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Countering an earlier rumor that Apple would cull some 200 employees from Beats' roster, a report on Friday cites an Apple spokesperson and inside sources as saying the company is instead doing the opposite by extending job offers to keep everyone on board.



Citing sources familiar with the situation, Billboard reports Apple has extended job offers to all incoming Beats employees, refuting a rumor earlier this week that said some 200 people -- 40 percent of Beats' global workforce -- would be laid off as part of the assimilation.

"Every single person is going through Apple orientation, they're signing up for healthcare," one person said.

Apple spokesman Tom Neumayr issued a statement yesterday saying much the same.

"We're excited to have the Beats team join Apple, and we have extended job offers to every Beats employee," Neumayr said. "Because of some overlap in our operations, some offers are for a limited period and we'll work hard during this time to find as many of these Beats employees as we can another permanent job within Apple."

While no one was immediately axed, aside from "about five" performance-based firings, the publication says a "large number" of incoming Beats workers have been warned of possible termination that could take place in the next three months to a year. According to reports, those with "overlapping" roles are mainly in human resources, finance and legal departments.

Apple on Friday officially finalized a $3 billion deal to acquire Beats Electronics and Beats Music. A subsequent report claimed Beats Music CEO Ian Rogers will serve as the new head of iTunes Radio, to join Beats cofounders Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre in Cupertino.
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Whatever. Hey, it stinks to be laid off, but get serious... Does anyone really think Apple needs any of these employees?

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Whatever. Hey, it stinks to be laid off, but get serious... Does anyone really think Apple needs any of these employees?
I'm curious to know the makeup of Beats employees. Is it mostly people working on their music app do they have a bunch of engineers that worked on the hardware side? The hardware design was contracted out. I would think most Beats employees would be redundant.
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What's interesting is; I believe this is the first time I've heard the word "rumor" associated with this story in any way.
Just goes to show...
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Whatever. Hey, it stinks to be laid off, but get serious... Does anyone really think Apple needs any of these employees?

Does Apple need every single one of those people in the positions they are in now? Of course not, but I think a company in Apple's position, if they want to do the ethical thing, will offer positions to these 200 people from their acquisition. Imagine if Apple were to buy companies just to gut them and give everyone a pink slip. It would make look bad and it would kill a lot of loyal customers along the way. I think this action shows a social responsibly and if you create ill will it can slowly build and destroy you. These 200 people may have to accept positions at a lower wage, likely in a new position, and may have to relocate. That's the admirable thing to do and you get 200 employees that you have a history with already by way of Beats' HR. I'm glad Apple is doing this and I was shocked on the previous thread with the rumour of the cuts under Cook.

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What's interesting is; I believe this is the first time I've heard the word "rumor" associated with this story in any way.
Just goes to show...

Everything here is a basically a rumor unless it comes from an Apple press release or SEC filing.

 

Not an interesting detail at all.

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Good thing! people were worried the other day when the layoffs were reported on rumorinsider.com
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Whatever. Hey, it stinks to be laid off, but get serious... Does anyone really think Apple needs any of these employees?

 

The CEO of Beats Music is good enough to be put in charge of iTunes Radio.  Clearly, Apple thinks there is talent at Beats or they wouldn't have bought them in the first place.

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What's interesting is; I believe this is the first time I've heard the word "rumor" associated with this story in any way.
Just goes to show...

You are right! I do not recall any article saying this was a rumor.
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The CEO of Beats Music is good enough to be put in charge of iTunes Radio.  Clearly, Apple thinks there is talent at Beats or they wouldn't have bought them in the first place.

To be honest, none of us knows for certain what any of the behind the scenes activity is on this arrangement.

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``According to reports, those with "overlapping" roles are mainly in human resources, finance and legal departments.''

I wonder where I've read this before?
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They found around 200 people were redundant in their Beats position and removed them from that position. But offered them other jobs. That's more than many companies do. Especially for what are likely lower level positions.

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They found around 200 people were redundant in their Beats position and removed them from that position. But offered them other jobs. That's more than many companies do. Especially for what are likely lower level positions.
I don't know how it works in the US but in the Uk if there are other positions available that they are qualified to do they are obliged to give them the role
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They got give a short term temporary contract with a termination date.

Luckily the report of it gives them more hope of finding alternative employment, maybe even with Apple.
There is no refute.

Its is exactly as reported in the NY TImes.
http://nypost.com/2014/07/30/apple-pares-200-jobs-from-beats/
"“Because of some overlap in our operations, some offers are for a limited period and we’ll work hard during this time to find as many of these Beats employees as we can another permanent job within Apple.”"
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Well done, Apple; it must have been quite a feat to keep those Beats employees.
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Meanwhile in China: A lot of the 18,000 Microsoft layoffs were Nokia employees who manufactured handsets in China. Those employees are protesting Microsoft's move...things are getting ugly and Microsoft is being investigated by the big wigs... Pop corn vendors are raking in the sales.
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Whatever. Hey, it stinks to be laid off, but get serious... Does anyone really think Apple needs any of these employees?


Does anyone really think Apple needs anything else this company has?  The employees are probably the best part of the deal - well, except for the audio engineers, they need to be fired.

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Whatever. Hey, it stinks to be laid off, but get serious... Does anyone really think Apple needs any of these employees?

Are you actually saying there isn't one person among the Beats group that isn't worth continued employment from Apple? What kind of magic pedastool do you put Apple employees on. Beats must have some tallented software developers working for them or Apple would have just wrote their own streaming software instead of buying them out for 3 billion dollars, 3 billion dollars Spammy! Does anyone think Apple needs these employees, uhm yes, I would have thought that was more then apparent.
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Well done, Apple; it must have been quite a feat to keep those Beats employees.

Indeed, it would have been easier to have just got rid of them. However we really don't know what is happening behind closed doors, they could have been given tempory positions during the transition then quietly let go over time instead of doing it in one big swoop to prevent bad publicity.
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post #20 of 28
There really is a difference between the word "refute" and the word "dispute." What was meant here was "dispute," unless the author of this article is stating an omniscient judgement of the matter.
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There really is a difference between the word "refute" and the word "dispute." What was meant here was "dispute," unless the author of this article is stating an omniscient judgement of the matter.

It's you who needs the grammar lesson. 'Refute' is the correct word.
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post #22 of 28

You are wrong.

 

Refute means disprove by providing evidence.  Apple haven't done that (not that they need to or anyone is asking).  They've denied it, or they've disputed it, they haven't refuted it.

 

Also, it isn't grammar, it's semantics.

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You are wrong.

Refute means disprove by providing evidence.  Apple haven't done that (not that they need to or anyone is asking).  They've denied it, or they've disputed it, they haven't refuted it.

Also, it isn't grammar, it's semantics.

Grammar or semantics, you're quibbling over semantics.

You're wrong on all counts.
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post #24 of 28

Its show biz folks. Thats how it works and they are used to it. Nothing to see here.

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Grammar or semantics, you're quibbling over semantics.

You're wrong on all counts.

I didn't raise the quibble, and you responded to it.  Dismissing it as quibbling once you've been proved wrong is rather cowardly, and calling someone wrong without any supporting evidence doesn't mean anything.  You're disputing me, but you're not refuting me.  When you do that, I'll take you seriously.  

 

 

 

Here is the dictionary definition of refute: 

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  1. to prove to be false or erroneous, as an opinion or charge.
  2. to prove (a person) to be in error.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refute

 

Note the "to prove" part

 

 

 

Here is the dictionary definition of grammar:

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  1. the study of the way the sentences of a language are constructed; morphology and syntax.
  2. these features or constructions themselves: English grammar.
  3. an account of these features; a set of rules accounting for these constructions: a grammar of English.
  4. Generative Grammar . a device, as a body of rules, whose output is all of the sentences that are permissible in a given language, while excluding all those that are not permissible.
  5. prescriptive grammar.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/grammar?s=t

 

Note the absence of anything to do with the meaning of words.

 

 

 

QED, it is not me who is wrong on both counts.


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What's interesting is; I believe this is the first time I've heard the word "rumor" associated with this story in any way.
Just goes to show...

 

AppleInsider doesn't understand the difference.

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post #27 of 28
Corporations hate bad press so they like to look for loopholes. For all these Beats employees that Apple want to fire, Apple could very well have offered them a new position with much lower salary essentially forcing them out without the bad press...

During the financial crisis Goldman Sachs famously "accelerated" their 2-year analyst program to 1 year because the analysts showed "stellar performance" and they were basically out the door after 1 year. PR crap...
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My understanding is that since both companies were based in Ireland they are governed by EU employment laws that would prevent mass layoffs of employees for a certain period of time after the acquisition usually 18-24 months. My experience in the past shows this to be enforceable even if the employees are working in countries outside of the EU. 

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