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Of course not all features are working hence the term "beta"...but for what has been released it Rocks! If you've not downloaded it and are not testing it - why are you wasting time commenting? Get a life.

It is a valid point considering they demonstrated those key features and announced a beta to test it.  But you cannot test the features without iOS 8.  For your information, I have downloaded it and installed it.  It is not very impressive without being able to test the key features they advertised.  It is a pre-release with a new UI that will likely change before final release.  You cannot even give examples why it rocks.  Perhaps they should have mentioned the key features would be disabled when they announced the beta.  Most people would want to test the new features and report issues, but they can't do that without iOS 8.  Maybe the developers will fine tune those features, but the public cannot.

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Take your FUD and shove it, you useless, pathetic troll.

How is that trolling when iOS 8 beta is required to test the new features, but iOS 8 will not be released as a public beta?  Can you explain that?  I did not think so!

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Yosemite rocks!!!

The UI looks great and it is already wicked fast.

But, but, but, is Safari as fast as before...? 1cool.gif
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Its working fine for me on my 2011 Mac Mini, dual display 22".  Nothing fuzzy, even worked on a project last night for a few hours in Illustrator, no tired or strained eyes at all. 

 

 

 

I think I might be in a minority!  Glad it worked for you.  Several apps I use work fine in Yosemite; full screen and you hardly notice the UI underneath.

 

My beef is with the Apple UI, and the Apple apps.  But as I said early on, maybe I am just getting dated and cannot keep up with what is considered "good modern design".  I can accept that, but will provide my feedback in case others have problems similar to mine.

 

iOS7 is an abomination.  As more and more developers tweak their apps to align with 7 (even those that still run on 6), I find that their usability drops, for me at least.  In fact I have stopped using a couple of apps entirely.  However, many people don't agree.  That's life.

 

Yosemite is going to do to the Mac what iOS7 did to the iDevice: completely change UI design and feel.  Personally, I think for the worse.   Again, many people might not agree with me and that's life.

 

I accept that I might be stuck at Mavericks for several years.  Indeed, I started thinking this last year when iOS7 was released.  That's why I bought a new Mac Pro this year and plan to upgrade one more machine before the Yosemite launch so as to ensure Mavericks is on it.  It may be the last Mac I buy for a while.  Apple, though, will not care abut a single lost sale that they will likely replace with 1 or even 2 new ones.

 

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You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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How about OS X X.X
For the hardcore?

I always thought OSX was pronounced: Oh-Sex 1biggrin.gif

... great conversation starter: "What do you think about OSX ..."

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I'll have to try that one!

 

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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post
How is that trolling when iOS 8 beta is required to test the new features

 

Because you are not required to have iOS 8 to test the new features. I explained it in seconds.

 

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Since you apparently agree with him, show us anything in his post that is correct, please. hillstones is a known troll. You only prove your vendetta by siding with him.


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How can it "rock" when all the new features they demonstrated are not enabled in the Beta?  You cannot test any of the new features because iOS 8 is required on your iOS device, and they do not allow a public beta of that software.

I underlined your wild exaggerated claims.
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The main features demonstrated will not be available until the software is officially released with iOS 8, so the public beta does not seem worth using or testing.

Then you jump into a comment that isn't about all features, but the main ones, although that's still not accurate as there are features they demoed that are in the beta. If they demoed them I think it can be argued they are main features of Yosemite.
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But hopefully many will give feedback on the awful use of transparency.

You have now gone from saying none of the new features are available to saying none of the main features are available to stating a feature that is found in the 4th beta of Yosemite.
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The early days of OS X had a large amount of transparency and throughout the years, it was toned down drastically, because overlapping windows bleeding through does not create a good working environment.  Just look at the transparent menu bar, which most people disable.  Random desktops wipe out the menu bar text and it is not consistent with any application, since the apps are not transparent.  Even Microsoft learned their mistake with their Aero theme.

That is just complaining about something you can disable which is pointless.

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Since you apparently agree with him, show us anything in his post that is correct, please. hillstones is a known troll. You only prove your vendetta by siding with him.

 

Vendetta?  This isn't the Wild West, get over yourself.  I don't particularly agree with hillstones, but that doesn't mean your response was in any way proportionate or polite.

 

He is partially correct that a lot of the headline features of Yosemite are dependent on also having an iOS device, so a public beta tester will not have the full experience of Yosemite they might hope for.  I've commented on that myself in an earlier post.  Clearly he exaggerated how important that was, but he's hardly the first person to exaggerate a point.  Screeching at him to shut up is childish.

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How is that trolling when iOS 8 beta is required to test the new features, but iOS 8 will not be released as a public beta?  Can you explain that?  I did not think so!

Maybe you first should've read this:
https://appleseed.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/guide?cid=CDM-EU-4131&cp=em-P0016140-328689&sr=em

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Handoff between Mac and iOS devices requires iOS 8. Phone, SMS, and Instant Hotspot features also require iOS 8. iOS 8 is available to iOS developers as part of the iOS Developer Program.

And then decide if testing beta software is something you want to do.
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A few versions of OS X ago they added a thing where certain apps (e.g. Preview, Quicktime Player) would automatically quit if they had no open windows. This seems to be gone now, they don't quit unless you command-Q them.

That's odd, I never experienced that even from the first beta. Was that common? I started off only running on my nMac Pro but since beta 3 have been only running on a 2013 Mac mini so maybe that is the difference.
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But Oct 10th is the same as Oct 1st¡ Seriously though, I don't see Cook waiting or forcing a release to conform to such a date unless it's slated to be ready within a week before that date. It is a Friday; have they released a new OS on a Friday?
There was many.

In Cupertino it's maybe October X. 1biggrin.gif
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i suppose it depends on what you are doing.

here is my workflow:
skim through images on file server in the finder
drag & drop an image deeply nested onto the open file dialog box in photoshop
photoshop remembers last location for the dialog box, so i can just hit cmd+O in the application to open another of that series.


so when i am in photoshop and am trying to open one of a series of already filed/organized images, i don't what the "open file" dialog box become a "move file" dialog box. i use the finder to organize, the dialog box to open.

You have reminded me ... There was a wonderful 3rd party extension in the days of OS 9 and earlier, the name escapes me now (Dick will know), that allowed an amazing amount of control over folder locations in the open and save dialog boxes. I miss it to this day. In work flows such as yours and mine one could add folders you used either regularly or during a project and it would remember where you opened from and saved to but also have any others you added in a drop down menu. Working in graphics and video this cut my work flow time down enormously and more importantly reduced frustration dramatically. It is a massively missing element to Apple's own open and save dialog boxes IMHO. Someone should write an add on to OS X ... if it is even possible.
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A few versions of OS X ago they added a thing where certain apps (e.g. Preview, Quicktime Player) would automatically quit if they had no open windows. This seems to be gone now, they don't quit unless you command-Q them.
that would be a welcome return, though it don't think the application actually quit; it merely had the glowing bubble removed from the dock, but the process itself was still alive when checking in the Application Monitor.
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You have reminded me ... There was a wonderful 3rd party extension in the days of OS 9 and earlier, the name escapes me now (Dick will know), that allowed an amazing amount of control over folder locations in the open and save dialog boxes. I miss it to this day. In work flows such as yours and mine one could add folders you used either regularly or during a project and it would remember where you opened from and saved to but also have any others you added in a drop down menu. Working in graphics and video this cut my work flow time down enormously and more importantly reduced frustration dramatically. It is a massively missing element to Apple's own open and save dialog boxes IMHO. Someone should write an add on to OS X ... if it is even possible.

Default Folder? It was always one of the first utilities i installed!

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that would be a welcome return, though it don't think the application actually quit; it merely had the glowing bubble removed from the dock, but the process itself was still alive when checking in the Application Monitor.

The inconsistency of this behavior is what has always annoyed me. 

 

Dictionary, Notes, Disk Utility, Calculator... these all quit when you close the last remaining window.

Preview, Mail, Calendar, iTunes... these do not quit when you close the last remaining window.

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Default Folder? It was always one of the first utilities i installed!

Yep thanks, that was it. 1cool.gif

I remember when i moved to OS X (I started on the beta) I missed this more than anything. Still do!
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The inconsistency of this behavior is what has always annoyed me. 

Dictionary, Notes, Disk Utility, Calculator... these all quit when you close the last remaining window.
Preview, Mail, Calendar, iTunes... these do not quit when you close the last remaining window.

Thanks for the breakdown in apps.I was merely thinking of Preview, and didn't check apps as I am on my iPad now. Anyhoo, weird behaviour, and I don't see any similarities as to determine which apps should close and which not. I haven't checked 'App Nap'; could that compute?
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Originally Posted by sandor View Post
The inconsistency of this behavior is what has always annoyed me. 

 

Dictionary, Notes, Disk Utility, Calculator... these all quit when you close the last remaining window.

Preview, Mail, Calendar, iTunes... these do not quit when you close the last remaining window.


Document-based applications remain open. Window-based applications close. Pretty simple.

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The inconsistency of this behavior is what has always annoyed me. 


Dictionary, Notes, Disk Utility, Calculator... these all quit when you close the last remaining window.
Preview, Mail, Calendar, iTunes... these do not quit when you close the last remaining window.


Document-based applications remain open. Window-based applications close. Pretty simple.


Uuuhm, why is there a difference? And what makes you say Mail, Calendar, iTunes are document-based? The only app I would consider document-based would be Preview, and even that one is more or less a read-only app. Notes, Disk Utility, Mail, Calendar and iTunes...I'd consider those databases.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
Uuuhm, why is there a difference?

 

Because you use them differently.

 
And what makes you say Mail, Calendar, iTunes are document-based? The only app I would consider document-based would be Preview, and even that one is more or less a read-only app. Notes, Disk Utility, Mail, Calendar and iTunes...I'd consider those databases. 

 

Mail because you create documents, Calendar because multiple individual items can be open at once, and iTunes because it plays music in the background.

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Uuuhm, why is there a difference?

Because you use them differently.
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And what makes you say Mail, Calendar, iTunes are document-based? The only app I would consider document-based would be Preview, and even that one is more or less a read-only app. Notes, Disk Utility, Mail, Calendar and iTunes...I'd consider those databases. 

Mail because you create documents, Calendar because multiple individual items can be open at once, and iTunes because it plays music in the background.

Ooh, good point on iTunes, didn't think of that. Mail I see differently as I don't really save individual documents. And with threaded mail, a single window for all my email I see the program, or any email app, as a DB. Guess I have a different view on these apps.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
And with threaded mail, a single window for all my email I see the program, or any email app, as a DB. Guess I have a different view on these apps.

 

Now if we could just get Notification Center to STOP OPENING E-MAILS IN A NEW WINDOW in newer versions of OS X...

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Because you use them differently.

Mail because you create documents, Calendar because multiple individual items can be open at once, and iTunes because it plays music in the background.

Notes creates documents in the same way Mail does...

All can have multiple windows open at once.
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And with threaded mail, a single window for all my email I see the program, or any email app, as a DB. Guess I have a different view on these apps.

Now if we could just get Notification Center to STOP OPENING E-MAILS IN A NEW WINDOW in newer versions of OS X...

Hear! Hear! And stop notifying me on anything while I'm in Full Screen Mode. Setting this myself shouldn't be the way.

Yes, yes, already put in as feedback....
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Originally Posted by sandor View Post
Notes creates documents in the same way Mail does...

 

Oh, hey; look at that.

 

I’m guessing that the difference is in its source of creation. Mail comes from NeXTSTEP while Notes comes from iPhone OS. One was designed back in the days of “have a ton of separate windows open” and the other in the “no windows, ever” phase.

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Oh, hey; look at that.

I’m guessing that the difference is in its source of creation. Mail comes from NeXTSTEP while Notes comes from iPhone OS. One was designed back in the days of “have a ton of separate windows open” and the other in the “no windows, ever” phase.

and thus the reason the inconsistency is so annoying after 10 iterations of OS X
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I installed the beta with minimal problems. But once I shut down my comport iMac, and restarted, it would NOT load, giving me a grey screen. I am in the process of reinstalling Maverick. Has any one else had this problem?
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and thus the reason the inconsistency is so annoying after 10 iterations of OS X

I would hate if the Mail app would shut down by simply closing the last window. I would also hate if Dictionary, Calculator, etc. would stay open by closing their only window.

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I would hate if the Mail app would shut down by simply closing the last window. I would also hate if Dictionary, Calculator, etc. would stay open by closing their only window.

to each their own.

but I would always vote for consistent behavior in an operating system.
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I really like what Apple has done with the new interface, very pretty but it's defiantly not completely redesigned as they state on their site. I actually think it's time for Apple to do a complete GUI overhaul, though still the prettiest UNIX UI around,  I had just assumed that after a decade with same interface Apple would have come up with something new already. When can we expect the marriage between iOS and OSX, that's what I want. A full fledged tablet OS, iOS 8 is defiantly going in the right direction but is still missing many of those things that I take for granted in OSX and Windows 8, specifically a file manager. It seems like Apple is spending so much time on their mobile stuff lately that they just updated OSX to the bare minimum of what their customer base would call an update. Now, I'm just being picky here as I will of course continue using my Macbook Air with OSX happily for the foreseeable future  So this version of OSX is nice, like their previous update and the one before that but nothing revolutionary or anything specifically that will greatly improve my overall work flow. Am I wrong for feeling this way. I am also getting spoiled with touch interfaces, but I love them, I mean I really love them and want to see all of my toys support this wonderful technology. You have no idea how much I want to be able to fold my MacBook AIr completely back like a Lenovo Yoga, grab my pen and start drawing with Photoshop. I can't even tell you how many times I have accidentally reached for the display and slide my finger across expecting it would change applications, yeah okay I'm spoiled but I don't care, I want these things.

 

I miss Steve........

 

P.S. I am very depressed and moody today as I have a fever from an infection, so don't take anything I say to seriously


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Adoption and metrics would be reflected as even higher if we could load Yosemite in a Parallels 9 VM...


I'm fairly confident that Apple is not the least bit interested in how well Yosemite performs in a Parallels 9 VM...  ;-)

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Anyone else having problems with Mail? My POP accounts will not log in. Even when I tried re-entering the passwords in Internet Accounts. My gmail works, but not my POP. Also, it is not letting me send feedback. Anyone else having these issues?
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I installed the public beta on launch day without trouble on my mid 2011 MBP (I had to retry several times before it showed in the App Store. But once it did all the rest went flawless).

Since then I haven't really done a lot of specific testing. Just light everyday use.
So far only experienced mild issues. Like transparency for the menu at and menus not being correct (seems opaque sometimes, on other occasions the background color "stuck" even when the background was changed) and Safari getting inresponsive to scrolling window content. Both fixed with relaunch of the app.

For the rest I can only comment on the GUI. to me it looks good. More estate. I really love the ios-like feature in safari when opening a new window or starting typing in the search bar. Fonts look less legible to me. Maybe because it's optimized for retina displays?
Oh, and I miss my Dropbox extension in finder windows - I guess that will have to come back as an extension.
Otherwise no apparent issues running iworks, mail, pixelmator, iBooks Author and the other apps I'm using. Network connection through wifi seems to be stable as before.
So far so good to me.

Edit: one more observation is that responsiveness is overall a bit laggy. Like ios 7 on an iPhone 4 before 7.1. Could be due to debugging code, lack of optimization or that the hw finally shows it's age. Still glad it's being supported.
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that would be a welcome return, though it don't think the application actually quit; it merely had the glowing bubble removed from the dock, but the process itself was still alive when checking in the Application Monitor.

Yes, you're right, I believe the process was put in some kind of suspended state, but not actually killed. Well the auto suspend seems to be gone now, until they're still doing it, just not making the glowing bubble disappear any more.

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Adobe providing NO SUPPORT for Yosemite until Apple declares it official.

 

SO if you use Adobe Products I would refrain from using Mac 10.10 Yosemite OR stop paying for things that don't work until the Developer sees fit !

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P.S. I am very depressed and moody today as I have a fever from an infection, so don't take anything I say to seriously

We never do¡ Seriously, perfectly fine to be moody when having a fever. I hope this infection is already curing and getting you out of your depressed state. Sending virtual positive energy over the 'net... to you.
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I installed on a USB 3 external HDD on my 2013 rMBP and it is really nippy. Startup is not as quick as SSD obviously but once it's up and running it is almost indistinguishable from the internal HDD.
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OS X 10.10. It would be awesome if it shipped on Oct 10.
BTW, who was it that kept insisting Apple wouldn't call it 10.10 because that was numerically equal to 10.1?

I can't imagine...
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OS X 10.10. It would be awesome if it shipped on Oct 10.
BTW, who was it that kept insisting Apple wouldn't call it 10.10 because that was numerically equal to 10.1?

How about OS X X.X

No. Apple is for all ages, not just adults.
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