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Apple's MacBook Pro lineup, in both the 13- and 15-inch varieties, is now rumored to receive an update on Tuesday, following a leak that suggested all 15-inch models will come standard with 16 gigabytes of RAM.




The new 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display is said to be identified as model "J44a," according to French website MacG, which cited "confirmation" from a reliable source. The new 15-inch model is said to be identified as "J45a."

No other information on the new high-end MacBook Pro models was provided, though alleged in-store signage from China leaked on Sunday claiming to show the new 15-inch models will see slight CPU speed increases and will come with 16-gigabytes of RAM in all models. The alleged advertisement also seemed to suggest that the models would come at the same price points as the current offerings.

If true, that would fit in line with Apple's other Mac upgrades thus far this year, which have seen minor improvements in light of no major chip upgrades available from Intel. The hold-up is in Intel's next-generation chips, dubbed "Broadwell," which have seen numerous delays.




Intel has promised that the first Broadwell CPUs will hit the market before the end of the year, but it's unknown whether they would arrive in time, or in significant enough capacity, to power any new Macs.

In June, Apple launched a new $1,099 iMac, reaching a new price point with a low-end processor. Apple also dropped the price of its MacBook Air range in April, reaching a new entry price of $899 and increasing the speed of its processors by 100 megahertz.

Apple is expected to debut a new 12-inch MacBook model later this year with a Retina display. Speculation has suggested that this model might be a redesigned MacBook Air and the first to feature a pixel-packing screen, while some believe that Apple might be waiting for Intel's Broadwell CPUs to launch the rumored new model.

Broadwell is the codename used to refer to a 14-nanometer die shrink of Intel's existing 22-nanometer Haswell architecture. Intel says its new, smaller designs will bring a 30 percent reduction in power consumption while offering the same horsepower.

The 12-inch Retina MacBook Air is also rumored to sport a fan-less design, which would require cooler and more efficient CPUs. Apple is also expected to achieve an exceptionally thin design with a new click-less trackpad and fewer inputs and outputs.
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Could this also mean the Mini will be updated? I don't know anything about CPU roadmaps and rather ask here than to Google it. Mine is from 2011 and I upgraded the RAM to 8GB. With 10.9 it was only using 2, but I installed 10.10 and now it's using 5.5 after a clean boot without doing anything except Screen Sharing.

Maybe I'll just downgrade it again; I only use it for watching videos as it's connected to the big screen in the living.
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Could this also mean the Mini will be updated? I don't know anything about CPU roadmaps and rather ask here than to Google it. Mine is from 2011 and I upgraded the RAM to 8GB. With 10.9 it was only using 2, but I installed 10.10 and now it's using 5.5 after a clean boot without doing anything except Screen Sharing.

Maybe I'll just downgrade it again; I only use it for watching videos as it's connected to the big screen in the living.

 

This thing with the Mini kinda reminds me of the PowerBook G5. It was never updated properly and we always wish'd it arrive, but never did. I beginning to think its going to be the same way. I too would really like to see a Mac mini update. 

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Still no 17" model 1frown.gif
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Still no 17" model 1frown.gif

I doubt they are coming back, especially since they now have more pixels on the Retina models that the 17" ever had. If you want a big screen you could stream to an AppleTV hooked up to... whatever.
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Could this also mean the Mini will be updated?

Maybe, the old one used the same i7 CPU as the MBP at the time. It's not clear which dual-core they could use though. The ones in the 13" MBP are different now - they are ULT versions of the chips.

It's looking like it's EOL. The portable systems are driving sales. Without the Mini, the people who bought a Mini and are invested in the Mac ecosystem will simply buy higher priced Macs. The unit sales aren't high enough to worry about people switching to PCs or building hackintoshes.
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Could this also mean the Mini will be updated?

Maybe, the old one used the same i7 CPU as the MBP at the time. It's not clear which dual-core they could use though. The ones in the 13" MBP are different now - they are ULT versions of the chips.

It's looking like it's EOL. The portable systems are driving sales. Without the Mini, the people who bought a Mini and are invested in the Mac ecosystem will simply buy higher priced Macs. The unit sales aren't high enough to worry about people switching to PCs or building hackintoshes.

Wow there! Really? If that turns out to be true I better take care of the little guy. In fact, I'll buy two more if it's announced that they are EOL'd. I use it for watching stuff...that I cough*download*cough from the *cough*. Because we don't have TV shows in iTunes at this side of the pond Apple! And only having Netflix on the Apple TV is not going to cut it!
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Could this also mean the Mini will be updated? I don't know anything about CPU roadmaps and rather ask here than to Google it. Mine is from 2011 and I upgraded the RAM to 8GB. With 10.9 it was only using 2, but I installed 10.10 and now it's using 5.5 after a clean boot without doing anything except Screen Sharing.

Maybe I'll just downgrade it again; I only use it for watching videos as it's connected to the big screen in the living.

Since the chipsets used by the MBP and the MM are different, I think this rumor bears no bearing on the mini.

 

And for memory use...  any memory use during an 'early' beta (e.g. anything less than RC2) is not an indicator of production release memory demand.  and using 5.5 of 8 is, by every respect is 'wasting' 2.5GB;-), especially with the current memory management (I've found that with an SSD, my 2010 Mini with 8GB performs well at 7-8GB in use (Safari is my most violent offender), and I'm often at 7.5GB or higher, and with compression and other Mavericks memory management, I don't see any paging/swapping pressure that I was seeing when I was at pre-Mavericks.

 

For me the only reason to upgrade my Mini at this point would be a 4K graphics card... I'd love to drive 4 monitors off my Mini (I'm setting up a vid surveillance system, which should take 2 full screens [8 cams, plus a control and history scanning].)

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Good point on the beta.

Mine still has a HDD in it, which is fine for my use, but for those who use it as their computer you really need a SSD; there's no denying, nor going back.

That will be one heck of a setup! Home use surveillance?
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And for memory use...  any memory use during an 'early' beta (e.g. anything less than RC2) is not an indicator of production release memory demand.  and using 5.5 of 8 is, by every respect is 'wasting' 2.5GB;-), especially with the current memory management

 

The code in a beta release is likely built for debugging, not speed or optimized memory usage (the -O flags for those who know compilers).  So I wouldn't use it as an indicator of what the final release will be like.

 
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I%u2019ll buy another macbook when they bring back the 17%u201D not before. If they don%u2019t and my 2011 dies, I%u2019ll unfortunately have to look elsewhere.
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I purchased the 2nd hard drive kit from ifixit for my mini and put an SSD in. So I have both the regular 500 GB 5400 RPM hard drive and a 120 GB Intel SSD. The kit is fairly easy to install. The Mac mini itself comes apart quite easily with very few screws.

If they drop the mini, what are they gonna do about a server? Are they just going to assume any Mac can run The server app?

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Still no 17" model 1frown.gif

I'd love one, but I'm not holding my breath. Even when 4K screens are the norm I doubt Apple will bring back such a niche form factor. I'd love to be surprised though, I think next year is when I finally retire mine.

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I concur! Bring back the 17" please.... GPU power and Retina screens weren't ready back in 2012 for 17" but they are now. I'd happily pay premium, but I want 17" (my first Mac was a MBP 17" 2.33GHz in 2006 and it's still ticking on 10.7 )
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Wow there! Really? If that turns out to be true I better take care of the little guy. In fact, I'll buy two more if it's announced that they are EOL'd. I use it for watching stuff...that I cough*download*cough from the *cough*. Because we don't have TV shows in iTunes at this side of the pond Apple! And only having Netflix on the Apple TV is not going to cut it!

That usage scenario could be replaced by an $899 Air and you could watch shows in bed. You can Airplay the content from the MBA to a TV.

I wouldn't worry about the longevity of the Mini you have though, they are the most reliable machines Apple makes.

I like the Mac Mini and it was at one point my favorite machine in the lineup but portables are the way forward. The Retina MBP is IMO the best machine Apple currently makes. When the Air chips reach the CPU/GPU level of performance found in the current MBP in a fanless design and they manage full day battery life in a 14" or 15" form factor, I will consider that to be their best computer, even though the MBP would have a faster CPU/GPU option.
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If they drop the mini, what are they gonna do about a server? Are they just going to assume any Mac can run The server app?

They'll know how many people buy not only the Mini Server but also OS X Server. If they determine that number to be too low to be worth supporting, they'll just discontinue it. One option they have to is to make a special product from iOS. They can make very low cost ARM hardware like the Apple TV and it can run iOS Server and perform all the functions of OS X Server. They can even merge it with their Airport product.
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Good point on the beta.

Mine still has a HDD in it, which is fine for my use, but for those who use it as their computer you really need a SSD; there's no denying, nor going back.

That will be one heck of a setup! Home use surveillance?

SSD made all the difference.  for $200 getting a 500GB SSD is a no brainer (although I torqued my DVD drive installing the drive... @#$#).

 

yes.   I've got an 'old farmstead' inside a small city.  4 outbuildings, and lots of 'shadows'.   My new camera setup will 'come alive' on my mac if detecting motion on any camera... I get a notification now for any of the 4 current cams (4 more on the way with 150' IR range for my perimeter, now I'm just watching the buildings).  I get a lot of petty criminal stuff happening just outside my perimeter (mainly drunk and disorderly), and I want discourage that (the new camera processor has 'loiter detect' ['looks like a human, they're stopping... still there... trigger 'loiter' at location X'] and I can drive a canned speaker playback ['step away from the fence... '], and turning on perimeter [well, the porch or shop for now] lights to drive human response....).

 

My Mini now has 2 screens one dedicated to home/security automation (Indigo based).... I need at least 1 more (right now I have it stuffed into Spaces, so I can remote desktop in to view them), and a 4th would allow me to have my 'work'  and my home all up at the same time.

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The only thing I regretted when purchasing my 13" rMBP last year was that it didn't come with 16GBytes of RAM at the price point I could afford. With a few apps open the 8GBytes it did come with gets almost completely used up! I didn't know Mac's were such memory hogs! Being a former Windows user that is (who's glad he switched anyway).
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The only thing I regretted when purchasing my 13" rMBP last year was that it didn't come with 16GBytes of RAM at the price point I could afford. With a few apps open the 8GBytes it did come with gets almost completely used up! I didn't know Mac's were such memory hogs! Being a former Windows user that is (who's glad he switched anyway).

 

8GB should be plenty. I use a non-retina MBP with 8GB of RAM all day long at work with Safari, Mail, Apple Remote Desktop, Workgroup Manager, Server, Messages, Spotify and sometimes even Parallels and it runs fine. What apps are you using? Normally OS X is not a memory hog. 

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My MBP is good enough (don't use it enough o warrant upgrading it).  
 
Please update the mini, too!

 

Actually, go on and update everything except the MacPro, which I just bought.

 

I would consider a mini or a new iMac... VESA mounted... with Mavericks installed (yeah, I want to grab something before the Yosemite launch).

 

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Could this also mean the Mini will be updated? I

 

Don't tease me. Every single day I lie in wait for a mini update. My 2012 model sorely needs more performance.

 

Apple can't be so stupid as to think of the mini as unimportant. Every single article posted on every single Apple-related website that mentions any sort of Mac update lately has people commenting, "Great, who cares, WHERE IS TEH MAC MINI?!"

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Don't tease me. Every single day I lie in wait for a mini update. My 2012 model sorely needs more performance.

 

 

My 2012 is now a dedicated test machine; 3D rendering was causing it to whiz an whir and levitate, so I "upgraded" it to a Mac Pro.  Would love to see an updated mini that I could then use for a render farm...  (if Daz would ever get their act together and fix their apps:devil:).

 

The mini has Yosemite on it.  Personally, I feel that I have insulted the machine by putting such an ugly OS on it, but I seem to be in a minority.

 

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Don't tease me. Every single day I lie in wait for a mini update. My 2012 model sorely needs more performance.

Real CPU performance improvements is likely a delay until Broadwell.  Like stated in other threads, 10% CPU performance improvements isn't a reason for an upgrade (you could get more, but you'd lose the heat/power envelope that the Mini is exploiting now with the lower end chips).

 

Unless it's a 'everything else' upgrade (Graphics, MB, Memory, TB, Networking), I doubt Apple would spend the engineering bandwidth for just a CPU perf upgrade.

 

I'm holding out for a totally new design, in a mini tower (Airport Extreme footprint), but 1/2 height, broadwell based, fanless).   I'd be seeing the entire Apple home line moving into this footprint, in black, to align with the Mac Pro at the top and the AppleTV at the bottom.  

 

That's my baseless  rumor and I'm sticking to it...

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They'll know how many people buy not only the Mini Server but also OS X Server. If they determine that number to be too low to be worth supporting, they'll just discontinue it. One option they have to is to make a special product from iOS. They can make very low cost ARM hardware like the Apple TV and it can run iOS Server and perform all the functions of OS X Server. They can even merge it with their Airport product.

 

What about supporting Macs? Servers for more than just iOS devices. I have 150 Macs to support. 

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Hoping next year Retina MBA will move to at least 6GB Memory. ( 8GB will be great, but given the cost concern may be Apple wont do it. )

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Real CPU performance improvements is likely a delay until Broadwell.  Like stated in other threads, 10% CPU performance improvements isn't a reason for an upgrade (you could get more, but you'd lose the heat/power envelope that the Mini is exploiting now with the lower end chips).

 

Unless it's a 'everything else' upgrade (Graphics, MB, Memory, TB, Networking), I doubt Apple would spend the engineering bandwidth for just a CPU perf upgrade.

 

I'm holding out for a totally new design, in a mini tower (Airport Extreme footprint), but 1/2 height, broadwell based, fanless).   I'd be seeing the entire Apple home line moving into this footprint, in black, to align with the Mac Pro at the top and the AppleTV at the bottom.  

 

That's my baseless  rumor and I'm sticking to it...


I wish. Apple clearly doesn't want me to spend $1500 on a fully loaded Mac mini tower, they would much rather me buy a $3000 Mac Pro which exceeds my needs.

 

My mini is primary workstation....it drives Two 21.5" 1080p displays, has 16 GB of RAM and a 480 GB SSD that I put in. I can't do much more for this little guy. It desperately needs a quad core CPU and a better GPU than Intel HD 4000. What I wouldn't give for base model iMac specs in a new mini right now....

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Hoping next year Retina MBA will move to at least 6GB Memory. ( 8GB will be great, but given the cost concern may be Apple wont do it. )

 

8GB should be very easy for Apple to do. RAM prices have go to be dirt cheap because of the quantities they purchase. These days, no reason not to do 8GB standard for at least the very low end. Anything lower is just a joke. 

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Don't tease me. Every single day I lie in wait for a mini update. My 2012 model sorely needs more performance.

 

My 2010 (8gb) just finished a three-week stint at a local theatre, doing live production duty for a $35-per-seat show.  Modest ticket price by big-city standards, yes, but still mission-critical for the venue.  Its performance was flawless. 

 

I'll be very interested as to whether it will run Yosemite decently as-is, or if I will have to go with the not-officially-sanctioned 16gb upgrade. 

 

I think a brand-new new Mac Mini would be more cost-effective in the long run.

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I'm crossing my fingers for an iMac update as well.
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I wish. Apple clearly doesn't want me to spend $1500 on a fully loaded Mac mini tower, they would much rather me buy a $3000 Mac Pro which exceeds my needs.

 

My mini is primary workstation....it drives Two 21.5" 1080p displays, has 16 GB of RAM and a 480 GB SSD that I put in. I can't do much more for this little guy. It desperately needs a quad core CPU and a better GPU than Intel HD 4000. What I wouldn't give for base model iMac specs in a new mini right now....

calling a Mini a Tower is a bit of a stretch, figuratively and pun intended ;-).  

 

Apple has always tried to make it's buyers 'feel the pain' of buying up.   And, why not buy an iMac and replace your mini?

a 21" 1080p display is sort of weak sauce comparatively.

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calling a Mini a Tower is a bit of a stretch, figuratively and pun intended ;-).  

Apple has always tried to make it's buyers 'feel the pain' of buying up.  
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Still no 17" model 1frown.gif

If you want a 17" phone that badly, you should probably just get the Samsung Galaxy S9. 1wink.gif

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My mini is primary workstation....it drives Two 21.5" 1080p displays, has 16 GB of RAM and a 480 GB SSD that I put in. I can't do much more for this little guy. It desperately needs a quad core CPU and a better GPU than Intel HD 4000. What I wouldn't give for base model iMac specs in a new mini right now....

 

The Mini has never been designed to serve as a workstation.  Workstation being defined as a machine where you create products/deliver services which can be be sold for profit or exchanged for wages.

 

Generally, the higher cost to get a workstation-class machine is greatly offset by the fact that you can create products/deliver services faster and/or more cheaply.  Thus generating more far more profit/income over the lifetime of the machine.  If that's the case for you, then it should be a no-brainer to go for an iMac or Mac Pro (depending on your needs).  The Mini is designed primarily for the consumer market (or to be a small scale server in the case of the server model).

 
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What about supporting Macs? Servers for more than just iOS devices. I have 150 Macs to support.

An iOS Server could perform Mac device management.

OS X Server is 180MB in size and is just an add-on to Mavericks now. Maybe they can even allow an iPad to manage OS X devices. If you need to manage a specific Mac, you can walk over to it with the iPad and it can detect the one you want by proximity and do whatever batch actions you need. Although you could do actions like that on the machine if you are next to it, it would be easier from the iPad. If you had a cache of apps to install, it could store them on an iPad with enough storage and put them over wifi direct.

Apple uses the Mini as an example device for the server software at present so they clearly see that as one of the Mini's main roles:

https://www.apple.com/osx/server/servers-made-easy/

but like I say, only they know the volume of users actually using this and how many use it on a Mac Mini.
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Apple clearly doesn't want me to spend $1500 on a fully loaded Mac mini tower, they would much rather me buy a $3000 Mac Pro which exceeds my needs.

They want you to buy a Macbook Pro or iMac, which are in that price range and offer quad i7s with good GPUs and support dual displays.
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The only thing I regretted when purchasing my 13" rMBP last year was that it didn't come with 16GBytes of RAM at the price point I could afford. With a few apps open the 8GBytes it did come with gets almost completely used up! I didn't know Mac's were such memory hogs! Being a former Windows user that is (who's glad he switched anyway).

I've got a 16GB MacBook Pro and I'm only using about half of that. I guess it depends on the kind of apps you run?

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I am biting at the bit.... in hopes of the 12"... the rumours all point to what I really need... just hope reality meets some of those expectations. 

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A question: I bought a new 15" retina from an Apple store on Saturday when I first arrived in the US for a three-week trip. Will Apple allow me to exchange it for an updated model if they end up updating them this week or next? I've unpacked the computer and used it briefly.
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The Mini has never been designed to serve as a workstation.  Workstation being defined as a machine where you create products/deliver services which can be be sold for profit or exchanged for wages.

 

Oh oh, I better tell the radio people upstairs to dump those new Pro Tools suites they just installed. They're all running on minis! I wonder if they know they're no good?

 

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Apple is also expected to achieve an exceptionally thin design with a new click-less trackpad and fewer inputs and outputs.

 

 

"Fewer inputs and outputs?!" Fewer than what an Air has NOW? What're they gonna do, remove some of the keys?

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A question: I bought a new 15" retina from an Apple store on Saturday when I first arrived in the US for a three-week trip. Will Apple allow me to exchange it for an updated model if they end up updating them this week or next? I've unpacked the computer and used it briefly.

 

Probably. Don't they have a seven day return policy?

 

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I like the Mac Mini and it was at one point my favorite machine in the lineup but portables are the way forward. The Retina MBP is IMO the best machine Apple currently makes. When the Air chips reach the CPU/GPU level of performance found in the current MBP in a fanless design and they manage full day battery life in a 14" or 15" form factor, I will consider that to be their best computer, even though the MBP would have a faster CPU/GPU option.

 

I totally get Apple's portables driving their computer business.  But they've been making the OS X laptops thinner and lighter so regularly that it really seems as if the thinness and light weight of the MBPs have, or soon will, reach the point where they just can't make the best machine with that ever shrinking profile as a priority.   The Mini, OTOH, can be a box of 2 inches more or 4 oz heavier and it won't matter, but you've gotten an important piece of board in there.  Obviously, most of the parts keep getting more efficient and smaller, but that's not a predictable timeline.  

 

The Mini has always seemed like a perfect opportunity to not be tied to the sleekness/space/power/heat tail chasing.  I wish Apple would let the Airs be the lightest imaginable and stop being concerned about the thickness of the MBP, and let the Mini be part of all of these upgrades that everything else gets.  Maybe it's not sexy enough to be on their schedule, and it would lower their sexy image overall.  

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