over our shoulder govt spying on its citizens
Why have another path for political elitist a to manipulate our data
I don't like google for its search which most use so close to govt leaders
We were warned about the
Military industrial complex
We now have the tech snoops
Keep him and his likes AWAY from our data
It's too enticing for govt to use to control and intimidate its people
It could and will happen if we don't fight back

And Carney isn't working for them anymore.  To me that says he's looking to get away from trying to find a sweet smelling message to describe the manure of 'how government works.'

 

You've lumped a lot of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush the 1st, 50's Defense Appropriations, into a role that neither the clearance or the pay grade to even gain access to 'our data.  Yet you haven't pointed out one thing that Carney has done or the power to do.   Bravo.   Great straw man argument.

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Threatening to quit is usually more a statement of protest, or a veiled demand for change, than a declaration of future action.

The statement of protest is pointless. We have no idea what Apple is executing to strengthen its resources for the future. Instead of fighting EVERYTHING Apple does, how about trying to decipher what and why Apple is doing what it is doing.

Already, Samsung has produced "me too" headphones to compete with Apple Beats headphones. All Samsung knows is Apple is now in the headphones business and Samsung has to be there too. We all know headphones is not the endgame for Apple.

The PR hire has something Apple wants. What other skills does the guy have? What did he study in college? Remember, there is a musician working at Apple studying the sound of blood flow in an attempt to predict heart attacks. The musician probably never thought of using his skills for this. None of us would have considered this either.

This is why I challenged Rogifan to adhere to his threat.
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If Tim Cook hires him then he loses me as a customer.

 

Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?

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Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?

Because I won't give money to a company that would hire a liar and political hack like Carney. If Target hired him I'd stop shopping there. I'm not a fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos (for various reasons) so I don't shop on Amazon.com, don't have a prime membership and don't use any of their apps.

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What's so surprising or upsetting about this (rhetorical, btw)?  Have we all already forgotten that every major tech company is already in bed with the US government, including Apple?  It seems like every couple of weeks everyone here forgets that Apple is a part of the PRISM project as well.  Funny how no one forgets that the other major tech companies are a part of it though.  They all record your activities and they all share them with the NSA.  This is not speculation anymore, this is fact and has been known for quite awhile now.  If you're uncomfortable with this then you shouldn't own a smartphone or tablet.  It would make sense that Apple (or any tech company for that matter) would start to hire guys in Washington as they already work very closely together.

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Carney probably doesn't even want the PR job. It probably pays pretty well but not exactly prestigious. I'm not sure why he resigned as press secretary, but perhaps he is tired of standing up in front of a mob of reporters. I'd guess it gets really boring having nothing more to say than, "No", "I don't know" and "Next question."

He is a born and raised east coaster and has worked in Washington for years. There are probably any number of positions for him in the DC area. Honestly, being the PR face of Apple sounds like a horrible job. It is not like you ever get to make any cool announcements. It is non-stop "No comment."

That's true, for Apple the title is totally wrong isn't it? In Apple's case, the 'PR' position is really more like Chief Cleaner or Sanitizer... terms I picked up watching Spy TV shows ... 1smile.gif
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Why would a PR appointment have any impact on your technology choices?

 

Well, let's see. He helped cover up Benghazi, lied about it, got caught and resigned over it. So it appears that he sucks at his job and he's potentially a criminal.

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Well, let's see. He helped cover up Benghazi, lied about it, got caught and resigned over it. So it appears that he sucks at his job and he's potentially a criminal.

 

And what does that have to do with buying an iPhone or MacBook Pro? Honestly, you'll never really see his work at Apple anyways. How many times did you hear about Katie Cotton before news of her retirement?

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Because I won't give money to a company that would hire a liar and political hack like Carney. If Target hired him I'd stop shopping there. I'm not a fan of Amazon or Jeff Bezos (for various reasons) so I don't shop on Amazon.com, don't have a prime membership and don't use any of their apps.

 

So in other words, you don't really shop anywhere because it sounds like you have a complaint about everyone in the world? But...I have a feeling you're stretching the truth a little there. 

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Oh, shut up.

Why is that unreasonable if someone is casing they will stop buying the products of a company. If I stopped buying Ans subsequently stopped using Apple's products as a result I would also stop reading and posting to this site.

Why not say that to the person clearly posting a ridiculous statement?

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BAD IDEA, to have a Political figure like Carney.
He has baggage associated with him.
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Oh, shut up.

You shut the f$&k up. The man made a statement and I am asking him to stick with it.

Defending him by attacking me is stupid.

A lot of people are stating they will leave Apple if Apple does...

Well, Apple is doing and they are still with Apple spewing more they will leave Apple if Apple does...

It is time to leave Apple or stop saying they will leave Apple!
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