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The first public beta of Apple's forthcoming OS X 10.10 software update, known as Yosemite, will become available to download on Thursday, July 24 for testing ahead of its scheduled release this fall.




Users can sign up for the OS X Beta Program at its official website, and will be able to install, test and provide feedback once it launches on Thursday. The Yosemite public beta launch was first announced on Wednesday by Jim Dalrymple of The Loop.

Users can sign up with their Apple ID, and will use a redemption code to download and install the OS X Yosemite Beta from the Mac App Store. When users encounter an issue that may need to be addressed, they can report it directly to Apple with the built-in Feedback Assistant application.

The upgrade requires a Mac running OS X Mavericks, which is available for free on the Mac App Store. Apple also recommends installing the OS X Yosemite Beta on a secondary Mac, since the software is still in pre-release testing and may contain issues.

Apple also warns that some new features may not be available, including phone calls, SMS, Handoff, Instant Hotspot, and iCloud drive. Spotlight suggestions are currently U.S.-only, and some applications and services may not yet be compatible with Yosemite.



Apple first announced its public Beta Seed Program in April, opening its OS X beta testing process to all Mac users willing to participate. This year, users were able to test pre-release maintenance and security updates to OS X 10.9 Mavericks, but tomorrow will mark the first time that OS X 10.10 Yosemite will be available to test officially to non-developers.

To date, four pre-release betas of OS X Yosemite have been supplied to developers, with the most recent version arriving this Monday. OS X Yosemite Preview 4 includes a redesigned Calculator, and an update to the upcoming Dark Mode.

Apple has focused on what it calls "continuity" between OS X and iOS with its next major updates, as users will be able to seamlessly hand off content from their iPhone or their iPad to their Mac when within range. In addition, users will be able to answer and place calls or respond to text messages through Bluetooth connectivity to an iPhone.

For more on OS X Yosemite, see AppleInsider's series of first look videos on the upcoming Mac operating system update.
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I signed up the day of the Keynote. I wonder if the emails will go out before or on the 24th.
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Since iOS8 isn't going the public beta route the continuity and handoff features in Yosemite won't be available to the public, so I'm less excited about the prospect of the beta.  I have to do enough testing in my day job.  I look forward to hearing other people's impressions though :)

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Dev v4 Seems very stable and I have not hit any issues with Yosemite Server beta 4 either. Beta CrushFTP and beta Java all working well too. The fact Apple is readying the public beta bodes well. Hopefully this may all be released earlier than the rumored October release.
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installed the first Developer Preview and those since on a separate partition. I can play with it and look at the new features, test apps under dev and other 3rd party apps but I don't have to worry about what is missing or not working. I would suggest the same for others unless you do have an idle or spar Mac. It is Beta i.e. not ready for prime time.

 

Good luck and enjoy (and don't complain when it crashes or your mail won't work - BTW Disk Utility app "Repair Permissions" is your friend).

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The upgrade requires a Mac running OS X Mavericks, which is available for free on the Mac App Store. 

 

 

That's fantastic news, though I couldn't find it.  Anyone know what model of Mac they are offering for free?

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Apple also warns that some new features may not be available, including phone calls, SMS, Handoff, Instant Hotspot, and iCloud drive. Spotlight suggestions are currently U.S.-only, and some applications and services may not yet be compatible with Yosemite.

Curious- so what do you get then- new font, opaque borders, and spotlight? The moderate risk for minuscule benefit is not worth it for me, personally. Can't wait for the full release though!

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That's fantastic news, though I couldn't find it.  Anyone know what model of Mac they are offering for free?

It's the App store, no tangible products sold or given away there.  Thus, even if the sentences grammatically (I'm not sure ) indicates that the whole computer rather that simply the software is free it should be quite clear from the context.

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installed the first Developer Preview and those since on a separate partition. I can play with it and look at the new features, test apps under dev and other 3rd party apps but I don't have to worry about what is missing or not working. I would suggest the same for others unless you do have an idle or spar Mac. It is Beta i.e. not ready for prime time.


Good luck and enjoy (and don't complain when it crashes or your mail won't work - BTW Disk Utility app "Repair Permissions" is your friend).

True, In my case I use a dedicated late 2013 Mac mini, I did also boot to an an external on my nMac Pro and it was nice but as you say, we have real work to do on our main machines. That said the Mac mini seems pretty solid since v4, as I said up the thread, Server v 4 seems good too,
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That's fantastic news, though I couldn't find it.  Anyone know what model of Mac they are offering for free?

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That's fantastic news, though I couldn't find it.  Anyone know what model of Mac they are offering for free?
Any model, I believe. You need a fast hook-up to download it, however. Specially the MacPro.
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hello Developers out there,

 

Is Yosemite compatible with Ruby and Ruby on Rails? I don't want to mess up my development environment.

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That's fantastic news, though I couldn't find it.  Anyone know what model of Mac they are offering for free?

 

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Will they actually listen to general feedback from these users, or just process bug reports?

 

I personally think the GUI isn't that great. Not quite Windows 8.1 bad, but heading in that direction. The Mac is supposed to be, above all, the computer that's easy to use. Their thinking seems to be "minimialist->simpler->easier to use." But really it should be "more intuitive->easier to use," and the most intuitive GUI is not always the most minimalist one.

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I see very little value in testing out this beta, what's the benefit?   Sure Mavericks looks a bit dated, but its stable, frankly the only features that are compelling like iCloud and phone features are turned off.  I think I'll wait until official release, its a computer, not a pair of jeans, does not need to be in style.

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In my opinion it's no where near ready yet, even for public "beta"
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Well... That's it.. I am upgrading to new rMBP by Yosemite release. My 2011 MBP served me well for almost three years and went through RAM upgrade and HDD to SSD replacement. I have to do this upgrade if I want to use Handoff and enjoy the full force of Yosemite.
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installed the first Developer Preview and those since on a separate partition. I can play with it and look at the new features, test apps under dev and other 3rd party apps but I don't have to worry about what is missing or not working. I would suggest the same for others unless you do have an idle or spar Mac. It is Beta i.e. not ready for prime time.

 

Good luck and enjoy (and don't complain when it crashes or your mail won't work - BTW Disk Utility app "Repair Permissions" is your friend).


I suggest the same at least until later into the DPs. 

 

Personally, I have too many tools and things set up to migrate my entire dev environment to a new OS X install to work on betas, so I always wait until a few have passed until I can run it relatively worry free on my primary install. That and the greatest changes in API are often in the earliest DPs.

 

That being said, DP4 is the first that I've felt comfortable on my primary machine with and no problems as of yet.

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Interesting. Hope the devs and Smart People that are working on this for Apple can fix all the strange behavior in Apple Mail on Mavericks. I'll wait for the finished product like the good little consumer I am. But remember: "this fall" by definition means NLT 12/21/14; about 5 months from now.

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Will they actually listen to general feedback from these users, or just process bug reports?

 

I personally think the GUI isn't that great. Not quite Windows 8.1 bad, but heading in that direction. The Mac is supposed to be, above all, the computer that's easy to use. Their thinking seems to be "minimialist->simpler->easier to use." But really it should be "more intuitive->easier to use," and the most intuitive GUI is not always the most minimalist one.

AMEN TO THAT!  Intuitive to the end user far and away trumps "cute to look at."  IOS-7 and Mavericks have both gone down the wrong rabbit trail.

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Will they actually listen to general feedback from these users, or just process bug reports?

 

I personally think the GUI isn't that great. Not quite Windows 8.1 bad, but heading in that direction. The Mac is supposed to be, above all, the computer that's easy to use. Their thinking seems to be "minimialist->simpler->easier to use." But really it should be "more intuitive->easier to use," and the most intuitive GUI is not always the most minimalist one.

I couldn't agree more, especially when it comes to the calendar app, which, for me at least, is almost useless now, with it's pastel colours, grid lines which are mostly 90% transparent, etc. etc. .... if you put a lot of info on your monthly page view....it all runs together so as to make it all difficult to view with a glance. Nothing stands out. They should offer a "classic" view as an option, at least.

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True, In my case I use a dedicated late 2013 Mac mini, I did also boot to an an external on my nMac Pro and it was nice but as you say, we have real work to do on our main machines. That said the Mac mini seems pretty solid since v4, as I said up the thread, Server v 4 seems good too,


It's been great for me since DP3. DP1 and 2 were a bit of a mess, although the stability has been really good for a major release (unlike 10.8 which gave me constant kernel panics during the first couple of betas). The only real compatibility issue I've run in to is with iWork '09 (which is a real shame, since Pages is still missing some of the page layout features I rely on). Even Parallels (which is notorious for requiring driver updates during major point-zero releases) worked perfectly from the start.

 

I have been reluctant to install the iOS 8 beta on my primary devices so I can't speak for continuity (the feature set I think we are all most excited about), but otherwise I'm liking 10.10, including the GUI elements (although it will be better when devs get their icons, particularly menu bar icons, updated to better support dark mode).

 

In my opinion, sometimes a fresh coat of paint does wonders to give your machine an updated feel.

 

(Oh yeah, and it's nice to be able to post more openly about betas without the fear of NDA violations)

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I couldn't agree more, especially when it comes to the calendar app, which, for me at least, is almost useless now, with it's pastel colours, grid lines which are mostly 90% transparent, etc. etc. .... if you put a lot of info on your monthly page view....it all runs together so as to make it all difficult to view with a glance. Nothing stands out. They should offer a "classic" view as an option, at least.


Doesn't bother me too much, but then I use BusyCal and Fantastical and haven't done a whole lot with the built-in Calendar app in quite some time.

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Well... That's it.. I am upgrading to new rMBP by Yosemite release. My 2011 MBP served me well for almost three years and went through RAM upgrade and HDD to SSD replacement. I have to do this upgrade if I want to use Handoff and enjoy the full force of Yosemite.


If Handoff is the only feature I'll be missing out on with my early-2011 MBP (my mid-2011 Mac Mini appears to support it), that alone wouldn't have me upgrading. Once I dropped a data doubler in and gave my MBP a SSD boot disk (which has progressed from 120gb to 256gb and now to 750gb alongside its 768gb HDD), my machine runs so fast I can't fathom needing a new machine anytime soon (especially since I sprung for the upgraded HD display).

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Handoff works fine in DP4. 

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Handoff works fine in DP4. 


On what hardware? I think Nasser was referring to a mention that Handoff requires Bluetooth 4.0/LE which is not available in certain Macs more than two years old (and the list of hardware is somewhat random and arbitrary since late-2011 MacBook Pro models do not have the capability yet my mid-2011 Mac Mini does).

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On what hardware? I think Nasser was referring to a mention that Handoff requires Bluetooth 4.0/LE which is not available in certain Macs more than two years old (and the list of hardware is somewhat random and arbitrary since late-2011 MacBook Pro models do not have the capability yet my mid-2011 Mac Mini does).

 

My 2012 MBA. 

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My 2012 MBA. 


Yeah, that one qualifies according to this article.

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Is it safe to assume that since it's a public beta and not a developer preview release, that issues like wiping iCloud won't happen going forward?  Will settings sync with iOS 7 devices?  Is there a list of incompatible software?  I have the DP on a test machine and really need to switch to it on my production machine and iOS devices, but the warnings of possible future issues hold me back.

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Is it safe to assume that since it's a public beta and not a developer preview release, that issues like wiping iCloud won't happen going forward?

 

No, it’s a beta.

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Is it safe to assume that since it's a public beta and not a developer preview release, that issues like wiping iCloud won't happen going forward?  Will settings sync with iOS 7 devices?  Is there a list of incompatible software?  I have the DP on a test machine and really need to switch to it on my production machine and iOS devices, but the warnings of possible future issues hold me back.

 

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No, it’s a beta.

 

Well hold on now - we have not heard anything about Apple as to how they're going to be handling this "transition". 

 

What about people with iOS 7 iCloud-based documents? Can they just not see them when the Beta comes out if they were made on an up to date iOS device? I highly doubt Apple would allow something as disruptive as that to happen, or even allowing general users from knowing multiple editions of iCloud exist, even in Beta. Plus, this requires them to distribute incomplete versions of Keynote, Pages, and Numbers that make documents incompatible with iOS 7 iCloud. I'd say likely you'll have access to an older edition of iCloud and those documents, and they will prevent access to iCloud for iOS8 and Yosemite (while lacking the ability to take advantage of things like the Doc browser and iCloud Drive) so general Beta users don't get too confused by this concept, lose data, etc. 

 

However, at the very least, we can assume that iCloud (iOS 8/DP based) will be cleared once more before iOS 8 is released.

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What about people with iOS 7 iCloud-based documents?

 

I know that I can see my iOS 5 iCloud documents in Yosemite and on iCloud.com.

 

Can they just not see them when the Beta comes out if they were made on an up to date iOS device?

 

Some syncing features, however, don’t sync between DP versions.

 

I highly doubt Apple would allow something as disruptive as that to happen, or even allowing general users from knowing multiple editions of iCloud exist, even in Beta.

 

It’s a beta. There’s nothing disruptive about it. You know what you’re getting into when you install it, and if you don’t, that’s your fault and your problem.

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I know that I can see my iOS 5 iCloud documents in Yosemite and on iCloud.com.

 

Some syncing features, however, don’t sync between DP versions.

 

It’s a beta. There’s nothing disruptive about it. You know what you’re getting into when you install it, and if you don’t, that’s your fault and your problem.

 

To access Documents created pre-iOS8 they must be copied into an iOS 8 cloud repo. In order to access iOS 8 documents via iOS 7 and lower, they must be copied into the pre-iOS 8 iCloud repo. This has worked the same for every iOS/OS X beta with iCloud. 

 

And when you have 1 million general/slightly tech savy users that are going to be downloading this beta, you're not going to want a million requests about how users cannot access their iCloud documents, lost iCloud documents, etc etc. This is a beta, but it is not "beta" like Siri was, which is I'm sure what a lot of people will think. 

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Apple to buy Yosemite National Park as part of the campaign for the new version of OS X–building a world class hotel for visitors.

 

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Apple to buy Yosemite National Park as part of the campaign for the new version of OS X–building a world class hotel for visitors.

 

 

I would actually approve of such a move. A company like Apple would be a great steward of the park.

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I'm in the same boat with my 2011 MBP. Do you think Apple would tie Handoff support to the machine or just Bluetooth 4.0 LE support? If it's the latter, I'll probably just pick up a cheap USB adapter such as this one (link). It's a dirty solution, but less than one percent of the cost of a new high-spec MBP.

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Six months from SJ's birthdate. He's giving those guys deadlines.

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I would actually approve of such a move. A company like Apple would be a great steward of the park.

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No, it’s a beta.

 

previously it was a developer preview, which is a pre-beta release.  It's one thing to wipe the iCloud during developer preview, it's another to wipe it during a public beta.  I'm not even too concerned if it doesn't sync to iOS 7, I do care if the data gets wiped.

 

I would also like to see a list of known incompatible software.

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If Handoff is the only feature I'll be missing out on with my early-2011 MBP (my mid-2011 Mac Mini appears to support it), that alone wouldn't have me upgrading. Once I dropped a data doubler in and gave my MBP a SSD boot disk (which has progressed from 120gb to 256gb and now to 750gb alongside its 768gb HDD), my machine runs so fast I can't fathom needing a new machine anytime soon (especially since I sprung for the upgraded HD display).

 

I couldn't get AirDrop to work between my iPad mini (latest iOS 8 beta) and 2011 MBP (latest OS X beta). So AirDrop most likely requires BT 4.0 LE as well. 

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