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post #41 of 157
No!

It is a beta by definition it isn't ready for a main machine. Further Apple specifically tells you it isn't to be used that way.

If you can live with potential data loss then it might be useful to you. That and you are willing to file bug reports.
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So far, is it good enough to use on your main Mac or not? I am not gonna whine of course; just wanna know how much of a "beta" it really is as far as daily usage is concerned.

This sort of questioning is why I agree 100% with Tallest first post. People just don't understand betas.
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:D I meant my Mac Pro , LOL ;)

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Stop whining.
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And here come 10,000 morons who install this and then whine about things being broken.
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Has anyone tried iCloud Drive? I am not running iOS 8 so I can't use it as I would lose the old iCloud functionality. Does it work like DropBox or is it different.
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And here come 10,000 morons who install this and then whine about things being broken.


Says the guy who said just yesterday that these users know what they're getting into.

 

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This sort of questioning is why I agree 100% with Tallest first post. People just don't understand betas.

 

This is because both Apple, Google, and many others have bastardized the term "Beta" for things like Siri and Gmail. 

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No!

It is a beta by definition it isn't ready for a main machine. Further Apple specifically tells you it isn't to be used that way.

If you can live with potential data loss then it might be useful to you. That and you are willing to file bug reports.
This sort of questioning is why I agree 100% with Tallest first post. People just don't understand betas.

 

All he wants to know is how stable it is? How freaken hard is that to understand? He didn't ask for a damn lecture on the possible dangers of installing a beta operating system.

 

Here's a few more "appropriate" questions some of you can answer...

 

1. How stable does it seem?

2. Frequent crashes/freezing?

3. Many interface glitches?

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post #48 of 157

If anyone here is installing this on an older Mac and they have a beta of iOS 8...

 

Do you know or have you tried using a Bluetooth 4.0 USB dongle to enable the "Continuity" features?

 

Thanks, in advanced!

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post #49 of 157
be careful, challenging to revert back to Mavericks because of CoreStorage.
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Re-loaded the Beta page every 10 mins or so, eventually got through.  D/L-ing now.  Will be interesting to see what happens. :)

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Please spare us from such condescending attitudes; I probably use Apple computers for a longer time than you do - but thanks for your answer in the third paragraph; I am not stupid and am aware of the risks, so will install it in a separate HD for now.

Oh please! Then why in **** all were you asking such an assinine question like a newbie then?!

NO! It is not safe at all and you should wait for the actual release.

It's a Developers BETA! Use at your own risk! And for being such a brain-dead moron after someone warned you nicely, I sure hope your power, batteries and backups are in order, because you're givin' off some bad Karma!
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post #52 of 157

A question here.

My secondary MBP runs Mavericks, so it should qualify.

Also I signed up to the beta program.

After receiving the "We'll be back soon" message for some time, I got to download the MavericksBetaAccessUtility.

However, I do not see any downloads in the App Store. Not in the German one (where I live, nor in the US store).

 

Any ideas what could help?

 

 

Update: Retried multipole times. Finally it showed up. IDK why it didn't before.


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Oh please! Then why in **** all were you asking such an assinine question like a newbie then?!

NO! It is not safe at all and you should wait for the actual release.

It's a Developers BETA! Use at your own risk! And for being such a brain-dead moron after someone warned you nicely, I sure hope your power, batteries and backups are in order, because you're givin' off some bad Karma!

 

He was condescending and that's why I responded like that...just like I am responding now to your own stupid message using the term "asinine".

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post #54 of 157
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If anyone here is installing this on an older Mac and they have a beta of iOS 8...

 

Do you know or have you tried using a Bluetooth 4.0 USB dongle to enable the "Continuity" features?

 

Thanks, in advanced!


Well - BT 4.0 enabled cards are not required for Continuity to work, just the devices be on the same iCloud account and connected to the web in some fashion (Continuity includes features like SMS in Messages on Mac).

 

But unfortunately, that's a no for Handoff. While it will show up that your Mac supports it (depending on the doggle), it will not work. It seems as though Apple is checking not for 4.0 support but specific cards against machines. I swapped out the BT chip in my 2011 mbp with a 2012 one and it still took a change to a kext to disable that check to allow Handoff to prompt me. 

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No!

It is a beta by definition it isn't ready for a main machine. Further Apple specifically tells you it isn't to be used that way.

If you can live with potential data loss then it might be useful to you. That and you are willing to file bug reports.
This sort of questioning is why I agree 100% with Tallest first post. People just don't understand betas.

 

Again, kid: stop being condescending when you don't even know who you talk to or how many years one has been using Apple computers.

 

I asked nicely and got way worse than that...so just don't write back if you are not adding anything to the original request. By the way, is this related to nerds having zero social intelligence or what?

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All he wants to know is how stable it is? How freaken hard is that to understand? He didn't ask for a damn lecture on the possible dangers of installing a beta operating system.

Here's a few more "appropriate" questions some of you can answer...

1. How stable does it seem?

2. Frequent crashes/freezing?

3. Many interface glitches?

All of the above are possible and any stability problems, glitches, or program incompatibilities wont be known with any degree of certainty until possibly Monday. So once again: it's all at your own risk, which is stated in the acknowledgment TOC when anyone signed up. Patience... or risk finding out yourself the hard way.
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post #57 of 157
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All he wants to know is how stable it is? How freaken hard is that to understand? He didn't ask for a damn lecture on the possible dangers of installing a beta operating system.

 

Here's a few more "appropriate" questions some of you can answer...

 

1. How stable does it seem?

2. Frequent crashes/freezing?

3. Many interface glitches?

 

Thank you for grasping the obvious...good to see that there is someone reasonable around here.

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post #58 of 157
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Just shut up, you idiot. He was condescending and that's why I responded like that...just like I am responding now to your own stupid message using the term "asinine".

Then why ask at all? Go ahead... install it and answer your own stupid question for yourself. That's what a beta is for anyway, for you and the beta testers to give feedback to Apple and the community. You first. We're waiting. 1rolleyes.gif
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Well - BT 4.0 enabled cards are not required for Continuity to work, just the devices be on the same iCloud account and connected to the web in some fashion (Continuity includes features like SMS in Messages on Mac).

 

But unfortunately, that's a no for Handoff. While it will show up that your Mac supports it (depending on the doggle), it will not work. It seems as though Apple is checking not for 4.0 support but specific cards against machines. I swapped out the BT chip in my 2011 mbp with a 2012 one and it still took a change to a kext to disable that check to allow Handoff to prompt me. 

 

 

 

 

Thanks! But I'm not going to give up!

 

I found a couple sets of instructions... I still gotta try.

 

http://blog.joefernandez.me/post/57511809381/belkin-mini-bluetooth-v4-0-usb-adapter-f8t065-on-mac

 

http://www.atpeaz.com/index.php/2012/using-unsupported-bluetooth-4-0-usb-dongle-with-os-x/

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post #60 of 157
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Thank you for grasping the obvious...good to see that there is someone reasonable around here.

Wrong. Obvious is for you and your Kumbiya buddy to get together, install the beta and answer the questions you're asking. Or don't and just wait until a number of knowledgable and experienced folks here have had the time to install and report back. I'm sure you'll hear soon enough of all of Yosemite's flaws and that Apple is surely doomed now.

BTW: beta testing is more than commenting about speed, the color of the icons, or GUI changes.
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post #61 of 157
@brlawer - you made the claim that you have so much experience, so...

Q: what are the first 3 things you should do to prepare any machine before updating any OS, whether beta or production?

Come on... give us The Spelling Idiots a simple lesson and proof of your supremecy... even though you're the one with the dumb questions and comprehension deficiency.
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All he wants to know is how stable it is?
It is a beta with all the Apple supplied warnings, how difficult is that?
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How freaken hard is that to understand? He didn't ask for a damn lecture on the possible dangers of installing a beta operating system.
I was being nice. I'm on vacation this week so I'm a bit more relaxed and was taking it easy. I don't have a high tolerance for stupidity.
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Here's a few more "appropriate" questions some of you can answer...
Your advice isn't needed and frankly if anything I went too easy on the guy.
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1. How stable does it seem?

2. Frequent crashes/freezing?

3. Many interface glitches?

In the end I think Tallest and the others are right. The Apple community doesn't have the chops to handle a beta.
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All of the above are possible and any stability problems, glitches, or program incompatibilities wont be known with any degree of certainty until possibly Monday. So once again: it's all at your own risk, which is stated in the acknowledgment TOC when anyone signed up. Patience... or risk finding out yourself the hard way.

 

You know what? It was a really simple question that someone who has been running the beta for a while now could've answered and someone who downloaded this public version and has started playing around could've given first impressions.

 

A simple, "No, man, too many issues, not at all usable." or "Seems fine so far. I haven't noticed any serious problems."

 

Is that really that damned hard? Apparently, some of you would rather give a lecture and come off as high and mighty.

 

I've used a beta version of almost EVERY OS X release on my main system after I backup up the old. I know what a beta is. I know there are risks. That's not the question that was asked, and yet that's the only answer you "super smart" people want to respond with and continue to reiterate in every response.

 

How about you shut up and ignore the question if you don't have the answer? I don't need the beta-police telling what I should and shouldn't do, I'm just looking for an opinion on how well the beta runs.


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post #64 of 157
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So far, is it good enough to use on your main Mac or not? I am not gonna whine of course; just wanna know how much of a "beta" it really is as far as daily usage is concerned.

 

No, it is not. Apple has said very clearly that it should not be relied on in a mission critical setting.

 

I'm sorry if you think this attitude is condescending, but the fact is that this beta has been live for less than 24 hours. There is no way anyone here has a good feel for how stable it is.

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Yeah, I created another partition.  I expect problems -- possibly many -- but the only complaining I will do about them is here, to piss off TS. ;)

 

j/k

 

Yikes! That sounds a bit risky. I hope you backed up your main partition and have it disconnected from the machine?

 

I remember there was one beta that had a bug in the file system and started wiping all the connected drives.

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All he wants to know is how stable it is? How freaken hard is that to understand? He didn't ask for a damn lecture on the possible dangers of installing a beta operating system.

 

Here's a few more "appropriate" questions some of you can answer...

 

1. How stable does it seem?

2. Frequent crashes/freezing?

3. Many interface glitches?

 

I don't think anyone here can ethically answer those questions. We are all dealing with Beta software that we don't have extensive experience with. The whole point of the beta is so that testers can run into unknown problems. The only one qualified to tell you whether or not it is stable enough to be used on a main machine is Apple, and they have already given that answer. the people you rate attacking are simply trying to do the right thing by not lulling the OP into a false sense of security.

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:) great beta !!! is working flawlessly  on my Mac Pro 2009  , if this is the unfinished product , the final version will rock , super fast , reminds me more and more of OS 7... !!!!:D 

 

 

Big Bang was the bomb! 

 

it flew on my IIcx

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And here come 10,000 morons who install this and then whine about things being broken.

 

When signing up for a AI account, can the question 'are you a new Apple beta tester?' be asked, and if so, deny registration :) 

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Yikes! That sounds a bit risky. I hope you backed up your main partition and have it disconnected from the machine?

 

I remember there was one beta that had a bug in the file system and started wiping all the connected drives.

 

Really?  I figured a separate partition would be fine,  no?  My back-up is a TM back-up, but obviously connected to the same machine.

 

Well, so far, I've played around with Yosemite a bit.  I like it, though I WISH I COULD EFFIN' GET ICLOUD KEYCHAIN TO ACTUALLY *WORK* FOR ONCE!  Other than that, though ... :)

 

One thing though, and I'm sure that this shows how dumb I am -- I always assumed (from years of using Linux) that when I restarted, it would give me the option of the different partitions into which reboot.  Apparently, unless I am missing something (which I am SURE I am), I need to keep going and changing the Startup Disk?

 

What am I missing?

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I don't think anyone here can ethically answer those questions. We are all dealing with Beta software that we don't have extensive experience with. The whole point of the beta is so that testers can run into unknown problems. The only one qualified to tell you whether or not it is stable enough to be used on a main machine is Apple, and they have already given that answer. the people you rate attacking are simply trying to do the right thing by not lulling the OP into a false sense of security.

 

Well there are many people here who have been using the beta since it was released at WWDC. They would know how well the beta runs and can give an impression. We can assume (not always) that since this beta is a newer build, it might have even less issues than the DP4 beta released earlier this week.

 

Apple doesn't say whether it is or isn't stable enough to use as an everyday machine. They do say they recommend you backup your system or install it on a second Mac. I have used many OS X betas where Apple has said the same thing and most have worked fine for everyday use.

 

I downloaded the public beta, but I cannot install it at the moment due to the fact that one of drives has died in my RAID, so I cannot backup my system. So I was just being curious to what some people thought about it. I never expected that question to be answered right away. I can always come back tomorrow and read responses. Unfortunately, a few people responded by lecturing me on something I am already well aware of, rather expressing an opinion that would've been a proper response to my question. Again, I never asked if it was okay or safe to install the OS.

 

Mature, proper responses to the question would've been along the lines of,

 

"I downloaded it and tried it ... I wouldn't recommend that you use it as an everyday system ... way too many issues and kernel panics"

 

Or even,

 

"It's great! Love the new interface. Runs much faster and smoother. I did notice a few issues though, but nothing major, so far."

 
That's all I was looking for. There's no need for ethics here. If someone is stupid enough to come on here looking for advice and then installs the public beta over the top of their existing OS without following Apple's recommendations (backing up or use second Mac), then tough. Don't come on here bitching and whining about. No one wants to hear it!
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Really?  I figured a separate partition would be fine,  no?  My back-up is a TM back-up, but obviously connected to the same machine.

 

Well, so far, I've played around with Yosemite a bit.  I like it, though I WISH I COULD EFFIN' GET ICLOUD KEYCHAIN TO ACTUALLY *WORK* FOR ONCE!  Other than that, though ... :)

 

One thing though, and I'm sure that this shows how dumb I am -- I always assumed (from years of using Linux) that when I restarted, it would give me the option of the different partitions into which reboot.  Apparently, unless I am missing something (which I am SURE I am), I need to keep going and changing the Startup Disk?

 

What am I missing?

 

It doesn't matter which drive you boot from, the other partition is still there and can still be mounted and accessed by the system. And if there's some unfortunate series of bugs, the partition could be mounted and then wiped. Truthfully, the odds are small, very rare, but it is still possible.

 

You have a TimeMachine backup? Is it on an external disk? If so, just disconnect or power off while you're playing around in Yosemite.

 

So you're having issues with iCloud Keychain? Is that just happening or were having an issue with Mavericks as well?

 

 

Not sure how I missed that last problem of choosing which disk to boot from... what ai46 says two posts down. LOL


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I have installed on a second computer and have not run into a single problem—so far.

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Yikes! That sounds a bit risky. I hope you backed up your main partition and have it disconnected from the machine?

 

I remember there was one beta that had a bug in the file system and started wiping all the connected drives.

 

Really?  I figured a separate partition would be fine,  no?  My back-up is a TM back-up, but obviously connected to the same machine.

 

Well, so far, I've played around with Yosemite a bit.  I like it, though I WISH I COULD EFFIN' GET ICLOUD KEYCHAIN TO ACTUALLY *WORK* FOR ONCE!  Other than that, though ... :)

 

One thing though, and I'm sure that this shows how dumb I am -- I always assumed (from years of using Linux) that when I restarted, it would give me the option of the different partitions into which reboot.  Apparently, unless I am missing something (which I am SURE I am), I need to keep going and changing the Startup Disk?

 

What am I missing?


After restarting, press and hold down the option key until all volumes load. Use the arrow keys to select the one you want to startup from. I always keep my main HDD as the Startup Disk choice then select others this way.

HTH,

ciao—◊

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Installed on external drive to test... me likes!
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After restarting, press and hold down the option key until all volumes load. Use the arrow keys to select the one you want to startup from. I always keep my main HDD as the Startup Disk choice then select others this way.

HTH,

ciao—◊

 

Thank you!  :)

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It doesn't matter which drive you boot from, the other partition is still there and can still be mounted and accessed by the system. And if there's some unfortunate series of bugs, the partition could be mounted and then wiped. Truthfully, the odds are small, very rare, but it is still possible.

 

You have a TimeMachine backup? Is it on an external disk? If so, just disconnect or power off while you're playing around in Yosemite.

 

So you're having issues with iCloud Keychain? Is that just happening or were having an issue with Mavericks as well?

 

 

Not sure how I missed that last problem of choosing which disk to boot from... what ai46 says two posts down. LOL

 

The Keychain problem has been going onnforever.  It SHOULD be simple, but somehow it keeps not doing anything.  I am sure it's me.

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Is making a time machine backup and cutting Time machine in Yosemite a sufficient way to backup the system or do I need to make my backup on a separate drive ?

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I have a 2nd machine just for this kind of testing...  installed no problem just now.

 

 

First impression is there are some very needed tweaks to the UI; I find it a bit awkward and even distracting (especially with the transparency- I thought my display had a problem until I remembered that it is my iMac that is actually fine).  Some color usage is odd to me, but I need more time.

 

My opinion may change over time.  (Sadly, though, it did not with iOS7, so I don't know).

 

Will have a good go later today.

 

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So a few hours in ...

 

It doesn't look THAT much different than my Mavericks set-up, but there are certainly some differences in the UI.  I have not noticed the translucency of the menus that much, but there is definitely a more "easy" overall look.

 

A few things work differently.  I had to Bing to figure out how to turn on the Dashboard for instance (Settings --> Mission Control).  I still haven't completely figured out the new Dock.  And I am not 100% sure of how I feel about the new Spotlight (Big box in the middle of the screen).

 

Otherwise, though, it's working great.  I really like the new look of Mail, for example.  iTunes 12 seems to be pretty much like 11, but I haven't spent a lot of time with it.  Etc.  Etc.

 

I dig it, and have yet to have any real (non-self-inclifted) problems. :)

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