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Originally Posted by cali View Post
comparing a phone that completely ripped off iPhone's design, OS and features.

 

Well, not in this case. Microsoft did the legal thing and licensed the Apple patents they wanted to use. For once in their existence.

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I always find these ads ironic.

comparing a phone that completely ripped off iPhone's design, OS and features.

It's frustrating that people don't see this.

You mean that people don't admit it.

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I always find these ads ironic.

comparing a phone that completely ripped off iPhone's design, OS and features.

It's frustrating that people don't see this.

 

What I find frustrating is seeing something Apple started and essentially OWNED being surpassed by competing products. It doesn't matter if Apple did it first. It's completely irrelevant to the experience of someone buying a phone NOW. Oldsmobile was the first to market with an automatic transmission, meaning every other car that offers that feature copied Oldsmobile in some way. Does that affect your car-buying decisions?

 

Of course Siri is just one feature among many and there are still lots of reasons to choose an iPhone over competing devices, but I still HATE watching any horse pass the one I'm betting on!

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I just tried exactly what the guy in the commercial asked Siri and Siri responded with my reminder. I can't be sure if it works until my wife calls me but Siri did not reject or misunderstand my command like in the commercial.

Same here.
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Originally Posted by jkichline View Post
 

I just had Siri set a reminder to tell my wife Happy Anniversary tomorrow. Worked perfectly. Not sure what Microsoft is smoking. Must have Balmer trying to speak into it... Siri only understands human, not monkey.

"tomorrow" isn't the same as "next time we speak" though is it.  Not actually sure what MS means by "next time we speak", but it could be a reminder if your wife were to call, or you were to call here, or even if you were in the same geofence location.  I have Cortane on a work phone, and I quite like it, it does *some* things (and not others) that Siri cannot, but it's not substantially better or worse.  Let's talk when it's properly available in non dev preview and iOS8 is also on the table, then we can compare.  MS is suffering from loser syndrome, whereby you cannot promote your own stuff without referring to others.

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"tomorrow" isn't the same as "next time we speak" though is it.  Not actually sure what MS means by "next time we speak", but it could be a reminder if your wife were to call, or you were to call here, or even if you were in the same geofence location.  I have Cortane on a work phone, and I quite like it, it does *some* things (and not others) that Siri cannot, but it's not substantially better or worse.  Let's talk when it's properly available in non dev preview and iOS8 is also on the table, then we can compare.  MS is suffering from loser syndrome, whereby you cannot promote your own stuff without referring to others.

 

Good post and accurate portrayal of Microsoft's current state of affairs. They have lost all semblance of leadership. It saddens me to see all that untapped potential just sitting around waiting for the next tidbit of direction from competitors to lead them to their next "innovation." Unless they come up with some original ideas and marketable products the next few years are going to be a continuous death march and forced attrition for Microsoft's employees. The house of cards is crumbling.

post #47 of 86
Microsoft seems to be under the impression that consumers will care enough about ..... "Cortana"... is it(?).... to then care enough about Windows Phone.

There's a reason the platform still has barely any traction after four years on the market, and it isn't because it more than makes up for it in profit and record sales.
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Originally Posted by Lorin Schultz View Post

What I find frustrating is seeing something Apple started and essentially OWNED being surpassed by competing products. It doesn't matter if Apple did it first. It's completely irrelevant to the experience of someone buying a phone NOW. Oldsmobile was the first to market with an automatic transmission, meaning every other car that offers that feature copied Oldsmobile in some way. Does that affect your car-buying decisions?

Of course Siri is just one feature among many and there are still lots of reasons to choose an iPhone over competing devices, but I still HATE watching any horse pass the one I'm betting on!
We should be welcoming competition as it will make Apple's products better in the long run. Siri was announced in 2011 and we still don't have 3rd party support. I can tell Siri to open Spotify but if ask her to play a song from my playlist she says she can't find it because the only thing she can search is the music app. I would love to see Siri completely blow Google Now and Cortana out of the water. Surely Apple has the talent to do that. The question is where Siri is on their priority list.
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Microsoft seems to be under the impression that consumers will care enough about ..... "Cortana"... is it(?).... to then care enough about Windows Phone.

There's a reason the platform still has barely any traction after four years on the market, and it isn't because it more than makes up for it in profit and record sales.
Even Brian Hall (who writes for Techpinions and is a huge Windows Phone supporter) thought this ad was bad. I can't stand Google but at least they're not obsessed with Apple in their ads the way Samsung and Microsoft are. It's almost as if these ads are designed to get page views on tech sites and incite fanboy flame wars in the comments section.
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Any Men should remember the Anniversary, and don't use his Mobile to remind him...
3 reasons to this logic:
1- if he don't do it at wake up: He is going to be in trouble
2- if his wife discover he is using his mobile to remember: He is going to be in trouble
3- If he wait for his wife to call to say Happy anniversary: He won't have a nice evening!!!


Remember?  Without something to point it out? 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  That's a good one!

 

A better solution is to pick a wife who isn't obsessive about past events.  Or at least one who has the good sense to understand that you're going to forget them, and remind you herself.

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Even Brian Hall (who writes for Techpinions and is a huge Windows Phone supporter) thought this ad was bad. I can't stand Google but at least they're not obsessed with Apple in their ads the way Samsung and Microsoft are. It's almost as if these ads are designed to get page views on tech sites and incite fanboy flame wars in the comments section.


I don't understand the Google hate.  They have BY FAR the best search engine, and they're not really competing with Apple at all.  (Maps don't count, Apple's maps app is garbage compared to Google maps, there's no competition there.)

 

But of course Microsloth is going to attack Apple, they're still trying to break into a market that Apple dominates, and they're having far less success than the last time they did that back in 1981.

 

Now, if Apple could get their act together on business computing, they could eat Microsloth's lunch there too - everybody hates Windoze 8, but that opportunity is fading fast, it'll be gone once Windoze 9 comes out.

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She has a great set of memmary modules. 1wink.gif

And I bet the docking station is pretty good too!
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post #53 of 86
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Microsoft seems to be under the impression that consumers will care enough about ..... "Cortana"... is it(?).... to then care enough about Windows Phone.

There's a reason the platform still has barely any traction after four years on the market, and it isn't because it more than makes up for it in profit and record sales.

Exactly, it's not as if there are many consumers to even care, I always have to get my reading glasses or a magnifying glass for pie charts about mobile OS distribution to find Microsoft! 1biggrin.gif
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post #54 of 86

Please.  It's bad enough that Microsoft sexed up a hologram in a video game, don't justify their bad taste with juvenile sniggering.

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We should be welcoming competition as it will make Apple's products better in the long run. Siri was announced in 2011 and we still don't have 3rd party support. I can tell Siri to open Spotify but if ask her to play a song from my playlist she says she can't find it because the only thing she can search is the music app. I would love to see Siri completely blow Google Now and Cortana out of the water. Surely Apple has the talent to do that. The question is where Siri is on their priority list.

As I have said many times, normally I'd agree with the premise, but Apple has never needed external competition to innovate and just be great. To paraphrase a famous guy, 'it's in their DNA.'
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post #56 of 86
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Further, you risk insulting the client. If you denigrate the competition, and the client LIKES the competition's product, you've just insulted their taste.

I agree. This kind of ad is good: if the competition really does have a better feature, it forces you to get it too, and better. If the claims are false, they make the competition look bad. In either case, just the fact that your competition has to make it look like they're better than you makes you look good.
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Further, you risk insulting the client. If you denigrate the competition, and the client LIKES the competition's product, you've just insulted their taste.

Normally I'd agree with the concept there, but I've enjoyed insulting the taste of any PC user since the 1980's. Sometimes the truth is best even if it hurts. 1biggrin.gif
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post #58 of 86
Sad sad sad. Seriously, who is actually checking MS. This is way too late and way too lame.
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Originally Posted by r4d4 View Post

I get it that people make fun of MS trolling apple, but MS gets the win on this one.
Siri is still the same as it was 3 years ago. 
Speaking of trolling ... Clearly you were wrong about your hyperbolic claim.

If you're such a happy user of Cortana, how would you know what Siri is capable of? What's more, this commercial reeks of a MS focus group dissecting Siri and looking for anything they can target that Siri currently doesn't do. The question I have after years of being subjected to MS in the workplace, is how well does Cotana stack up to Siri in the areas Siri does well? My overall impression of Siri is that it's not perfect, but Apple continually improves the technology for those tasks I need it to routinely do well, and saves the bells and whistles for down the line. MS, like Samsung tends to focus on the bells and whistles without actually making sure the core software is bullet-proof, because what else are they going to compete with Apple on?

Siri is far from perfect, but I have found it reliable, or at least predictable in its limitations. Can Cortana make the same claim? Based on my experience with Windows, I'd doubt it. Cortana might correctly remind me to buy flowers the next time I pass the nearest flower shop, but what good does it do me if the phone crashes trying to do it?
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Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

How many people here have actually used Cortana? I haven't so I can't speak to it. But I do like that 3rd parties have access to it (wish Siri has that). Competition is good, especially if it ends up improving Siri in the end. I'd love to see a true competitor to Google Now and would rather it be Siri than something else.

Edit: offline processing would be nice (where possible). I think Google Now has this capability.

I have and as a one of the few who actually owns and enjoys their Windows Phone, a Nokia 1020, I can defiantly say it works fairly well. However, as far as actually using it on a daily basis, no way, but I wouldn't use Siri either, I find the hold idea of giving my phone verbal commands apserd.

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post #61 of 86
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I have and as a one of the few who actually owns and enjoys their Windows Phone, a Nokia 1020, I can defiantly say it works fairly well. However, as far as actually using it on a daily basis, no way, but I wouldn't use Siri either, I find the hold idea of giving my phone verbal commands apserd.

It may see absurd to you in your situation but if you saw my wife driving clients around and being able to get Siri to do research for her, get directions and answer trivia questions clients ask about the area ( like ...'so how many hurricanes have there been here in the last 50 years?') you'd be amazed, especially as it is all hands free through the interface in her Lexus. She can't even comprehend how she managed in the dark ages, pre Siri. Then again, she isn't 'giving her phone verbal commands' so much as enlisting it as an assistant.
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It may see absurd to you in your situation but if you saw my wife driving clients around and being able to get Siri to do research for her, get directions and answer trivia questions clients ask about the area ( like ...'so how many hurricanes have there been here in the last 50 years?') you'd be amazed, especially as it is all hands free through the interface in her Lexus. She can't even comprehend how she managed in the dark ages, pre Siri. Then again, she isn't 'giving her phone verbal commands' so much as enlisting it as an assistant.

Maybe I should try using mine to answer those questions that I always wanted answers too as well, let's see, Cortana, how big is Liam Nesson's penis, wow your right, very helpful.
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Maybe I should try using mine to answer those questions that I always wanted answers too as well, let's see, Cortana, how big is Liam Nesson's penis, wow your right, very helpful.

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The other feature is an improvement on location based reminders - yes, Siri does do those - but, not like Cortana.  For instance, if you were to tell Cortana to remind you to pick up milk next time you were near a Walmart, she will let you not only pick a particular store - but, you can also just say any and then it will pop up no matter what Walmart you are near. 

 

Interestingly, this function is within iOS. I use a couple of apps that tie into Passbook, and I get notified of deals and have my store card at the ready whenever I am in one of their stores. Walgreen's, for example, had me set a home store, but it had a coupon on my lock screen when I was in another Walgreen's store one day.

If Siri isn't making full use of it yet, it's likely because Apple is still improving the function and doesn't feel it is fully ready for primetime (at least to be system wide rather than just within Passbook, perhaps?) Also, there are a number of things coming in iOS 8 -- such as being able to handoff documents and make calls from the computer and such -- which imply a lot more robust location handling. Should all be interesting!

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ain't it funny?

Lumia is a cheap knockoff of iPhone.

Cortana is named after a character from Halo, a Microsoft exclusive which was created by Steve Jobs and Apple and later purchased from them.
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Originally Posted by cali View Post
Cortana is named after a character from Halo, a Microsoft exclusive which was created by Steve Jobs and Apple and later purchased from them.


Ah, wait, hang on. I can’t remember anything from Steve Jobs’ history that had him in charge of Bungie (or associated therewith) at any point. Bungie made games exclusively for the Mac (Marathon, et. al.), and they were purchased by Microsoft (after announcing Halo for Mac OS), but I don’t think Steve had anything to do with it.

 

Incidentally, the original plan for Halo was for it to be an open world game (that’s how it was announced initially), with the entire bishop ring itself explorable. If you could see it, you could get there.

 

I WANT THAT GAME. THAT’S A SPECTACULAR IDEA FOR A GAME. I think we have the capability now–both in algorithms and in processing power–for it to happen.

 

I also wonder how different the last decade would have been in marketshare had Bungie stuck with Apple and Halo had been a Mac exclusive.

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ain't it funny?

Lumia is a cheap knockoff of iPhone.

Cortana is named after a character from Halo, a Microsoft exclusive which was created by Steve Jobs and Apple and later purchased from them.

Halo was created by Bungie, Apple nor Steve Jobs had anything to do with its development. Yes, Bungie started out making Mac only games like Marathon and was even producing Halo for the Mac platform before being bought out but in no part of it's development was Apple actually involved. Where did you even get that from and the Nokia Lumia is probably one of the few phone lines on the market that is nothing like an iPhone down to the OS it runs. Cheap knock off, have you ever used one, the things are built like tanks.

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Aaaaahhhh you beat me by 5 

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Ah, wait, hang on. I can’t remember anything from Steve Jobs’ history that had him in charge of Bungie (or associated therewith) at any point. Bungie made games exclusively for the Mac (Marathon, et. al.), and they were purchased by Microsoft (after announcing Halo for Mac OS), but I don’t think Steve had anything to do with it.

 

Incidentally, the original plan for Halo was for it to be an open world game (that’s how it was announced initially), with the entire bishop ring itself explorable. If you could see it, you could get there.

 

I WANT THAT GAME. THAT’S A SPECTACULAR IDEA FOR A GAME. I think we have the capability now–both in algorithms and in processing power–for it to happen.

 

I also wonder how different the last decade would have been in marketshare had Bungie stuck with Apple and Halo had been a Mac exclusive.

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…and if you squint a little, I think you can see her Home Button.

That's more like a 'proximity sensor'. 1wink.gif
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That's more like a 'proximity sensor'. 1wink.gif

Is that the modern solution to a Chasity-belt.

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Is that the modern solution to a Chasity-belt.

At the very least the futuristic version.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
That's more like a 'proximity sensor'. 1wink.gif
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Is that the modern solution to a Chasity-belt.

 

It’s more a security feature. GlansID makes sure that not just anyone can...

 

All right; enough of that.

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Or, you know... maybe you should just remember your freaking Anniversary like a real man. Who needs to be reminded? Polygamists?

Exactly. And who is this man, that he needs to be reminded about his Anniversary the next time he talks to his wife? So he's obviously remembered the date, it's the Anniversary Day, he's lying next to his wife, yet he's worried he's going to forget about it in the next few minutes? Sounds as though he can't even remember his own name!
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Please.  It's bad enough that Microsoft sexed up a hologram in a video game, don't justify their bad taste with juvenile sniggering.

Come now. If I had your attitude, I would call myself an inexecrable, senseless-obstinate, potato finger.
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I just had Siri set a reminder to tell my wife Happy Anniversary tomorrow. Worked perfectly. Not sure what Microsoft is smoking. Must have Balmer trying to speak into it... Siri only understands human, not monkey.

They are talking about conditional reminder. It will not remind you at specified time, but when phone detects that you are talking with person you have set reminder for... which might happen at any time between now and somewhere in future.

I can think of few scenarios where this can be useful, but in general it is hardly make-it-or-break-it feature. However it is always nice to see that digital assistants are getting smarter in what they can understand and process. I don't expect that Siri and Google Now will remain locked with current features, too.
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I would like Siri to be this intelligent.

I use OmniFocus everyday and with that I can set locations to trigger, or a search for a "grocer" for example and then set the resolutions and whether arriving or leaving. Clearly iOS supports it, but Siri can't.

I'm sure it's just a matter of time but given that Apple can add extra features to Siri for things like this they have been a bit slow off the Mark in my opinion.
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Come now. If I had your attitude, I would call myself an inexecrable, senseless-obstinate, potato finger.

Thanks for raising the tone.  I'm not really sure how inexecrable can apply to a person, or what senseless-obstinate means when conjoined like that*, but I'll take potato finger as a compliment, since I love chips.

 

 

* obstinate about senselessness? That doesn't sound too bad

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Come now. If I had your attitude, I would call myself an inexecrable, senseless-obstinate, potato finger.
Thanks for raising the tone.

Not at all. I'm always happy to raise the tone.
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It’s more a security feature. GlansID makes sure that not just anyone can...

All right; enough of that.

hehehe dirty little boy…...
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Not at all. I'm always happy to raise the tone.

Tone deaf huh, what a shame.
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