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In addition to an expected bigger 4.7-inch display, Apple's next iPhone may also pack in a much larger battery, representing a 45 percent increase in capacity from the company's current flagship iPhone 5s.

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The latest rumor about the battery in Apple's anticipated "iPhone 6" was posted to Chinese social media site Sin Weibo by analyst Sun Chang Xu. The note, which was highlighted by GforGames, suggests that the 4.7-inch version of Apple's next iPhone will boast a 2,100mAh battery.

If true, that would represent a huge 45.8 percent increase over the 1,440mAh battery Apple currently features in the iPhone 5s. It's possible that Apple could accomplish the increase by decreasing the size of other internal components, and also featuring more internal space with a larger display.

Apple's current flagship iPhone 5s features a display that measures 4 inches diagonally in a 16:9 ratio. The "iPhone 6" is rumored to come in two larger sizes of 4.7 inches and 5.5 inches.

Last month, an 1,810mAh battery purportedly for Apple's "iPhone 6" was shown off in photos that appeared online. But according to Sun's latest post, while the smaller battery was legitimate, it was only used for testing purposes during development of the final product.

According to Sun, the final design of the 4.7-inch "iPhone 6" will in fact come with an even larger 2,100mAh battery, which would be an increase of 660mAh from the iPhone 5s.

With "iPhone 6" rumors gaining steam as Apple heads into its anticipated fall launch, all questions will likely be answered on Sept. 9, when the company is expected to hold a media event to show off its next-generation iPhone. The device is rumored to have a next-generation "A8" processor and market watchers believe the update will lead to Apple's biggest product launch ever.
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I wouldn't mind trading some thinness and weight against a whole-day battery life... The 5S is gorgeous, but if you use LTE or the GPS a lot, an external battery or battery case is pretty much a requirement. I'd love to have the option of a 5Ah battery, even if that meant a thicker, heavier phone.

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Doesn't it have to have a bigger battery if there is a bigger screen to keep battery life the same? So at least some of that increase is necessary just for status quo. The screen on a 4.7" diagonal has 35% more area than the 4"

 

I don't know how that translates to actual power usage, but thinking that a 46% bigger battery is going to increase battery life by the same amount is disingenuous.

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I wouldn't mind trading some thinness and weight against a whole-day battery life... The 5S is gorgeous, but if you use LTE or the GPS a lot, an external battery or battery case is pretty much a requirement. I'd love to have the option of a 5Ah battery, even if that meant a thicker, heavier phone.

 

For the last time:

 

Buy a battery case.  Most people don't need 12 hours of heavy use.  Most people like the thin and sleek look.  For the 1% like you go buy a battery case so the rest of us can enjoy our thin phone.

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I wouldn't mind trading some thinness and weight against a whole-day battery life... The 5S is gorgeous, but if you use LTE or the GPS a lot, an external battery or battery case is pretty much a requirement. I'd love to have the option of a 5Ah battery, even if that meant a thicker, heavier phone.

Agreed.  I love my iPhone, but the battery life on my 5s is pretty abysmal, even after following all the guides that show you how to maximize your usage.

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Agreed.  I love my iPhone, but the battery life on my 5s is pretty abysmal, even after following all the guides that show you how to maximize your usage.

 

I've only got close to running out of battery once.  I was driving using GPS for 5+ hours.  Just go buy a car charger.

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I wouldn't mind trading some thinness and weight against a whole-day battery life... The 5S is gorgeous, but if you use LTE or the GPS a lot, an external battery or battery case is pretty much a requirement. I'd love to have the option of a 5Ah battery, even if that meant a thicker, heavier phone.

I'd rather have a thinner, lighter phone than a thicker, heavier one.  Even if it meant 10 hour battery life instead of 16.  There's a tradeoff in size and battery life, and Apple has hit that mark since they started I believe.  Need I point any doubters to the Macbook Pro Retina or MacBook Airs?

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
The latest rumor about the battery in Apple's anticipated "iPhone 6" was posted to Chinese social media site Sin Weibo by analyst Sun Chang Xu.

 

Awesome rumor.

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I've only got close to running out of battery once.  I was driving using GPS for 5+ hours.  Just go buy a car charger.

 

You have all the answers, don't you?  Maybe this person's job doesn't involve driving.  Maybe he or she is out in the field all day w/o access to power and doesn't want a case.  There's nothing wrong with hoping for the iP6 to have a better battery life.  I work at a desk all day but I share the same hope.

 

Shocking to hear, perhaps, but not everyone's situation is like yours.

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It's reassuring to hear that there's rumor now for a 2100maH battery for the 4.7" iPhone 6 instead of the 1810mah previously rumored. Honestly if they could of put a 3,000mah battery in the iPhone 6 I would happily welcome that even if it meant a slightly thicker and heavier phone. Apple will continue to keep their operating efficiency up on their phones even with a smaller battery. They also wouldn't put a phone to market without extension testing on battery life since it is the top priority for many smartphone owners.
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This only make logical sense to go to the bigger batter with more volume to utilize. 2100 sounds about right since it the same size Motorola use on their 4.7 Atriz and Razr phones. The only what they could go bigger is to grow the thickness.
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So just to be clear the 46% increase is over the iPhone 5 and not 5s cos i thought the 5s battery was worked out to be about an 1,570 mAh battery up from the iPhone 5 1,440 mAh battery,

As the article is stating the iPhone 5s has an 1,440 mAh battery which it does not the 5 had that which was released 2012.
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Doesn't it have to have a bigger battery if there is a bigger screen to keep battery life the same? So at least some of that increase is necessary just for status quo. The screen on a 4.7" diagonal has 35% more area than the 4"

I don't know how that translates to actual power usage, but thinking that a 46% bigger battery is going to increase battery life by the same amount is disingenuous.

Great point. Very true. However , like the iPad Air. An IGZO screen could easily offset the screen size through efficiency. Additoinally, chipset improvements could make the phone run under less power than the current iPhone 5S.

My hope is baterry life is at least 1.5 times that of the iPhone 5S. Minimum. Pulling for 2.
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Doesn't it have to have a bigger battery if there is a bigger screen to keep battery life the same? So at least some of that increase is necessary just for status quo. The screen on a 4.7" diagonal has 35% more area than the 4"

 

I don't know how that translates to actual power usage, but thinking that a 46% bigger battery is going to increase battery life by the same amount is disingenuous.

I would have expected the previously rumoured 1810mAh battery to compensate for the extra screen size so hopefully this new size will bring some actual benefit in terms of battery life. Certainly larger screen sizes don't use up all additional battery power, one reason why large screen Android phones are much better than the iPhone in terms of battery life.

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These kind of threads always crack me up. We all know Apple isn't going to make an iPhone that is thicker and heavier than the previous iPhone. The 3rd gen iPad was a anomaly (and people complained about it). People can complain all they want but if it bothers them that much then they need to get their phone elsewhere.
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These kind of threads always crack me up. We all know Apple isn't going to make an iPhone that is thicker and heavier than the previous iPhone. The 3rd gen iPad was a anomaly (and people complained about it). People can complain all they want but if it bothers them that much then they need to get their phone elsewhere.

They also did this with the iPad mini.
Apart from that, another limiting factor is the camera. Since I don't see them designing something with a stuck out optics then unless there is no step change in camera tech there will be not much room for decreasing the thickness.
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More baseless rumors do not make them true.

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For the last time:

 

Buy a battery case.  Most people don't need 12 hours of heavy use.  Most people like the thin and sleek look.  For the 1% like you go buy a battery case so the rest of us can enjoy our thin phone.

 

Give me a break. 

 

As a fan and investor, Apple should do better at providing better battery life. It shouldn't be the customer's problem! 

 

As a light-medium user who doesn't use a battery case, I've never seen so many iPhones in the wild WITH battery cases. Seeing so many out there clearly points to the fact that the current phone doesn't have an adequate battery for a lot of people.

 

For me, I would say it's 'okay.' But I would love to stream more and not have such a habit of plugging it in.

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They also did this with the iPad mini.
Apart from that, another limiting factor is the camera. Since I don't see them designing something with a stuck out optics then unless there is no step change in camera tech there will be not much room for decreasing the thickness.

 

This is the only thing that "concerns" me about the iP6.  I just don't like the lens protruding on the iPod, really hoping it doesn't on the new iPhone.  Since I don't use a case at all and my phone lies on the desk all day beside me, typing would be annoying as it wouldn't sit flat on the desk.

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Give me a break. 

 

As a fan and investor, Apple should do better at providing better battery life. It shouldn't be the customer's problem! 

 

As a light-medium user who doesn't use a battery case, I've never seen so many iPhones in the wild WITH battery cases. Seeing so many out there clearly points to the fact that the current phone doesn't have an adequate battery for a lot of people.

 

For me, I would say it's 'okay.' But I would love to stream more and not have such a habit of plugging it in.

In an ideal world Apple would give you exactly what you need but I believe most people manage fine. Heavy users need to figure out how to top up on the go for themselves. It is not rocket science. I have a dash holder in my car where I put my iPhone whenever I drive. I don't spend huge amounts of time on the road but it takes car of 95% of all my charging needs. If you don't drive then perhaps a desktop charger would be a good move. Get to work, plug it in and stream and surf to your hearts content. If you spend most of your day on site and are never near a charging point a case would seem like a simple option. 

 

For me a thicker and heavier phone with longer battery life would be a loosing proposition.

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You have all the answers, don't you?  Maybe this person's job doesn't involve driving.  Maybe he or she is out in the field all day w/o access to power and doesn't want a case.  There's nothing wrong with hoping for the iP6 to have a better battery life.  I work at a desk all day but I share the same hope.

Shocking to hear, perhaps, but not everyone's situation is like yours.

Sp you expect Apple to make the phone heavier, fatter, and uglier to satisfy 1% of the population? Really? Bottom line is most people are already satisfied with the 5s battery life.

If someone needs extended battery life they need to buy a $30 battery case. Whats easier? Have 1% of your customers buying cases or 99% of your customers mad about the size and weight of the phone?

Dont fool yourself . Apple pays millions to figure out what the optimal battery life vs weight ratio should be for the majority of there target market. Just because you have special 'needs' does not mean the rest of us have to suffer with a heavy phone.
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They also did this with the iPad mini.
Apart from that, another limiting factor is the camera. Since I don't see them designing something with a stuck out optics then unless there is no step change in camera tech there will be not much room for decreasing the thickness.
I forgot about the iPad mini. Was it as noticeable as the 3rd gen iPad?
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Sp you expect Apple to make the phone heavier, fatter, and uglier to satisfy 1% of the population? Really? Bottom line is most people are already satisfied with the 5s battery life.

If someone needs extended battery life they need to buy a $30 battery case. Whats easier? Have 1% of your customers buying cases or 99% of your customers mad about the size and weight of the phone?

Dont fool yourself . Apple pays millions to figure out what the optimal battery life vs weight ratio should be for the majority of there target market. Just because you have special 'needs' does not mean the rest of us have to suffer with a heavy phone.
The only issue is IF/when competitor phones have better battery life. I don't use any Android or WP phones but if they're getting better battery life than iPhone that's a problem. Especially when Apple makes a big deal about the great battery life on their laptops. Perhaps Apple needs a battery saving mode. I believe WP has it and the Samsung Galaxy does as well.
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I'd rather have a thinner, lighter phone than a thicker, heavier one.  Even if it meant 10 hour battery life instead of 16.  There's a tradeoff in size and battery life, and Apple has hit that mark since they started I believe.  Need I point any doubters to the Macbook Pro Retina or MacBook Airs?

If they could somehow get an equivalent operating time increase as they did between the 2012 & 2013 macbook airs, all this hand wringing would be moot. My 2013 Haswell Air lasts forever (over 13 hours solid use)
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Sp you expect Apple to make the phone heavier, fatter, and uglier to satisfy 1% of the population? Really? Bottom line is most people are already satisfied with the 5s battery life.

If someone needs extended battery life they need to buy a $30 battery case. Whats easier? Have 1% of your customers buying cases or 99% of your customers mad about the size and weight of the phone?

Dont fool yourself . Apple pays millions to figure out what the optimal battery life vs weight ratio should be for the majority of there target market. Just because you have special 'needs' does not mean the rest of us have to suffer with a heavy phone.

 

Asking for all day battery life is considered a special 'need?' 

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The only issue is IF/when competitor phones have better battery life. I don't use any Android or WP phones but if they're getting better battery life than iPhone that's a problem. Especially when Apple makes a big deal about the great battery life on their laptops. Perhaps Apple needs a battery saving mode. I believe WP has it and the Samsung Galaxy does as well.

 

Yes.  For example, Moto X has a stellar battery life, especially when you consider it's "always on" listening.  I played with one for a few weeks, wasn't for me. But the battery life is terrific.

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Certainly larger screen sizes don't use up all additional battery power, one reason why large screen Android phones are much better than the iPhone in terms of battery life.

I thought Android phones had better battery life because their users don't actually DO anything with them.
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Good. Because according to Samsung ads, dorky iPhone users are wall huggers who look at cool Samsung Galaxy S5 users with jealous envy at the airport. 1rolleyes.gif

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Asking for all day battery life is considered a special 'need?' 

 

My 5S last the whole day easily.

I usually charge at 10pm with 30%+ of battery life.

My normal day I stream video, stream radio, internet, text, calls ect.

 

I'm pretty sure 99% of iPhone users have the same experience.

 

Where does it end?  How much sacrifice do the 99% need to make to please the 1%?  What about people who are in the field for MULTIPLE DAYS?  How do they feel?  Maybe we need to make the iPhone weight 1 pound so the battery last a week.  See how silly that sounds?

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Dont fool yourself . Apple pays millions to figure out what the optimal battery life vs weight ratio should be for the majority of there target market. Just because you have special 'needs' does not mean the rest of us have to suffer with a heavy phone.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong or that I disagree, but there IS another possibility: Maybe Apple carefully researches just how far they can compromise battery life before people refuse to buy them.

 

When visiting a store to buy a new phone, a buyer will immediately notice that one device is thinner and lighter than another. That has an instantaneous psychological effect. A few may pour over battery life comparisons, but most won't and even those that do may be swayed by the siren song of a sexier, cooler looking and feeling device.

 

Apple's in business to sell stuff. It's not hard to imagine that they might ignore even a fairly large cry for longer battery life if their research shows that it's not a significant influence on the choice to buy or not. They won't compromise it to the point that it has a serious adverse affect on the ownership experience for most people, but they may not make increasing it as high a priority as making the phone thin and light.

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Yes.  For example, Moto X has a stellar battery life, especially when you consider it's "always on" listening.  I played with one for a few weeks, wasn't for me. But the battery life is terrific.

 

Not according to this review

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Apple-iPhone-5s-vs-Motorola-Moto-X_id3450/page/4

 

"Using the two moderately, we’re able to get through a solid day of normal usage before their batteries are completely depleted. Therefore, neither one is able to out muscle the other in this area. Seriously though, we were hoping for just a little bit more juice out of them!"

 

Seriously.  There are a million factors that determine battery life.  So many variables.  You can't just use a phone for a few days and make a conclusion.  You need to run base line tests with both phones doing the EXACT SAME THING.

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For the last time:

 

Buy a battery case.  Most people don't need 12 hours of heavy use.  Most people like the thin and sleek look.  For the 1% like you go buy a battery case so the rest of us can enjoy our thin phone.

Who do you think you are? I can't believe how arrogant and self-important you are. I'm TELLING you what *I* would prefer. I have battery cases. I've actually had battery cases since my first iPhone. Mophie, Tylt, brand-X, dozens of them. They ALL suck. They add considerable bulk to the phone, much more than a higher capacity battery would. It's an inefficient concept that wastes a lot of energy in the conversion, using one battery to charge another. I would like to have the option to purchase a slightly bigger phone with a much longer battery life, instead of an impossibly thin phone that doesn't last me a day. You are not speaking for all users.

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My 5S last the whole day easily.

I usually charge at 10pm with 30%+ of battery life.

 

I'm pretty sure 99% of iPhone users have the same experience.

 

Where does it end?  How much sacrifice do the 99% need to make to please the 1%?  What about people who are in the field for MULTIPLE DAYS?  How do they feel?  Maybe we need to make the iPhone weight 1 pound so the battery last a week.  See how silly that sounds?

 

As stated earlier, I sit at a desk, so I charge my phone throughout the day if needed.  But I can see how other users would want longer battery life, without having to buy special cases.  If you can't see that, then you're arguing for the sake of argument.  

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I'm not saying you're wrong or that I disagree, but there IS another possibility: Maybe Apple carefully researches just how far they can compromise battery life before people refuse to buy them.

 

When visiting a store to buy a new phone, a buyer will immediately notice that one device is thinner and lighter than another. That has an instantaneous psychological effect. A few may pour over battery life comparisons, but most won't and even those that do may be swayed by the siren song of a sexier, cooler looking and feeling device.

 

Apple's in business to sell stuff. It's not hard to imagine that they might ignore even a fairly large cry for longer battery life if their research shows that it's not a significant influence on the choice to buy or not. They won't compromise it to the point that it has a serious adverse affect on the ownership experience for most people, but they may not make increasing it as high a priority as making the phone thin and light.

 

This is similar to sports cars and gas mileage. 

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Not according to this review

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Apple-iPhone-5s-vs-Motorola-Moto-X_id3450/page/4

 

"Using the two moderately, we’re able to get through a solid day of normal usage before their batteries are completely depleted. Therefore, neither one is able to out muscle the other in this area. Seriously though, we were hoping for just a little bit more juice out of them!"

 

Seriously.  There are a million factors that determine battery life.  So many variables.  You can't just use a phone for a few days and make a conclusion.  You need to run base line tests with both phones doing the EXACT SAME THING.

 

I had it for 3 weeks.  I'm comparing real world usage between the Moto X and my iPhone.  Your comprehension skills are lacking, my friend.

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As stated earlier, I sit at a desk, so I charge my phone throughout the day if needed.  But I can see how other users would want longer battery life, without having to buy special cases.  If you can't see that, then you're arguing for the sake of argument.  


whats so hard about buying a battery case?

 

Thats the point I don't get.  If you want the phone to be bigger and heavier so it has better battery life why not just buy a battery case? 

 

Again making the phone heavier is hurting 99% of the buyers and benefiting only 1%.

 

For myself I absolutely LOVE the weight and size of the 5S.  So  much so I refuse to buy a regular case for it because of adding any weight or bulk.

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Apple's in business to sell stuff. It's not hard to imagine that they might ignore even a fairly large cry for longer battery life if their research shows that it's not a significant influence on the choice to buy or not. They won't compromise it to the point that it has a serious adverse affect on the ownership experience for most people, but they may not make increasing it as high a priority as making the phone thin and light.

Running out of juice has a serious adverse effect on the ownership experience. If the iPhone's battery life was not an issue to "most users," Samsung would not have picked on it for its anti-Apple commercials.

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I had it for 3 weeks.  I'm comparing real world usage between the Moto X and my iPhone.  Your comprehension skills are lacking, my friend.


nope.  Your real world usage is not accurate.  It all depends on wifi signal, LTE signal, ect, and THOUSANDS of other variables.

 

The review I posted said they had similiar battery life.

 

This other review using a test enviroment has the MotoX last shorter than the 5

http://blog.laptopmag.com/moto-x-phone-battery-life-how-it-stacks-up

 

again you cant rely on real world.  You need to compare the phones doing the exact SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME.

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Running out of juice has a serious adverse effect on the ownership experience. If the iPhone's battery life was not an issue to "most users," Samsung would not have picked on it for its anti-Apple commercials.

 

So just because Samsung says the iPhone battery is weak its true now?

 

Really?

 

Just because Samsung is willing to spend a few million of their TWENTY BILLION DOLLAR marketing budget it makes it a REAL PROBLEM?

 

Really?

 

I guess those commercials do work on the weak minded.

 

So I guess it also means that iPad owners wish they really had a physical keyboard like the Surface because Microsoft adverstises that?

 

Then you also believe that iPhone users want to tug around an extra battery?  Just because Samdung ssaid on a commercial?

 

So all iphone users are nerds for standing in line? since Samsung said they are?

So most iPad users want a USB port?  Cause Microsoft said that on their commerical. mUST be true. Right?

 

So now what ever a competitor says on a commericial is TRUE?

 

hope you were being sarcastic because that was idiotic


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whats so hard about buying a battery case?

 

Thats the point I don't get.  If you want the phone to be bigger and heavier so it has better battery life why not just buy a battery case? 

 

Again making the phone heavier is hurting 99% of the buyers and benefiting only 1%.

 

For myself I absolutely LOVE the weight and size of the 5S.  So  much so I refuse to buy a regular case for it because of adding any weight or bulk.

I have battery cases. Lots of them. They're bulky and inefficient. It takes a huge battery case to add the same amount of juice you'd get with a slightly thicker and heavier phone. I'm glad you love your iPhone, but you're clearly pulling your 99% figure right out of your nether regions. Battery life is an issue with all smartphones, and the iPhone in particular. If Apple is, as the rumor says, coming up with two new iPhone sizes, they're obviously aware that "one size fits all" is not the way to go, so why not come up with one model that has huge battery life, for the "1%" so your "99%" doesn't have to suffer?

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