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And for those that just don't underatand, there will never be a "mid range" tower in between the mini and the Mac pro. Price wise, it would undercut the iMac and Apple would much much much rather sell you one of those.

 

I'd beg to differ.

 

Apple's vision of the desktop computer is translated in the Mac Pro: the computer as a central brain. The “everything crammed into one computer” model is going away according to Apple. 

In return you get a computer that is easy to iFixit ;) and much better to recycle. You don't have to throw away a good functioning screen when your computer is dead. I actually see no future for the iMac. It is neither sustainable* nor practical**.

Here's hoping the new mac mini will be thermos flask shaped. In silver grey. And yes, a maxed out mac mini could be the equivalent of a mid range tower.

 

 

(*) I am still using my ten year old 20" Cinema Display, hooked up with a 2011 mac mini at home.
(**) The mac mini is super portable. I take it with me to my coworking office and hook it up to a big screen. It makes me super productive.


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In 2007 I started watching Apple for Mac Mini updates. It didn't happen until late 2008. Every refresh of the Mini has been disappointing. When the form factor change happened it was interesting but the chips were still only coming up to match what other manufacturers already had out for many months. If history repeats it will be the same way again. Though it is time for the Thumderbolt 2 connector to make its debut in the Mini. Will they put a quad-core chip in the base model? We'll see.

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OS X, is a wonderful OS, but it's only available on weak systems, systems that because of Intel Graphics have not been terribly capable. This problem extends to the new Mac Pro in that the graphics can never be upgraded.

If the Mini isn't beefy enough, why don't you simply buy a Mac Pro?
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, do not ruin this machine too by making it a little thinner and removing functionality and upgradability.   It is small enough, just put Haswell in it and thunderbolt 2.  Leave the form factor and functionality.

 

You have enough money Apple, don't take another money grab by forcing everyone to buy your WAY WAY WAY overpriced upgrades.

 

I wouldn't worry about that. It looks to me like Apple had plans for a Broadwell redesign and Intel messed them up. That's the only reason I can think of for waiting this long to finally refresh the Mini.

 

The 'mid-2014' Mini will probably have the same form factor.

 

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And for those that just don't underatand, there will never be a "mid range" tower in between the mini and the Mac pro. Price wise, it would undercut the iMac and Apple would much much much rather sell you one of those.

 

Yep.

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Hopefully if they do come out with a new MM it will be the same size as the old ones and not smaller yet.Faster processor also.

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And it does that almost silently.

To me it is silent, I can hear the ceiling fan not the Mac Pro, and doesn't even get hot. Quite amazing.
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We run Avid Nitris on HP hardware. No problem with horsepower or speed at all.

I threatened to quit if they tried switching Pro Tools to Windows, but not because the HP workstations are inadequate. They're not.

That is a dedicated system hardware add on and I believe for Mac or PC, and very nice. The nMac Pro though, is an off the shelf, straight out of the box kind of thing. That was my point, which is pretty remarkable.

I've had my fair share of third party systems in Macs going back to the days of Radius when i beta tested versions of EditDV and used to email back and forth with Randy Ubillos (my hero) who wrote the software. Then through Matrox 100 for several years. Now with FCPro X and Mac. Never has a stock Mac been this powerful for video editing in my experience let alone one that is silent and lukewarm while rendering real time ... and 4K too!
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Though it is time for the Thumderbolt 2 connector to make its debut in the Mini.

 

You're the third person I've seen mention a desire for a TB2 update on this forum in the last 24 hours. What is it you guys are doing that would benefit from what TB2 offers? What are you doing that exceeds the capability of TB1?

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To me it is silent, I can hear the ceiling fan not the Mac Pro, and doesn't even get hot. Quite amazing.

 

 

I had to throw a very complicated 3D scene at it... full of trees, bushes and flowers, all individual instances, not replicas.  Calculated indirect lighting, transparency, shadows, you name it I switched it on.  A full 1920x1080 image that took 5 hours to crank out (not my normal, I was just having fun!).  Only then did it raise the fan noise three or four times so that it was noticeable over the AC on the wall (in Japan we use single room slim types), which was set on quiet but can be heard.  

 

Seriously, this baby is a work-horse.

 

I can only imagine tossing the same image at my Mac mini.  It would probably have blasted into orbit within an hour.

 

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My 2011 MacMini with SSD works well in my home theater, but my TV monitor is now 4k and the MacMini is not. It seems more than a little bizarre to buy another MacPro to use for mainly TV watching. How about a white MacMini using the same case as the MacPro with i7 Haswell, PCI storage, and one decent graphics card that can output 4k. A loaded 2012 MacMini will run about $1500. A new MacMini could fit both above and below that amount. 

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That is a dedicated system hardware add on and I believe for Mac or PC, and very nice. The nMac Pro though, is an off the shelf, straight out of the box kind of thing. That was my point, which is pretty remarkable.

 

Yes, the Nitris is a dedicated DSP unit, but that wasn't what I meant. Sorry if I was unclear.

 

For a variety of reasons, our latest Nitris system runs on an HP workstation computer, not a Mac Pro. It's a very capable, powerful computer. A visit to HP's web site will give you an idea of both how well their workstation machine competes with the Mac Pro and how seriously HP takes our market.

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Yes, the Nitris is a dedicated DSP unit, but that wasn't what I meant. Sorry if I was unclear.

For a variety of reasons, our latest Nitris system runs on an HP workstation computer, not a Mac Pro. It's a very capable, powerful computer. A visit to HP's web site will give you an idea of both how well their workstation machine competes with the Mac Pro and how seriously HP takes our market.

How well does the HP workstation without any hardware add ons, just an NLE software package, handle 4K?
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Though it is time for the Thumderbolt 2 connector to make its debut in the Mini.

You're the third person I've seen mention a desire for a TB2 update on this forum in the last 24 hours. What is it you guys are doing that would benefit from what TB2 offers? What are you doing that exceeds the capability of TB1?

TB2 is the minimum for 4K display output. Some people are buying 4K displays. The lower sized ones are more affordable:

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Computer-UltraSharp-UP2414Q-23-8-Inch/dp/B00HALPPM0
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For a variety of reasons, our latest Nitris system runs on an HP workstation computer, not a Mac Pro. It's a very capable, powerful computer. A visit to HP's web site will give you an idea of both how well their workstation machine competes with the Mac Pro and how seriously HP takes our market.

HP's marketing page is funny. They have quotes like:

"Our Mac was taking twelve hours to render one of these like, ten second little graphics, and with our new Z Workstation, the first one we did, it rendered in two hours – at full resolution"

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/mac-to-z.html

Where they conveniently fail to mention that the Mac Pro they're talking about is a 2009 Mac Pro but put it in a subnote here:

http://h20195.www2.hp.com/V2/GetPDF.aspx%2F4AA5-0362ENW.pdf

"Comparisons based on rendering time with a legacy 2009 Mac Pro core compared with the current HP Z820 x core Workstation."

If you read the PDF, the main element in the switch to HP was what happened with Final Cut Pro. They didn't like transcoding media like you had to do with FCP7 so they went with Adobe software but the Adobe software runs on the Mac too and the new version of FCP doesn't require transcoding. Not only that they mention a 12-core HP machine with 48GB RAM but on the HP site, they go on about 24-cores and 512GB RAM, which is irrelevant because the spec they use is the same as the Mac. They have 12TB internal RAID, which is fair enough but all that media is stuck on one machine, the Mac Pro's setup means it can be shared very easily with other machines at full speed over TB2.

Even the visual effects case study, the guy here is talking about HP and their experience was using laptops, not the workstations:

http://cinemawithoutborders.com/cinema-tech/3478-from-mac-to-hp.html

He even said the laptops were the HP Elitebooks with 8-core or 12-core processors. You do get laptops with 12-core processors but I don't think HP sells them and Elitebooks especially are Ultrabooks. Yet he says they were doing things the Macs couldn't and it was just transcoding media - converting raw to DPX frames. It sounds like they were again coming from old Mac hardware.

The last guy with the Youtube videos was another FCP guy who switched to Adobe:

http://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/devin-super-tramp-achieves-extreme-youtube-success/

He moved to new hardware after transitioning to Adobe but his comparison point is a Retina Macbook Pro and an HP Z820 workstation:

"For years, I’ve been an Apple user however I was open to new hardware that could perform faster. Recently, I stepped into an HP Z820 system and found it performs faster than my current MacBook Pro Retina."

Duh. They wouldn't sell Mac Pros if the Retina MBPs were as fast as them.

As for the Nitris DX hardware, some guy here got it to work on iMacs:

http://community.avid.com/forums/t/123539.aspx

Avid can make an adaptor for it if they want but they aren't doing so well financially so it can't be expected of them.
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TB2 is the minimum for 4K display output.

Perhaps Apple is waiting on their own 4K UHD display to be ready before releasing the updated Mac mini.

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Buying my dad his first mac when the New Mac mini is released.  Such a great little machine. 

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How well does the HP workstation without any hardware add ons, just an NLE software package, handle 4K?

 

I have no idea, but since it can be ordered with Nvidia Quadro or Tesla graphics my *guess* would be that it's probably in the same league as the Mac Pro.

 

Check it out: http://www8.hp.com/ca/en/campaigns/workstations/z820.html

 

It doesn't come cheap, though. And it doesn't run OS X.

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TB2 is the minimum for 4K display output. Some people are buying 4K displays.

 

TB1 won't do 4K? Maybe my math is wrong, but it seems like it should handle it with room to spare.

 

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HP's marketing page is funny. They have quotes like: [snip]

 

You gotta wonder WHO thinks that kind of thing is a good idea? ESPECIALLY when they don't NEED to do that, because if you look at the specs and pricing it's obvious that the machines stand very well on their own merit. They deliver similar performance at similar cost, with the possible advantage of more flexible configuration options. Resorting to unrealistic comparisons undermines the credibility the hardware probably deserves.

 

I don't wanna sound like an apologist for HP, particularly when I prefer the Mac Pro myself, but I honestly couldn't fault anyone for choosing one if it was better suited to their particular application.

 

 

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TB1 won't do 4K? Maybe my math is wrong, but it seems like it should handle it with room to spare.

It can't. The total bandwidth of 20Gibps is fine, but it's only half that capacity, 10Gibps, for each direction, whereas TB2 bonds both channels so it can use the total bandwidth of 20Gibps for a single direction with DisplayPort 1.2 support. 3840 x 2160 with 24bpp at 60Hz is over 14Gibps of bandwidth just for display.

For this reason TB3 is important as it will double the bandwidth to 40Gibps which will allow for faster data daisy chained over the same cables when using a 4K display as well as an option for 240Hz. HDMI 2.0 also allows for 4K UHD at 60Hz since it offers 18Gibps where as HDMI 1.4 only allows 4K UHD at 30HZ, which is less than ideal.
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You gotta wonder WHO thinks that kind of thing is a good idea?

The kind of company that made a $12.6b loss in 2012 and currently makes about 1/10th Apple's net income. I don't know why Apple's their target though. Apple has decent marketshare at the high-end workstation level but Dell is a bigger competitor, especially when you consider server hardware. Maybe they're afraid the market will try and make them follow Apple's design route and they know they can't. Remember when Apple's mobile competitors went on about physical keyboards, Flash, decentralized app stores. They don't any more though. HP's just delaying the inevitable. It's for their own good too but they always go through the bitching and moaning first.
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ESPECIALLY when they don't NEED to do that, because if you look at the specs and pricing it's obvious that the machines stand very well on their own merit. They deliver similar performance at similar cost, with the possible advantage of more flexible configuration options.

That's the problem though, if you go toe to toe with Apple on spec and price, you're going to lose. The reason Apple can sustain the volume sales of their $650 flagship smartphone is because their brand has a reputation that is very difficult to match. If you have the choice between a PC and a Mac at the same price, most sane people would never buy the PC. Only people with a grudge to bear e.g 'wah, I didn't like the new FCP so I'm buying from HP now'.
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3840 x 2160 with 24bpp at 60Hz is over 14Gibps of bandwidth just for display.

 

I see where I made my calculation error now. I won't mention what it was it because it's embarrassing! Let's just say that 4K at one frame per second would work just fine over TB1.

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I see where I made my calculation error now. I won't mention what it was it because it's embarrassing! Let's just say that 4K at one frame per second would work just fine over TB1.

I did the same thing but knowing it needs TB2/DP1.2 I knew I made a mistake. After a couple grueling seconds the frame rate hit me.

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That's the problem though, if you go toe to toe with Apple on spec and price, you're going to lose.

 

They might, but if they do it won't be because their hardware is inferior. I don't imagine Apple realizes much economy of scale in the rarified workstation market of the Mac Pro, so it's probably easier for HP to compete on price there.

 

If one were curious it should be easy to build sample machines on each company's web site and see how they compare.

 

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If you have the choice between a PC and a Mac at the same price, most sane people would never buy the PC. Only people with a grudge to bear e.g 'wah, I didn't like the new FCP so I'm buying from HP now'.

 

Personal preference always plays some part in these decisions, but the bottom line for a business machine is choosing the one that does the job best, best integrates into existing infrastructure, and is the most cost-effective. When you consider that the major applications are all cross-platform (save for 3ds Max which is still Windows-only), as are the major collaboration tools, I don't see Apple having a distinct edge here. I can say from experience that using Pro Tools with Windows was essentially indistinguishable from using it with OS X aside from the close window button being on the opposite side.

 

 

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TB2 is the minimum for 4K display output. Some people are buying 4K displays. The lower sized ones are more affordable:

http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Computer-UltraSharp-UP2414Q-23-8-Inch/dp/B00HALPPM0

I like this one from NEC even more, and it's only $949

http://diglloyd.com/articles/Recommended/displayNEC-EA244UHD.html
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The Mini is popular where you need a Mac but it's not your primary machine.

 

So, there should be something strange with my job (publishing, music composition and sound design), since I've been doing it on a (very quiet) Mac mini for years.

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The Mini is popular where you need a Mac but it's not your primary machine.

So, there should be something strange with my job (publishing, music composition and sound design), since I've been doing it on a (very quiet) Mac mini for years.

That indeed was a strange stance: how can anyone state for for someone else? Otherwise Apple should state on their Store page that you can only buy a Mac Mini together with another model, or it's only for those who already have a working Mac, non Mac Mini.

Something like:

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I would love an i5 mini with Iris graphics mainly with a PCIe SSD though perhaps I should jump up to an i7 if it even comes out of course. Also it figures, just as I was losing hope Apple ropes me back in or at least the rumor sites do.
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If the Mini isn't beefy enough, why don't you simply buy a Mac Pro?
I really find such questions perplexing. Honestly do you not understand the massive performance differential between the Mini and the Mac Pro? When I look at the Mini I see a machine that is severly constrained by the devices thermal capabilities. This forces the quad core models into really slow clock rates. Build a mini that can accept quad core desktop chips of more than 45 watts and that problem goes away. Supplement that desktop chip with a middle of the road GPU and you have a nice machine that Apple can sell profitably for half the cost of a Mac Pro.

In a nut shell once you move beyond enters level performance the Mini is a terrible value and simply doesn't supply the user with the performance justified in the list price.
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I would love an i5 mini with Iris graphics mainly with a PCIe SSD though perhaps I should jump up to an i7 if it even comes out of course. Also it figures, just as I was losing hope Apple ropes me back in or at least the rumor sites do.

The best we can hope for is a release within a few weeks. I don't expect a spectacular update because I have to agree with another poster, Apple wanted to move to Broadwell and got screwed over by Intels delays. So any visions I had of a massive refactoring seem to have been squashed. This I'm expecting minor updates now in the same old box. It would be nice if I was wrong but hey you never know.

As to an i5, Id buy the machine most likely to remain viable for a long time. That is tough in the Mini because in the last the quad cores ran their CPUs rather slow. For longevity you really want a quad core. In a sense this is why I saw Broadwell as an ideal update path for the Mini as it effecitvely solves the power (thermal) problems and would allow for decent performance out of a quad core chip.

As for that Mini redesign I was getting into the idea of a flying saucer like machine the same diameter as the Mac Pro but not more than a couple of inches high. Make the platform stackable and things would be even more interesting. Imagine being able to stack up Minis in an interlocking tower with enoguh TB 2 ports to support TB2 links between Minis.
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If the Mini isn't beefy enough, why don't you simply buy a Mac Pro?
I really find such questions perplexing. Honestly do you not understand the massive performance differential between the Mini and the Mac Pro?

Of course I do. But when someone wants OSX and a Mini isn't 'capable' enough to do the job why moan about the model that they want while there are alternatives available? I wouldn't want to buy an iMac if a Mini wasn't capable because of the screen (matte enthusiast here) so I've always bought a Power Mac / Mac Pro because of that.

Sorry - I'm 'perplexed' and your 'perplexing state'.
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When I look at the Mini I see a machine that is severly constrained by the devices thermal capabilities. This forces the quad core models into really slow clock rates. Build a mini that can accept quad core desktop chips of more than 45 watts and that problem goes away. Supplement that desktop chip with a middle of the road GPU and you have a nice machine that Apple can sell profitably for half the cost of a Mac Pro.

That's not how this computer is designed. It's designed for 'switchers'. For 'average' and 'lightweight' users. Don't try to think for Apple in the way that you're doing now, which seems to be based on a preference. One that might be shared by many, but that isn't -to me- how they designed this little guy. It's an entry level model. You want more, they have the iMac, you want full power, with the ability to expand to your hearts' content? Get a Mac Pro. Don't forget the strategy Steve put out when he returned:



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When I look at the Mini I see a machine that is severly constrained by the devices thermal capabilities. This forces the quad core models into really slow clock rates. Build a mini that can accept quad core desktop chips of more than 45 watts and that problem goes away.
 

 

Yup. Just more Applerexia. Yet if one dares to suggest that Apple puts form over function, they are ridiculed and berated as a heretic.

 

What the hell difference does it make if it's an inch taller? Given a choice between it leaving slightly more empty space above it or having a more powerful computer, I'll go with the latter, thanks.

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The Mini is popular where you need a Mac but it's not your primary machine. It's perfect for iOS development/cross-development (eg with monogame/xamarin) and is reasonably powerful enough and portable enough to be used as a HTPC or taken to convention settings when there is power available.
The Mini is a lot better than you are implying. With a modern Intel chip it would be very competitive given the excellent OpenCL performance of the Iris GPUs.
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That said, the lack of OS X on more capable desktop/laptop hardware is often a deciding factor in what Mac or PC someone buys. I'm not terribly fond of the Apple Laptop designs, as I feel they are overly compromised (eg the macmini 2012 is more capable than all the 2014 13" Retina Macbook Pro and Macbook Air's), versus the desktops which undoubtly beat the mini. The Iris Pro graphics doesn't make up for the weaker dual-core designs.
The Mini is excellent for what it is, what Apple needs is a Midrange desktop that sits between the Mini and the Mac Pro performance and price wise. In fact I've been saying this for some time. I can see putting the Mini to use in a number of ways that don't involve being a primary machine. The Mini isnt a problem it is rather the missing midrange machine that makes Apple line up look pathetic.
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I have a desktop Windows machine that I'd drop in a heartbeat if I could get the same specs in a Macmini. It won't happen. The mini gets relegated to be development/backup system while the windows machine gets to be the primary development/steam-games system.
It is very easy to build a no name machine that will run circles around a Mini. That isn't relevant as it is Small Form Factor machine and as such should be judged against other small form factor machines.
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OS X, is a wonderful OS, but it's only available on weak systems, systems that because of Intel Graphics have not been terribly capable.
The IMac isn't bad performance wise if you an stomach an all in one. However SFF machines have never been noted for GPU performance so I don't know why you even bring the Mini up in that context.
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This problem extends to the new Mac Pro in that the graphics can never be upgraded.

You assume it can't be upgraded but the video cards in a Mac Pro are socketed. Beyond that it really doesn't make sense to upgrade a machine like the Mac Pro any more. Especially considering that the video cards can often be the largest part of a Mac Pro investment.

 

Apple introduced a midrange desktop in 1998; it's called the iMac, not to be confused with the IMac, which has never existed. I'm delighted to say that your search for a midrange desktop is over.

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Apple introduced a midrange desktop in 1998; it's called the iMac, not to be confused with the IMac, which has never existed. I'm delighted to say that your search for a midrange desktop is over.

 

Cute. Lemme respond in kind: Got anything for me?

 

One of mine sits next to the books on a shelf in the living room, connected to the TV via HDMI. There's just nowhere to PUT an iMac, or even a Mac Pro for that matter, even if we wanted to.

 

The other is in a little rack under a mixing console feeding one of the inputs of a dual-panel display wall. Also an application that doesn't lend itself well to the iMac form. Even if we could find space to shoehorn one under the console, it's not particularly cost effective to pay for a fancy display we won't use.

 

In the second application we *could* use a Mac Pro. I *could* also replace my 3-series with a Ferrari. Neither makes much sense when the alternative is three times the price and overkill for the application, though.

 

I think it's wonderful that Apple sells lots of All-In-Ones and laptops (which are also a form of "all-in-one"). I also think it's disappointing that they provide so little for those who are not well served by combo devices. Our choices are outdated entry level or expensive cutting edge.

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This is in jest:  But, but, but, you fail to realise that Apple always has everything perfectly thought out and that the iMac is perfect for you.  The problem is the stuff in your room, or maybe the room, or maybe the entire house.  Why don't you rebuild your house around the iMac that so suits your needs?  End of jest.

 

 

Seriously, different customers have different needs and desires and I think it would be very difficult for Apple to fulfil all of them (I can only imagine how fast they would go out of business if they designed the precise stuff I want).  That said, I see value in a slightly more capable mini that fits well in to various systems, including home entertainment ones.  Also sometimes I wish they would put function over form and move some of the darned USB ports to the front; it is a pain reaching around a 27" iMac on a crowded desk just to insert a cable or SD card. Ditto for minis in a cabinet.

 

I like the idea above of stackable minis that can be linked together as long as they have great heat dissipation.  Then it would be easy to expand a small render farm as money came available. Apple would have to come out with cables of the right (as in not too long) length to accomplish this, but it took them a year to push out a 0.5m Thunderbolt cable AFTER everyone had already bought the 2m one and put up with it.

 

If they had a Best option for the min that pushed it just shy of $2000 that would still be well under the Mac Pro and still not as capable as far as graphics.  

 

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post #75 of 142

Dream on buddy.

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Originally Posted by Bergermeister View Post Also sometimes I wish they would put function over form and move some of the darned USB ports to the front; it is a pain reaching around a 27" iMac on a crowded desk just to insert a cable or SD card. Ditto for minis in a cabinet.

 

 

I'd like to take the same design philosophy that Apple use for its computers and use it for their new spaceship campus building.

Every appliance in the break rooms would have the handles on the back. Let's see how they like using a fridge or microwave that way. All doors would have the handles on the side. Desk phones would have all the buttons on the back of the phone, let's see the secretary transfer calls quickly and easily that way.

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Dream on buddy.

 

They day I stop dreaming is the day I die.

 

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post #78 of 142

That is your opinion. I respect that.

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The mac mini is imho the best mac Apple has ever created: Small, affordable, quiet, elegant, you can use the monitor you want, and yet powerful enough for most hobby-applications or small-office-stuff.

 

I'm very glad that it will get a refreshment.

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The mac mini is imho the best mac Apple has ever created: Small, affordable, quiet, elegant, you can use the monitor you want, and yet powerful enough for most hobby-applications or small-office-stuff.

I'm very glad that it will get a refreshment.

I'm sure it will need one after all the hard work you put it through!
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