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Secret documents that anonymously leaked from global surveillance firm Gamma Group detail broad powers to spy on Android users via its FinSpy tool sold to law enforcement, but note that the tools lack the ability to infect iPhones unless they have been jailbroken.

FinSpy Mobile


One of the leaked documents described FinSpy Mobile as being "designed to help Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies to remotely monitor mobile phones and tablet devices and get full access to:

"Communication: Calls, SMS, MMS and more; Stored Data: Address Book from Phone and SIM; Surveillance Devices: Make silent Calls to remotely listen to the Microphone; and Location: Trace device and monitor locations."

The regularly updated software tool supports all releases of Android, devices running BlackBerry OS prior to the newest BB10, Symbian and Windows Mobile phones, but notes that in order to spy on an iPhone, the user must jailbreak their device, a step that disables Apple's security.

FinSpy Mobile


A report by the Washington Post noted that the tool is "capable of listening to calls on targeted devices, stealing contacts, activating the microphone, tracking your location and more. But for FinSpy to hack into an iPhone, its owner must have already stripped away much of its built-in security through a process called 'jailbreaking.'"

The site stated, "This is good news for people with iPhones, and perhaps for Apple as well," but added that "it's ironic" that "a different mobile operating system - Google's Android - has emerged as the global standard," noting of Android phones that "they're cheaper. But, it's increasingly clear, they are more vulnerable to the Gammas of the world, and from the police and intelligence services that use their tools."

The Surveillance Gap



The Post described the security chasm between Android and iOS as a "growing 'Surveillance Gap,'" stating, "Some civil libertarians have begun pointing out that the people on the safer side of that gap - with stronger protections against the potential for government abuse - are the relatively affluent people who already favor Apple products.

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"Those willing to pay a premium for an iPhone or iPad, perhaps for their design elegance or ease of use, are also getting disk encryption by default, an instant messaging system that resists eavesdropping and an operating system that even powerful surveillance companies have trouble cracking."

The paper observed that "most shoppers likely think little about security when choosing their consumer electronics. Yet the consequences can be serious if a government anywhere in the world decides to target you with FinSpy, or if a police officer or border patrol agent attempts to browse through your smartphone -- or worse still, copy its entire contents for later examination."

Android is the favored platform of Al-Qaeda, making it obvious why government surveillance teams seek to target the platform. However, the ease in exploiting Android is also directly related to severe security lapses Google has made in designing its mobile platform.

Maintained by Google primarily a way to display its ads, Android is distributed via an "open" community alliance of competing hardware makers and mobile carriers that makes patching major problems across the Android installed base extremely challenging--and impossible for the hundreds of millions of Android users who don't access Google Play.

Spyware on Macs



The Post also noted that "just because Gamma Group has trouble getting FinSpy onto iPhones doesn't mean they are impregnable. Other surveillance companies may have better intrusion technology. Or an intelligence service could hack into the computer that syncs up with an iPhone."

Gamma also licenses its desktop spyware, which can target both Macs and Windows PCs, although other leaked documents show that its desktop software is limited to exploiting OS X via modules that spy on the shell, install a keylogger, share the screen or webcam or exploit Microsoft's Skype.

Under Microsoft's Windows, the company's software advertises broad powers to access, change or delete files, and supplies modules that handle forensic tools, keyloggers, and use the microphone, printer, scheduler, Skype, screen and webcam as well as VoIP.

FinSpy PC


The software is also regularly updated to avoid detection by malware scanners including Microsoft Security Essentials and Avast AntiVirus, as noted by NetworkWorld.

The leaked details were provided via a spoof account on Twitter sarcastically identifying itself as @GammaGroupPR. The leaked documents have been archived by privacy advocates including Wikileaks and German site netzpolitik.org.
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There has been software like this for corporation to install on company provided cell phones. This software is loaded to enforce company policies such as not installing software which is not approved or allows they to remotely managed the device or lock or wipes it content. Another feature is they can see everything you doing with the phone. If Apple is making big inroads in the Corp America you can bet Apple has similar management tools for Corp IT to manage and control the phone.You just can not install it will out something knowing you did it.

This is why I love the program Little snitch on the Mac, it tells me what each and every program is doing when it comes to network activities. I wish they would come up with something similar for the iphones.
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Open OS is so much better and years ahead¡
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No, say it ain't so. Windows gets all of the attacks and Mac only gets 4 of them? Android gets all possible attacks and only a few jailbroke iPhones are possible to attack?

But, but, but . . . Windows and Android are the best because of . . . market share and stuff like that, right? . . . and business needs machines that are protected by tons of malware and virus protection, right? Why don't Apple users buy all that malware and spyware and virus protection software and pay for all those constant definition updates?
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One of the leaked documents described FinSpy Mobile as being "designed to help Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies to remotely monitor mobile phones and tablet devices and get full access to:

"Communication: Calls, SMS, MMS and more; Stored Data: Address Book from Phone and SIM; Surveillance Devices: Make silent Calls to remotely listen to the Microphone; and Location: Trace device and monitor locations."

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No, say it ain't so. Windows gets all of the attacks and Mac only gets 4 of them? Android gets all possible attacks and only a few jailbroke iPhones are possible to attack?

But, but, but . . . Windows and Android are the best because of . . . market share and stuff like that, right? . . . and business needs machines that are protected by tons of malware and virus protection, right? Why don't Apple users buy all that malware and spyware and virus protection software and pay for all those constant definition updates?
You are total worse windows and android fanboy. The mircosoft is slobber job to write the windows software. So I am very mad at mircosoft because their software are slob and not work right. So I did swear and yell at my windows computer. I never to buy android smartphones because the google is slobbest job to write android software.
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I imagine Apple][ is going to have a field day with this one. If memory serves, hasn't he always maintained (correct if wrong) that "Android Users=poor" and that "Apple Users=Wealth"? This article would seem to bear that out seeing as the article states that most Android users "think little about security" and only factor in price.
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There has been software like this for corporation to install on company provided cell phones. This software is loaded to enforce company policies such as not installing software which is not approved or allows they to remotely managed the device or lock or wipes it content. Another feature is they can see everything you doing with the phone. If Apple is making big inroads in the Corp America you can bet Apple has similar management tools for Corp IT to manage and control the phone.You just can not install it will out something knowing you did it.

This is why I love the program Little snitch on the Mac, it tells me what each and every program is doing when it comes to network activities. I wish they would come up with something similar for the iphones.

 

Mobile Device Management (MDM) is used to install policy and centrally manage devices like PCs and mobile devices, but has little in common with surveillance software designed to let agencies spy on individuals without those users being aware that they are being spied upon.

 

MDM typically does not "spy" on users in the way these surveillance tools are designed to, and most companies have policies that make it clear when a managed device is being watched or monitored. 

 

Also, while iOS works with a variety of MDM vendors, including IBM, Good, etc. Android is (ironically) difficult to manage because its so fragmented.

 

So Android is easy for spooks to spy upon, but difficult for corporations to manage. And iOS is the opposite.

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Seeing BB on that list makes me doubt the validity of the claim.
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Seeing BB on that list makes me doubt the validity of the claim.

Why? They say it doesn't work on the latest version. FinSpy is for law enforcement and it wouldn't surprise me if the NSA uses it all the time as well. Government BB BES servers probably installed it as part of the government installation to make sure they could track them wherever they went. Their inclusion doesn't surprise me one bit. What surprises me a lot is that they haven't been able to get their software through the Apple App Store using a free game or something. If they haven't, I see this as a real plus for the App Store's legitimate attempt to make sure malware and improper software doesn't reach customer.

 

As for jailbroken iPhones, that's what people get when they break a perfectly functioning phone; maybe not to everyone's liking but it does work securely.

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Why? They say it doesn't work on the latest version. FinSpy is for law enforcement and it wouldn't surprise me if the NSA uses it all the time as well. Government BB BES servers probably installed it as part of the government installation to make sure they could track them wherever they went. Their inclusion doesn't surprise me one bit. What surprises me a lot is that they haven't been able to get their software through the Apple App Store using a free game or something. If they haven't, I see this as a real plus for the App Store's legitimate attempt to make sure malware and improper software doesn't reach customer.

As for jailbroken iPhones, that's what people get when they break a perfectly functioning phone; maybe not to everyone's liking but it does work securely.

There was a highly publicized tug of war between India and BB a few years ago in which India insisted BB install a 'backdoor' so that the Indian government could spy on its citizens.

http://betanews.com/2010/08/03/rim-no-back-door-into-encrypted-blackberry-messages-for-any-government/
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How terrible for Apple to cut the malware authors out of their ever growing profit stream. Surely Google, Microsoft and Samsung should take them to court for restriction of trade on behalf of their silent business partners!
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Going by this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FinFisher
...you'd be forgiven for thinking the opposite were true 1hmm.gif
Some selective editing by Gary 2 days ago?
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"[Android is] Maintained by Google primarily a way to display its ads", which by definition means that Android itself is really just malware.

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"[Android is] Maintained
 by Google primarily a way to display its ads", which by definition means that Android itself is really just malware.

How are these ads shown?
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I imagine Apple][ is going to have a field day with this one. If memory serves, hasn't he always maintained (correct if wrong) that "Android Users=poor" and that "Apple Users=Wealth"? This article would seem to bear that out seeing as the article states that most Android users "think little about security" and only factor in price.

 

It's not so much that Apple users = wealth, because let's face it, being able to afford an iPhone doesn't exactly require enormous wealth, and there are hundreds of millions of Apple users out there. I do believe that Apple users in general are more intelligent and creative, since they don't skimp out on such essential purchases like phones and other devices, and they are willing to pay for awesome quality. Apple users also have more important assets to protect as they care more about security than Android users. To an Android user, a 99 cent app is outrageously priced, and they will have to think for a whole week before spending such a vast sum of money.

 

But, it certainly means that Android users in general are cheap as hell. The main concern for many of them is simply price. A hundred dollars to an Android user is a major financial investment, and they are willing to risk everything just to save a buck or two. I also maintain that Android users have less things of importance to protect, so perhaps security isn't that big of a deal to a person who has little of value to secure. Would it make sense for a homeless person to buy an expensive lock for their cardboard box?

 

And lastly, Android users in general are extremely ignorant in addition to being cheap. I read an article the other day about how the vast majority of US customers buy their phones in a store, and the vast majority of phones pushed on ignorant people by scummy salespeople are Samsung phones.


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It's not so much that Apple users = wealth, because let's face it, being able to afford an iPhone doesn't exactly require enormous wealth, and there are hundreds of millions of Apple users out there. I do believe that Apple users in general are more intelligent and creative, since they don't skimp out on such essential purchases like phones and other devices, and they are willing to pay for awesome quality. Apple users also have more important assets to protect as they care more about security than Android users. To an Android user, a 99 cent app is outrageously priced, and they will have to think a whole week before spending such a vast sum of money.

But, it certainly means that Android users in general are cheap as hell. The main concern for many of them is simply price. A hundred dollars to an Android user is a major financial investment, and they are willing to risk everything just to save a buck or two. I also maintain that Android users have less things of importance to protect, so perhaps security isn't that big of a deal to a person who has little of value to secure. Would it make sense for a homeless person to buy an expensive lock for their cardboard box?

And lastly, Android users in general are extremely ignorant in addition to being cheap. I read an article the other day about how the vast majority of US customers buy their phones in a store, and the vast majority of phones pushed on ignorant people by scummy salespeople are Samsung phones.

At the height of Win XPs popularity what was its market share? Over 90%? I'm sure plenty or users with lots to protect used XP which was a malware magnet. Did all those people lose what they had to protect? Was there a world financial collapse because hackers robbed everyone? No. So if it didn't happen back then it's not going to happen now.
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At the height of Win XPs popularity what was its market share? Over 90%? I'm sure plenty or users with lots to protect used XP which was a malware magnet. Did all those people lose what they had to protect? Was there a world financial collapse because hackers robbed everyone? No. So if it didn't happen back then it's not going to happen now.

 

Windows has always been widely used, both in home and business use. I don't touch Windows machines, but I assume that they ran plenty of anti-virus programs. 

 

Android hasn't exactly been embraced by business and no, I definitely don't believe that there would be any world wide financial collapse if every single Android phone in the world got hacked, because that brings me back to the point that I made in my prior post, there is very little to protect.

 

Most people with money and resources shun Android, this includes big business and most savvy consumers. Android's high marketshare is mostly due to poor people, especially people in third world countries who probably don't even own a pair of shoes. What do they have to lose? I wonder what percentage of Android users do not even have a bank account? 

 

I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.

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Ha ha, the developers of FinSpy say their product is for 'law enforcement and intelligence agencies'.  I suppose it's bad business practice to say  totalitarian, authoritarian, and human rights-abusing countries.

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Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.
The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.
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That'll be why the Chinese government hates them.
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I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.

You can learn a lot from someone by the phone they use. I also would not employ a person who used Android, and it is a genuine question I ask when interviewing. Like you say, taste, intelligence, rationality and gullibility can all be ascertained from ones choice of phone. It's obviously not my sole method of hiring, but it allows me to weed out the real shitty ones quick.

 

There's no Al-Qaeda where I work that's for sure :)


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I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.

 
 
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You can learn a lot from someone by the phone they use. I also would not employ a person who used Android, and it is a genuine question I ask when interviewing. Like you say, taste, intelligence, rationality and gullibility can all be ascertained from ones choice of phone. It's obviously not my sole method of hiring, but it allows me to weed out the real shitty ones quick.

 

There's no Al-Qaeda where I work that's for sure :)

 

It scares me that you are both in positions within a company where you can make hiring decisions and base those decisions on such petty reasons as one's choice of mobile phone. Just astoundingly discriminatory and shallow.

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AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.

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I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.

 

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Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.
The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.

 

It's fine to support Apple, Windows and even Android devices-as long as the Android users are only allowed to use their devices kneeling on the ground whilst wearing sackcloth.

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AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.

 

Not the first time AppleInsider showed they don't know how to read and the Apple fanbois blindly follow.

 

In an article last Friday, AI calls 909 'Nearly 1000'. Even kids in 5th grade are smarter than that.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/08/08/authors-to-rebuke-amazon-over-hachette-dispute-with-full-page-nyt-ad

 

909 is nearly 1,000. So is 501 if you're comparing a range from 0 to 1,000.

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Mobile Device Management (MDM) is used to install policy and centrally manage devices like PCs and mobile devices, but has little in common with surveillance software designed to let agencies spy on individuals without those users being aware that they are being spied upon.

 

MDM typically does not "spy" on users in the way these surveillance tools are designed to, and most companies have policies that make it clear when a managed device is being watched or monitored. 

 

Also, while iOS works with a variety of MDM vendors, including IBM, Good, etc. Android is (ironically) difficult to manage because its so fragmented.

 

So Android is easy for spooks to spy upon, but difficult for corporations to manage. And iOS is the opposite.

Do not be naive, I can not speak specifically about Andriod or IOS, prior to this a company could spy on you if they wanted MDM software. I even seen where they pull from someone cell phone recent text msg they had sent to see if what someone saying about the person was true. It was an HR issue and they confirmed they there were aware of the content in the text on another persons cell phones.

 

Today I use Mobile Iron which is MDM and it has some interesting features on Android.

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But, it certainly means that Android users in general are cheap as hell.

 

Too much extrapolation. Most "cheap as hell" phone users are on Android -- I'll give you that. At the $650 phone side of the spectrum, I think spending habits are similar for all three major platforms.

 

Citation needed on the creativity assumption too. Certainly all the creative types who can't handle more than one button end up on iOS.

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Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.
The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.

 

It's fine to support Apple, Windows and even Android devices-as long as the Android users are only allowed to use their devices kneeling on the ground whilst wearing sackcloth.

I'll tell that to my director, he has a HTC M8 as his phone, though a 27 imac on his desk, whilst we have lenovos . Flash bastard. Though he hasn't of yet turned up in sackclothes and I'm sure he can afford it on his $750K basic.
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Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.
The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.

 

It's fine to support Apple, Windows and even Android devices-as long as the Android users are only allowed to use their devices kneeling on the ground whilst wearing sackcloth.

I'll tell that to my director, he has a HTC M8 as his phone, though a 27 imac on his desk, whilst we have lenovos . Flash bastard. Though he hasn't of yet turned up in sackclothes and I'm sure he can afford it on his $750K basic.

Ah, well if he has achieved flash bastard status, then, in addition to the requirements above, he must also wear a garland of thorns around his waist when using his Android thing.

He will reap the rewards of his penance in due course.
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Citation needed on the creativity assumption too. Certainly all the creative types who can't handle more than one button end up on iOS.

As your statement begins with "certainly" it sounds like a citation is in order for that as well. 1wink.gif

I am not even sure what creativity and having less buttons on the device has to do with one another. I can say from experience that more buttons on a phone has consequences that can hinder a phone useless. It takes a lot of creativity to make a UI experience function in a way that makes all those hardware buttons unnecessary.

Think about how much one needs and uses a "back" function. That would easily be one of the first buttons to fail as it's pressed so often. Sure there may be touch screen buttons that don't wear out as much (maybe, I don't know) but they are still redundant. I have seen android use both UI navigation buttons and hardware buttons. If the function is implemented in the UI in a way that's intuitive and doesn't clutter anything wouldn't that be better than trying to grope for a button that may one day fail due to such excessive use? Or maybe not at all as people might like in app navigation? IMO it makes no sense to have so much extra going on.

Not to mention design and manufacturing, repairs for failed buttons... These add cost. Less spent on unnecessary stuff is more spent on making something else more valuable on the device. Again just my opinion.
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AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.

 

Maybe you should take a close look at it again. It's not about the color, it's not supposed to be a reference....the "untethered jailbreak required" thing stands for the every iOS Version, hence it's in the first column otherwise they would have put it in the same cell as 7.1.

Hint: Open the complete document, page 11, at the top.

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It scares me that you are both in positions within a company where you can make hiring decisions and base those decisions on such petty reasons as one's choice of mobile phone. Just astoundingly discriminatory and shallow.

 

No worries, they both are managers at fast food restaurants.

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It scares me that you are both in positions within a company where you can make hiring decisions and base those decisions on such petty reasons as one's choice of mobile phone. Just astoundingly discriminatory and shallow.

 

Yeah, if a culture fit is a big issue for the position, then maybe I can see it. But if you're looking for skills, intelligence, problem solving skills, teamwork, and other real qualifications, smart phone choice as a criteria says more about the idiocy of the hiring manager than anything else.

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