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Apple on Tuesday updated its Apple TV set-top box with channels for two new content partners, adding one each for financial news powerhouse CNBC and entertainment network Fox -- though both require a cable subscription to access most content.




The CNBC channel will give bankers, investors, and those simply interested in capital markets one less reason to switch back to their cable box during the day, as the live stream is available for cable subscribers through the Apple TV. Specific segments from shows like Squawk Box are available outside of the paywall.

Fox Now, meanwhile, brings popular shows including Neil deGrasse Tyson's Cosmos reboot, Glee, and and 24: Live Another Day.

The update comes days after a report that Fox subsidiary FX would bring its own FXNOW content to Apple's living room puck. That change, which is said to include "Simpsons World," is tipped to debut within the next 12 months.

Apple has added a number of new content providers to the Apple TV recently despite the lack of a widely-anticipated hardware refresh. Among those to come on board in 2014 are ABC News, PBS Kids, Willow, History, Lifetime, A&E, and the ACC, while the iPhone maker brought its own iTunes Extras content to the device earlier this month.
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While I'm happy to have more content on ATV, channel navigation is getting out of hand ... The ATV couldn't be farther from Steve Jobs claims of having "cracked" the TV problem. Unless this is what Jobs had in mind, in which case he clearly "cracked" his head.

Apple needs to get serious about this before they add many more channels ...
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Luddites leaving potential additional money on the table (from people who might be willing to pay some nominal sum per view).

 

Also, the sign up process with Comcast from within AppleTV is so cumbersome and time-consuming that, even though I have a cable subscription, I do not even bother with these "you-need-to-sign-in-to-view-us" channels.

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While I'm happy to have more content on ATV, channel navigation is getting out of hand ... The ATV couldn't be farther from Steve Jobs claims of having "cracked" the TV problem. Unless this is what Jobs had in mind, in which case he clearly "cracked" his head.

Apple needs to get serious about this before they add many more channels ...

I completely agree. The VAST majority of these "channels" either 1) charge a monthly subscription fee, 2) are nothing but "junk" content like video clips instead of full episodes or live streaming, or 3) aren't available due to local market or service provider restrictions. It is becoming an annoying game of "Whack-A-Mole" to keep deleting these new channels are they pop up.

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The CNBC channel will give bankers, investors, and those simply interested in capital markets one less reason to switch back to their cable box during the day, as the live stream is available for cable subscribers through the Apple TV.
Or, you could turn it around and say that since I already get that stuff on the cable I have, there's no reason to switch back to my AppleTV during the day.

Honestly, TiVo is my workhorse appliance. I can watch both live and self-recorded content without switching anything. The only time the ATV comes on is to watch streamed Netflix movies. But even that is rare because the streamed offerings on Netflix suck compared to the DVD-by-mail offerings.

If ATV had DVR functionality and an interface and remote superior to TiVo's, it could become my go to device. Until then, it's just a"hobby."
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I completely agree. The VAST majority of these "channels" either 1) charge a monthly subscription fee, 2) are nothing but "junk" content like video clips instead of full episodes or live streaming, or 3) aren't available due to local market or service provider restrictions. It is becoming an annoying game of "Whack-A-Mole" to keep deleting these new channels are they pop up.

The interface is in dire need of rethinking for sure. That said I am simply inside the Netfix environment 95% of the time so rarely even see the Apple TV desk top as it were.
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Excited to see this.  My DirecTV contract expired recently and as I was moving, I didn't renew.  I have 2 tvs connected to antenna for local channels.  I also have them connected to Apple TVs and as I use a friends FIOS credentials, i'm able to watch everything I did before (except for Discovery).

 

Thank goodness for Apple TV and good friends.

 

Side note, the more I use Apple TV the more I love it.

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Or, you'll turn it around and say that since I already get that stuff on the cable I have, there's no reason to switch back to my AppleTV during the day.

Honestly, TiVo is my workhorse appliance. I can watch both live and self-recorded content without switching anything. The only time the ATV comes on is to watch streamed Netflix movies. But even that is rare because the streamed offerings on Netflix suck compared to the DVD-by-mail offerings.

If ATV had DVR functionality and an interface and remote superior to TiVo's, it could become my go to device. Until then, it's just a"hobby."

To mention DVR technology in the context of a streaming system seems, IMHO, like asking for running boards and horse pulling attachments on a car.
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Excited to see this.  My DirecTV contract expired recently and as I was moving, I didn't renew.  I have 2 tvs connected to antenna for local channels.  I also have them connected to Apple TVs and as I use a friends FIOS credentials, i'm able to watch everything I did before (except for Discovery).

Thank goodness for Apple TV and good friends.

Side note, the more I use Apple TV the more I love it.

Leaving aside the use of someone else's credentials, I had no idea you could run an Apple TV using OTA antennae. How does that work? I must be missing something here in the AD conversion area.
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Excited to see this.  My DirecTV contract expired recently and as I was moving, I didn't renew.  I have 2 tvs connected to antenna for local channels.  I also have them connected to Apple TVs and as I use a friends FIOS credentials, i'm able to watch everything I did before (except for Discovery).

 

Thank goodness for Apple TV and good friends.

 

Side note, the more I use Apple TV the more I love it.

 

Really.  Stealing cable. Really.

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The interface is in dire need of rethinking for sure. That said I am simply inside the Netfix environment 95% of the time so rarely even see the Apple TV desk top as it were.

Me, too. The ATV's Netflix interface is simple and speedy. The Netflix interfaces on my two "smart" TVs, Blu-Ray players, and TiVo boxes are SLOW, cluttered, not as intuitive, and clunky.

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Oh hell ya, I can get my Glee fix anytime I want now! /sarcasm
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Or, you could turn it around and say that since I already get that stuff on the cable I have, there's no reason to switch back to my AppleTV during the day.

Honestly, TiVo is my workhorse appliance. I can watch both live and self-recorded content without switching anything. The only time the ATV comes on is to watch streamed Netflix movies. But even that is rare because the streamed offerings on Netflix suck compared to the DVD-by-mail offerings.

If ATV had DVR functionality and an interface and remote superior to TiVo's, it could become my go to device. Until then, it's just a"hobby."

 

I have an awesome remote for ATV.  It's called my iPad or iPhone.  But I do agree the ATV remote could be better, and DVR would make it a killer device.  Especially if I could record my local programming through antenna.

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Leaving aside the use of someone else's credentials, I had no idea you could run an Apple TV using OTA antennae. How does that work? I must be missing something here in the AD conversion area.

 

Ah, that's just my poor typing skills.  I meant that I have the TVs connected to antenna, and also connected to an ATV.  Apologies.

And yeah, I know what you mean on the credentials, too.  But she's a good friend and I buy her coffee & such here and there, and she doesn't mind my using it.  She doesn't have any iDevices so it'd be a waste if I didn't use them ;-)

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Really.  Stealing cable. Really.

I read it as he used the credentials (user / pass) to gain access but connected via OTA! I agree that is impossible and he must have meant how you read it and worded it badly. Maybe 'credentials' have another meaning in that neck of the woods! 1biggrin.gif

Edit: OK he explained 1smile.gif
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Really.  Stealing cable. Really.

 

 

If I'm paying my friend or buying gifts here and there, I could argue that I'm not stealing.  But it isn't the point, it works for both of us.

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I have an awesome remote for ATV.  It's called my iPad or iPhone.  But I do agree the ATV remote could be better, and DVR would make it a killer device.  Especially if I could record my local programming through antenna.

Ah, that's just my poor typing skills.  I meant that I have the TVs connected to antenna, and also connected to an ATV.  Apologies.


And yeah, I know what you mean on the credentials, too.  But she's a good friend and I buy her coffee & such here and there, and she doesn't mind my using it.  She doesn't have any iDevices so it'd be a waste if I didn't use them ;-)

OK gotchya. : I just hope the cable company are understanding.

Your friend isn't Mila Kunis by any chance is she? 1biggrin.gif
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It seems these kinds of additions are popping up because they are inexpensive and easy for apple to do. It really can't take more than a few minutes of coding, and the content deal is essentially what the provider would offer a cable company.

The interface needs work, and there still is little to offer a cable cutter. Meaning...no real revenue model.
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It seems these kinds of additions are popping up because they are inexpensive and easy for apple to do. It really can't take more than a few minutes of coding, and the content deal is essentially what the provider would offer a cable company.

The interface needs work, and there still is little to offer a cable cutter. Meaning...no real revenue model.

1biggrin.gif Yep, Apple TV is a real looser ..../s http://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2014/02/28/apple-tv-revenue-hit-over-1b-in-2013/
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Your friend isn't Mila Kunis by any chance is she? 1biggrin.gif

 

I cannot confirm or deny.  ;-)

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I cannot confirm or deny.  ;-)

LMAO
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Really.  Stealing cable. Really.

He's only 'borrowing' it. lol.gif
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While I'm happy to have more content on ATV, channel navigation is getting out of hand ... The ATV couldn't be farther from Steve Jobs claims of having "cracked" the TV problem. Unless this is what Jobs had in mind, in which case he clearly "cracked" his head.

Apple needs to get serious about this before they add many more channels ...
I'm hoping we see a new ATV this fall with a new interface. Even if Apple's grand designs with Apple TV aren't ready they could still updated it so the competition doesn't get so far ahead.
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God, when will we get a single login for all these channels? It's such a pain doing it one at a time...
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Yay, another couple of channels to hide.

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Really.  Stealing cable. Really.

Being completely transparent- I use my parent's account's log-in and I recently cut the cord several months ago.  I started paying their portion of my Cellphone bill, and in return, I use their log-in credentials.  It wasn't that I couldn't afford cable- I mean- with the combo promo that U-Verse had with my internet, it was maybe $35/month to add most channels.  But it was more a matter of me not wanting to just have the TV on for no good reason- which I found myself doing.  Bored on a saturday? Just flip on HGTV.  My viewing is now deliberate- and I bought the latest Mad Men season via iTunes instead of just viewing it with cable like I used to.

 

I call it "sharing" ;)

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I call it "borrowing" 1wink.gif

Hey you stole my line. I'm suing. 1wink.gif

Edit: I see you changed it to 'sharing'. I called off the pitbull lawyers.
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Psst: You can get CNBC for free and without a cable subscription with the Ameritrade Trader app on iOS. It even works with a cellular connection. Video quality is low but so its its bandwidth usage. I don't think you even need an Ameritrade account to use it.
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Hey you stole my line. I'm suing. 1wink.gif

Edit: I see you changed it to 'sharing'. I called off the pitbull lawyers.

I read yours after I wrote it and thought "What would Samsung do?"  Then I changed it.  :)

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Stealing cable is a crime.  Using someone else's credentials is stealing.  Sneaking into a movie theater is a crime as well.  Now, you can argue that none of these actions actually cost the cable provider any significant $$, but that doesn't make it less illegal.  

 

That being said, I have absolutely ZERO intention of ever purchasing a cable package, so these new channels are completely useless to me.  I wish that AppleTV would have a way to purchase subscriptions based on the Apple ID instead of some third party package.  Until that happens, there's no chance of me ever getting these channels.

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If I'm paying my friend or buying gifts here and there, I could argue that I'm not stealing.  But it isn't the point, it works for both of us.

It is stealing. It does not matter if you are paying your friend. Its between you and the cable company not you and your friend. Thanks for raising prices for the rest of the honest subscribers.
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Being completely transparent- I use my parent's account's log-in and I recently cut the cord several months ago.  I started paying their portion of my Cellphone bill, and in return, I use their log-in credentials.  It wasn't that I couldn't afford cable- I mean- with the combo promo that U-Verse had with my internet, it was maybe $35/month to add most channels.  But it was more a matter of me not wanting to just have the TV on for no good reason- which I found myself doing.  Bored on a saturday? Just flip on HGTV.  My viewing is now deliberate- and I bought the latest Mad Men season via iTunes instead of just viewing it with cable like I used to.

 

I call it "sharing" ;)

 

Cutting the cord certainly changes one's viewing habits, you're right.  

 

For myself, I realized some months ago that we were only watching shows that we could catch on prime time channels or Hulu Plus anyway. My kids never watch TV - they'll use Netflix or Hulu Plus.  So the decision was easy.  It was actually an afterthought about borrowing my friends' login info for a handful of 'channels' i can't get otherwise.  And if I can't find a channel (Discovery, looking at you) I buy what I want in iTunes.

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It is stealing. It does not matter if you are paying your friend. Its between you and the cable company not you and your friend. Thanks for raising prices for the rest of the honest subscribers.

 

No problem.  I certainly hope you don't use any friends' wifi, do you?

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If I'm paying my friend or buying gifts here and there, I could argue that I'm not stealing.  But it isn't the point, it works for both of us.

Actually, you're stealing your friends identity.

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Actually, you're stealing your friends identity.

 

How is it stealing her identity if she gives me her password?  Some of you folks are silly.  It's an arrangement between friends.

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all in all, this is the first step in building a 'ala carte' internet delivery system.   First work out the delivery and staging bugs.   Cable is paying for the content now, and has regional/municipal exclusivity rights for people living in those locales.  As those contracts are renegotiated, the need for having a cable contract to view what is currently on cable channels will be reduced, and you'll pay with your AppleID on a per view basis (likely a rental/season pass sort of thing), or at least get access without a cable countract after the 'first view period' is up.

 

An in the interim, Apple is building up the content and (hopefully) building out these ATV channels to a standard that fits into the 'future' UI that is searchable and personalizable.

 

Look at the long view people.   These are good things happening...

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No problem.  I certainly hope you don't use any friends' wifi, do you?


Stop trying to justify your criminal ways by deflecting your guilt.

 

My contract with the ISP allows for wifi use in my home and surround area.

Your's is a totally different situation.  If you are roommates fine.  But you are living in SEPARATE HOUSES!

 

 

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How is it stealing her identity if she gives me her password?  Some of you folks are silly.  It's an arrangement between friends.

 

So is stealing money from a bank.

It was an arrangement between friends: Bonnie and Clyde.

Get it through your head:  Its not about you and your friend.  Its about you and the cable company.  Its not like buying a Pizza.  You can share it if you want.  Your friend is buying usage rights limited to her house or her personal devices.  These are license rights not property rights that she purchased.

 

I can't believe you can't see that thief is involved.  Just man up and admit it and move on.

 

Also the cable company may be able to go after you if your friend defaults on her cable bill.  They know exactly where the login takes place and can easily claim that you were using the service in your home and bill you for use.

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Stop trying to justify your criminal ways by deflecting your guilt.

My contract with the ISP allows for wifi use in my home and surround area.
Your's is a totally different situation.  If you are roommates fine.  But you are living in SEPARATE HOUSES!


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So is stealing money from a bank.

It was an arrangement between friends: Bonnie and Clyde.

 

I can't believe you can't see that thief is involved.  Just man up and admit it and move on.

 

You're welcome to define it any way you choose, I've nothing to admit.  I watch 50% of my TV on the local channels/affiliates.  The other 40% on Hulu/Netflix.  The remaining 10%, a friend shares her access with me.  I'm satisfied with the results. 

Your example of Bonnie and Clyde doesn't make sense.  If Bonnie had a bank account and shared her money with Clyde, that would be more applicable.  But then it isn't stealing, either.

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You're welcome to define it any way you choose, I've nothing to admit.  I watch 50% of my TV on the local channels/affiliates.  The other 40% on Hulu/Netflix.  The remaining 10%, a friend shares her access with me.  I'm satisfied with the results. 

Your example of Bonnie and Clyde doesn't make sense.  If Bonnie had a bank account and shared her money with Clyde, that would be more applicable.  But then it isn't stealing, either.

 

You really don't know who Bonnie and Clyde is?

 

They robbed banks.  But they split the money.  They had an arrangement to compensate for labor.  But that does not make it right.  No one cares about your 'arrangement' with your friend.  Bottom line is you are getting cable access without paying the cable company. PERIOD.  Go ahead call up the cable company and see if they allow what you are doing?  Oh, you won't.  Because you know its illegal.

 

Just use your brain.  What if your friend gave her password to 10 people?  or 100 people?  or 1000 people?  You really think that is legal?  Really?  Are you really that amoral you can't see stealing cable from the CABLE COMPANY is wrong?

 

Easy solution?  Move in with your friend if you are so hard up for money.

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