or Connect
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › U.S. government may ban in-flight cellphone calls, airlines voice disapproval
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

U.S. government may ban in-flight cellphone calls, airlines voice disapproval

post #1 of 75
Thread Starter 
The U.S. Department of Transportation is reportedly inching closer to signing off on new rules that would restrict the use of cellphones on planes, but carriers say the judgment should be up to them.

Hawaiian Airlines


Citing people who attended a speech given by DOT general counsel Kathryn Thomson at the International Aviation Club in Washington last week, The Wall Street Journal reports the agency is taking steps toward formally banning cellular phone calls made during U.S. flights.

According to two spokespeople, the DOT is preparing a "notice of proposed rulemaking" that applies to in-flight calls, though the contents of said regulations has yet to be decided. The report notes, however, that the agency has been looking to end potentially disruptive voice calls under consumer protection laws that require airlines to provide "safe and adequate" service.

Some airlines have already chosen to place their own restrictions on in-flight cellphone calling, but others that want to use the feature as a way to stand apart from the competition argue the Transportation Department is overstepping its bounds.

Use of personal electronic devices has been a heated topic for travelers since Apple helped usher in the rise of smartphones in 2007. In 2013, the Federal Aviation Administration announced a rule modification that allows passengers to operate PEDs gate-to-gate, overturning a long-standing restriction that prohibited use below an altitude of 10,000 feet. The FAA did not, however, include cellular calling in its rule change, meaning smartphones still need to be in Airplane Mode during all phases of flight.

A report in November noted that the Federal Communications Commission was debating a change to current in-flight calling rules that would allow carriers to decide whether to extend the feature to passengers. After a meeting in December, the FCC officially proposed a measure, but a formal rule has yet to be issued.

The DOT is set to publish the proposed rulemaking document in December. In the case that its decision conflicts with an FCC mandate, the DOT's determination would take precedent.
post #2 of 75
Wait, didn't the FAA approve in flight cell phone usage? How does then another federal agency supercede that decision? Especially one I had no idea had jurisdiction over air transportation.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example" Mark Twain
"Just because something is deemed the law doesn't make it just" - SolipsismX
Reply
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example" Mark Twain
"Just because something is deemed the law doesn't make it just" - SolipsismX
Reply
post #3 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

Wait, didn't the FAA approve in flight cell phone usage? How does then another federal agency supercede that decision? Especially one I had no idea had jurisdiction over air transportation.

 

FAA is an agency under the US DOT.

post #4 of 75

Happily, the article doesn't confuse the issue by referring to the history of it.../s

post #5 of 75

The airlines probably want to be able add a fee to passengers who want to make cellphone calls, and also add a fee to passengers who want to sit in a section where cellphone calls aren't allowed.

post #6 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by vicp View Post
 

The airlines probably want to be able add a fee to passengers who want to make cellphone calls, and also add a fee to passengers who want to sit in a section where cellphone calls aren't allowed.

I think cell calls should be disallowed, and not for any technical reasons, just because it is rude to talk on a phone in crowded public places.

 

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

 

I always try to fly business class and it is usually a very quiet and relaxing environment where passengers generally have more respect and manners than in the cattle car that is coach.

Life is too short to drink bad coffee.

Reply

Life is too short to drink bad coffee.

Reply
post #7 of 75

100% agree.

post #8 of 75

I heartily endorse this proposal - Art Linkletter.

post #9 of 75

FAA says cell phones could technically be safely used, but DOT says no one wants to be forced to listen to your neighbor talking for 5 hours. I approve. Thank you, DOT.

post #10 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by grblade View Post
 

FAA says cell phones could technically be safely used, but DOT says no one wants to be forced to listen to your neighbor talking for 5 hours. I approve. Thank you, DOT.


Can you imagine how many times you'd have to hear, "Hey! Guess where I'm calling from!"?

post #11 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

FAA is an agency under the US DOT.

Ahhhh I did not know that. Thanks.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example" Mark Twain
"Just because something is deemed the law doesn't make it just" - SolipsismX
Reply
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example" Mark Twain
"Just because something is deemed the law doesn't make it just" - SolipsismX
Reply
post #12 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by grblade View Post
 

FAA says cell phones could technically be safely used, but DOT says no one wants to be forced to listen to your neighbor talking for 5 hours. I approve. Thank you, DOT.

 

I remember when planes got a little bit quieter when digital music players/iPods came on the scene. Then they got quieter again when tablets were allowed, especially when they were allowed gate-to-gate.

 

Airplanes will be hell if cell phone calls are allowed. I'd pay extra to ban all phone calls.

post #13 of 75
Do we really need a government agency passing law that would prohibit this? Let the individual airlines make that decision. I get tire of all the over regulation this government does.
post #14 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgscott86 View Post

Do we really need a government agency passing law that would prohibit this? Let the individual airlines make that decision. I get tire of all the over regulation this government does.

Protecting the public from rude cellphone users is the FAA's job. /s

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
Reply

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

John C. Dvorak, 2007
Reply
post #15 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by mstone View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vicp View Post
 

The airlines probably want to be able add a fee to passengers who want to make cellphone calls, and also add a fee to passengers who want to sit in a section where cellphone calls aren't allowed.

I think cell calls should be disallowed, and not for any technical reasons, just because it is rude to talk on a phone in crowded public places.

 

CAN YOU HEAR ME?

 

I always try to fly business class and it is usually a very quiet and relaxing environment where passengers generally have more respect and manners than in the cattle car that is coach.

I usually get my nose out of joint when people use their phones in, say, restaurants, but then,

aside from the chance to get one's shorts in a bundle for yet another reason,

I really can't understand why I do.

After all, once you get past the initial ringtone - assuming the bozos don't use 'vibrate' in such venues -

you are really only forced to listen to half the talking you'd be exposed to

by any normal conversation between the two passengers in the seats behind you!

post #16 of 75
The issue has nothing to do with safety or technology, and everything to do with the social setting of a crowded environment. Some people have good reason to communicate during flights, so consider substitutes. Texting and emailing are much less likely to irritate other passengers.

I admit to being a Fanatical Moderate. I Disdain the Inane. Vyizderzominymororzizazizdenderizorziz?

Reply

I admit to being a Fanatical Moderate. I Disdain the Inane. Vyizderzominymororzizazizdenderizorziz?

Reply
post #17 of 75
yeah... if we don't like something, we should get it banned... the New American way!
post #18 of 75

Surprised. I had thought the airlines themselves were opposed to allowance of cell calls in flight. The amount of customers a carrier would lose (maybe aside from smaller business commuter flights) would be staggering.

 

First time I board a flight where they allow people to yack on their cells, is the last time I ever fly that airline. And I'm not anywhere near alone.

post #19 of 75

The government should ban all cell phone calls if anybody else is within 50 feet.

post #20 of 75

The Government should......

post #21 of 75

Unlike a subway or other public place, on an airplane I can not change my seat to get away from an inconsiderate caller. Therefore, they should be banned on airplanes.

post #22 of 75
They should ban it permanently. I don't want to be stuck next to the dbag who can't hear the other caller and forgets to use his indoor voice.
post #23 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by grblade View Post
 

FAA says cell phones could technically be safely used, but DOT says no one wants to be forced to listen to your neighbor talking for 5 hours. I approve. Thank you, DOT.

 

Thing is, that would never happen. 

 

Airlines want the ability to have in-flight calling because they get a cut of the roaming fees. When you're on a plane, you aren't connected to AT&T or Verizon's network, your phone is connected to a microcell on board the aircraft, which is operated by a third party company the airline contracts with which acts as an in-flight roaming provider. That third party charges roaming fees to connect you to your cellular provider, and the airlines get a portion of that revenue. 

 

Look at how much it costs to make phone calls aboard airplanes in Europe or the rest of the world - $2-4/minute. That means a 5 hour phone call would cost the person between $600 and $1,200!! 

 

All this batshit crazy paranoia people have about in-flight phone calls makes no sense when you think about how this service will be monetized, how much the charges will be per minute, and how cheap people are. 

post #24 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

Wait, didn't the FAA approve in flight cell phone usage? How does then another federal agency supercede that decision? Especially one I had no idea had jurisdiction over air transportation.

FK the airlines! I do not want to sit anywhere near some loud mouthed asshole talking on their cellphone in flight. And FK the airlines if they are protesting as they want to charge extra fees for those wanting to use, or sit away from some asshole on their phone!
post #25 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgscott86 View Post

Do we really need a government agency passing law that would prohibit this? Let the individual airlines make that decision. I get tire of all the over regulation this government does.

Fine, we'll seat you with all the assholes on their cellphones! BTW - the overwhelming majority of consumers want to keep a ban on cellphone calls on airplanes. And guess what, regulations are implemented to protect the public interest. What part of that do you not understand?
post #26 of 75
They would have to ban "talking on a mobile device" in order to make sure they cover VoIP calling such as with FaceTime/FaceTime audio on any of the other dozens of voip apps that exist.

I know that someone will want to reply to this saying that data speeds in the air are not nearly fast enough and the latency is too high for VoIP apps to be useable - and they'd be right - today - but possibly not tomorrow. And let's not forget apps like HeyTell and the new voice messaging features in iMessage... While not a true "call", I think they would be equally annoying and disturbing to other passengers.
post #27 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by FreeRange View Post

Fine, we'll seat you with all the assholes on their cellphones! BTW - the overwhelming majority of consumers want to keep a ban on cellphone calls on airplanes. And guess what, regulations are implemented to protect the public interest. What part of that do you not understand?
I never said I wanted cellphone use on planes. What I'm saying is we don't need the government to regulate that. Leave it to the airlines themselves. So we will sit you with the other assholes just because you're an asshole.
post #28 of 75
how dare the Government restrict our freedom who the hell do they think they are. We are supposed to live in a free country.

Originally by Rickers - 2014 : Cook & will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost so long.


History reduce Apple Watch.... to a footnote in the annals of technology - Benjamin Frost Dec 2014



Reply

Originally by Rickers - 2014 : Cook & will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost so long.


History reduce Apple Watch.... to a footnote in the annals of technology - Benjamin Frost Dec 2014



Reply
post #29 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post

how dare the Government restrict our freedom who the hell do they think they are. We are supposed to live in a free country.

Nothing is free.

post #30 of 75

The airlines' sole interest in this is making people pay for it. Want to use your cell in flight? That's in rows 1-10 only and there's a fee to sit there.

 

The airlines are going to insist this is their decision because of the Airline Deregulation Act. "Rates, Routes, and Services." The FAA will insist it is a safety issue. Wait until a fight breaks out over someone bitching about "can you hear me now?"

post #31 of 75
"The airlines probably want to be able add a fee to passengers who want to make cellphone calls, and also add a fee to passengers who want to sit in a section where cellphone calls aren't allowed."

Exactly!!!
post #32 of 75
How does this help Amazon? 1tongue.gif
post #33 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by quinney View Post

How does this help Amazon? 1tongue.gif

LMAO!
post #34 of 75
It's should be a Crariers decision but they should teach people to not shout when on a phone call.
post #35 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeiP5 View Post

It's should be a Crariers decision but they should teach people to not shout when on a phone call.

I picture an elderly librarian type with a sound level meter and a large ruler at the ready to hit you in the back of the kneck every time your voice reaches a certain octave. No! Wham! Sssshhhhhhhh!
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
Reply
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
Reply
post #36 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgscott86 View Post

I never said I wanted cellphone use on planes. What I'm saying is we don't need the government to regulate that. Leave it to the airlines themselves. So we will sit you with the other assholes just because you're an asshole.

It makes absolutely no sense to let the airlines regulate this! The overwhelming majority of people DO NOT WANT IT! Period. BTW - you weren't called an asshole, just the people that would use a cellphone on an airplane . But if you think the airlines should be able to allow such use, then most certainly, hopefully, you would be the one sitting next to them. Then tell us how you feel. Do you really think the airlines would do what's in the best interest of their customers? Just look at the condition of US air service now. It's absolutely pathetic by world standards.
post #37 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibitzer View Post

The issue has nothing to do with safety…

 

The heck it don't! Just wait for the fights to break out. If you think it will be bad enough with inconsiderate callers, wait until alcohol gets tossed into the mix. Flying for hours with strangers in the sardine-can environment of economy class is bad enough, but OMG there are so many people out there who really don't give a damn about anybody else. Allowing unrestricted phone calls on flights is such a bad idea on so many levels and at any altitude. I am so much against this I hope the airlines go so far as to actively block all cell phone signals from take-off to landing.

"You can't fall off the floor"   From 128k Mac to 8GB MBP

Reply

"You can't fall off the floor"   From 128k Mac to 8GB MBP

Reply
post #38 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


Protecting the public from rude cellphone users is the FAA's job. /s

Couldn't agree more! Wish DOT could pass a law prohibiting any passengers in my car to use their phones, we really need more laws regulating all aspects of human behaviour which I oppose! 

post #39 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by RPT View Post
 

Couldn't agree more! Wish DOT could pass a law prohibiting any passengers in my car to use their phones, we really need more laws regulating all aspects of human behaviour which I oppose! 

Like passing gas in public.

When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
Reply
When I looked up "Ninjas" in Thesaurus.com, it said "Ninja's can't be found" Well played Ninjas, well played.
Reply
post #40 of 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by waybacmac View Post

The heck it don't! Just wait for the fights to break out. If you think it will be bad enough with inconsiderate callers, wait until alcohol gets tossed into the mix. Flying for hours with strangers in the sardine-can environment of economy class is bad enough, but OMG there are so many people out there who really don't give a damn about anybody else. Allowing unrestricted phone calls on flights is such a bad idea on so many levels and at any altitude. I am so much against this I hope the airlines go so far as to actively block all cell phone signals from take-off to landing.
I wasn't thinking about safety in the sense that you are, so point well taken.

Given the vehemence of your comment, however, I have to wonder if you might be among the first to instigate one of those brawls you decry ... Hmmm? 1bugeye.gif
Edited by Kibitzer - 8/5/14 at 3:42am

I admit to being a Fanatical Moderate. I Disdain the Inane. Vyizderzominymororzizazizdenderizorziz?

Reply

I admit to being a Fanatical Moderate. I Disdain the Inane. Vyizderzominymororzizazizdenderizorziz?

Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: iPhone
  • U.S. government may ban in-flight cellphone calls, airlines voice disapproval
AppleInsider › Forums › Mobile › iPhone › U.S. government may ban in-flight cellphone calls, airlines voice disapproval