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So much wrong in this comment.
1. iPhone MS isn't that large. They have a good, better, best already. Designing for everyone is designing for no one. Can't please everyone so don't waste time trying.
2. How was the 5C botched? It outsold what the 4S did last year.
3. Apple doesn't have a problem. Why would the plans change according to device?
4. Lots of people use their iPhones outdoors and have no problems. Sport version is a marketing gimmick.

My prediction is the 5.5" will come with a rainbow vomiting unicorn.

 

Agree with everything except for water resistance. The technology is already out there to coat PBCs with a water repellent film that doesn't affect normal operation or cooling. I wouldn't go so far as to market a "sports" model, nor to brag about "mil-spec" submersibility since this would require the use of awkward and easy to lose plastic covers for external ports (a la Samsung). Nonetheless, providing some degree of water resistance seems like a no-brainer as it would give users some peace of mind to use their devices when exposed to perspiration, an occasional rain shower or around damp, poolside environments.

 

If you agree with a rainbow-creating unicorn, I would have thought waterproof is more likely than water-resistant; it's got to survive a flood.

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post #82 of 93
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More proof that the 5.5 is coming on.

 

So obvious at this point.

 

Nope.

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It's not about price. Not everyone wants a phablet.

 

buy bigger pants or lose weight.

problem solved.

 

You got that the wrong way round; phablets are for the fat-fingered, the clumsy and the short-sighted.

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Bet you look great in your dad jeans.

 

 

 

 

two words:

 

Man.

Purse.

 

two letters:

 

No.

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"If you see a stylus, they blew it."

- Steve Jobs

 

In general that's true, but there are some tasks for which, let's face it, a fingertip is just too blunt a tool. A stylus option would be welcome.

 

That's why styli have been on the market for four years. Your point is redundant.

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post #86 of 93
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From what I heard; Apple is going to be competing directly with Samsung's Note 4!

 

So, they have to play by Samsung's rules.  Samsung's Note 4 will have better components then the Samsung S5!

 

I read that Apple will have these phones in September:

 

iPhone 6 5.5" Premium model - better screen, better SoC, 128GB storage.

iPhone 6 4.7" Mid tier model - up to 64GB

iPhone 5C Budget model with the 32GB option removed.  Only 16GB available in U.S. model. 

 

Discontinue: 5S

 

Nope.

 

iPhone 6

iPhone 5sc

iPhone 5c

 

Think.

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post #87 of 93
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Don't assume what you want is what everyone else wants. Currently Apple is selling a record number of iPhones. iPhones with a 4" display. For a long time the 4S was one of their most popular models and that has an even smaller display. You have no hard evidence to suggest most iPhone users want a phablet.

 

Nor does anyone have any "hard evidence" that people prefer smaller screens. What little published research we've seen has either combined screen preference with other factors like price or used moving goalposts (4.5" Phone A is classified as "Large" while 4.5" Phone B is classified as "Medium"). No one has published a survey that asked users "All else being equal, what size display do you prefer?"

 

"Record sales" don't necessarily mean Apple has hit the sweet spot, either. There are lots of reasons to choose an iPhone, and on this very forum we've heard from many who say they bought theirs IN SPITE of the screen size, not because of it. Maybe a larger screen will set new, even HIGHER records for sales. Or you could be right, and it may not sell well. We simply don't have good enough information to make meaningful predictions.

 

Wrong. 100% of iPhone users prefer 4" or smaller screens.

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you yourself said it.

compare the 1st Gen iPadMini and iPad.
The 1st Gen iPad mini was essentially identical (in terms of specs) to the iPad 2, which they were still making as an entry level unit at the time. The main difference was the size, and the Lightning connector.

The current model iPad mini (with Retina Display) is pretty much the same as the iPad Air, except for the size of the unit.
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Even Samdung uses better hardware for their Note3 vs Galaxy S5.  
I don't see what the big deal is.
The Note 3 isn't the same phone as a Galaxy S5. A better comparison would be the numerous HTC One models.
So is that a model Apple should use? Is it a model that they want to use? I don't think so.
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Its like expecting the MacBookAir to be just as powerful as the top of the line MacBookPro.
No, it's more like expecting the 11" MacBook Air to be just as powerful as the 13" MacBook Air. Which it is.
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Its just so much easier to make a device more powerful if its bigger.
And if making it more powerful is your only concern, you should make your phones the size of a 12-place dining table. (I believe this is the plan for the Note 6. That will be a really powerful phone.)
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I know, I understand. I'm saying that you may not get the product equity you're hoping for. Apple has demonstrated a willingness to make the artificial distinctions you describe.
No they haven't. The distinctions they have made aren't aritificial. The MacBook Pro 13" only uses a dual core CPU, and doesn't have the stand-alone GPU primarily due to the physical space available in the form factor. The 21.5" iMac uses lower base-speed CPUs (but with the same Turbo speed) than the options available in the 27", again due to fitting things into the smaller housing, and allowing for heat dissipation. Differences in the iMac GPUs are at least partly due to the different screen resolutions.

Typically, the system components of the iPhone or the iPad are much smaller (relative to device size) than those for a desktop or laptop PC. The largest component is the battery, and we can expect, should the 5.5" model be real, that it will be larger in the larger model. Oh, and the cables will be longer. Any other difference will be for technical reasons (eg better GPU to drive more pixels), not to create a "premium" phone.

Besides, Apple tends not to announce the processor speed of their phones or tablets. We only hear what they are when third-parties get hold of them and do their tests and/or teardowns. Apple say what model of processor is in it (and in the case of the A7 that it's 64-bit) and that's it. They don't even say how much RAM is in it. Apple clearly don't care about creating a "premium" phone model, the only people who do seem to be those who want to justify their desire for the larger screen. If you want a 5.5" phone, why do you care that it's better than the 4.7"? If they're otherwise identical, get the screen size you want, and shut up.
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iPhone 5SC

 

*shudder*

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iPhone 5SC

*shudder*

I, too, shudder with delight at the prospect of the 5SC.
Edited by Benjamin Frost - 8/6/14 at 5:53pm
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No they haven't. The distinctions they have made aren't aritificial. The MacBook Pro 13" only uses a dual core CPU, and doesn't have the stand-alone GPU primarily due to the physical space available in the form factor. The 21.5" iMac uses lower base-speed CPUs (but with the same Turbo speed) than the options available in the 27", again due to fitting things into the smaller housing, and allowing for heat dissipation. Differences in the iMac GPUs are at least partly due to the different screen resolutions.

 

The space inside the smaller iMac is not so constrained as to make it impossible to include a GPU. If it is, then it is truly a case of form over function, isn't it?

 

What about the example of storage capacity? Is the 21" too small to accommodate a 1TB SSD? Is that why the maximum available in the machine is 512GB?

 

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Apple clearly don't care about creating a "premium" phone model, the only people who do seem to be those who want to justify their desire for the larger screen. If you want a 5.5" phone, why do you care that it's better than the 4.7"? If they're otherwise identical, get the screen size you want, and shut up.

 

Apparently you haven't been keeping up, yet you're okay with telling people to shut up. Nice. :no:

 

This is NOT about those who want a larger screen calling for it to be better. The ARTICLE says the larger device may have features the smaller one doesn't, and the people who want the SMALLER screen are saying "It better NOT!"

 

(Edit: Corrected typos)


Edited by Lorin Schultz - 8/6/14 at 1:27am

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post #92 of 93
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The space inside the smaller iMac is not so constrained as to make it impossible to include a GPU. If it is, then it is truly a case of form over function, isn't it?

What about the example of storage capacity? Is the 21" too small to accommodate a 1TB SSD? Is that why the maximum available in the machine is 512GB?
I'll admit I hadn't checked the available SSD sizes. I've had a look at the teardown photos on iFixit, and it's hard to say. It's also hard to get a look at the relative sizes of 1TB and 512GB PCIe SSDs. Maybe they don't fit. Or maybe Apple are making a non-Technical distinction between the two models I was unaware of.
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Apparently you haven't been keeping up, yet you're okay with telling people to shut up. Nice. 1oyvey.gif
I apologise if this statement caused offence. It wasn't meant to, it was a reaction to the posters on this thread who have been posting "The 5.5 is going to be better! Suck It!" over and again on this discussion thread.
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This is NOT about those who want a larger screen calling for it to be better. The ARTICLE says the larger device may have features the smaller one doesn't, and the people who want the SMALLER screen are saying "It better NOT!"
I believe the article, and the analyst's report it is based on, is wrong. I believe this position is supported by Apple's current product line, and their past policies with their mobile devices. Other people on this thread believe the article is correct, and have been refusing to acknowledge arguments to the contrary, and have essentially resorted to a combnation of name-calling and non-sequiturs to shore up their position.

Again, I apologise if I offended anyone with my remarks. I merely meant to demonstrate how Apple's current product line and apparent policies indicate that making a "premium" phone of the type described is unlikely.
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Again, I apologise if I offended anyone with my remarks. I merely meant to demonstrate how Apple's current product line and apparent policies indicate that making a "premium" phone of the type described is unlikely.

 

10-4. :)

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