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I was wondering how long it would take Jackson to wade in.

 

Won't be long before the execrable Al Sharpton weighs in.

He won't.  He and Jackson are arch enemies and covet these opportunities.  Except for the major, major ones it's one or the other.

 

 This counts as a check in Jackson's column.  I say only half jokingly that Sharpton was quicker to own the most recent racial ambulance chasings so Jackson saw this as something he needed to weigh in on in order to not score zero for the quarter.

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The nba is not racially balanced, no white players. Whites should boycott the games.
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They don’t really care about such things, or haven’t you been paying attention?

 

Headline: America 70% white.

 

Time for YOU to be reasonable.

 

Funny how only a VERY VERY VERY VERY small minority are outraged by Tim Cooks comments.

 

When 99.999999999999% of the population does not agree with your opinion it may be time to reconsider your viewpoint.

 

Just saying.  I haven't seen anyone in the media be critical about Cook's comments.

Except a few clowns here.

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The nba is not racially balanced, no white players. Whites should boycott the games.

 

That's certainly their choice.

 

Just remember that 90% of the owners are WHITE.

 

So should Asians boycott Hollywood because 90% of the actors are not Asian?

Or should blacks boycott the Olympic swimming team because 90% of the team is not black?

 

That's a weak argument.

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Funny how only a VERY VERY VERY VERY small minority are outraged by Tim Cooks comments.

I guess that means you approve of the oppression of minority opinions?

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He won't.  He and Jackson are arch enemies and covet these opportunities.  Except for the major, major ones it's one or the other.

 This counts as a check in Jackson's column.  I say only half jokingly that Sharpton was quicker to own the most recent racial ambulance chasings so Jackson saw this as something he needed to weigh in on in order to not score zero for the quarter.

I don't know if they are arch enemies but neither will give up the camera time. HD isn't big enough for both.
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I guess that means you approve of the oppression of minority opinions?

 

No.  But when 99.9999999999999% of people of various ages, sex, race, religions, nationalities, all agree on something you really need to reconsider.  And who's oppressing anyone?  YOu have the right to think Cook's comments were stupid.  Go ahead.

 

99.9999999% of the population thinks eating cow DUNG is a bad idea.

 

When you are such a distant minority on a TOPIC (not a demographic) you better make sure you have all the facts.

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No.  But when 99.9999999999999% of people of various ages, sex, race, religions, nationalities, all agree on something you really need to reconsider.  And who's oppressing anyone?  YOu have the right to think Cook's comments were stupid.  Go ahead.

99.9999999% of the population thinks eating cow DUNG is a bad idea.

When you are such a distant minority on a TOPIC (not a demographic) you better make sure you have all the facts.

You're really a poor representative of whatever cause you think you're representing.

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You're really a poor representative of whatever cause you think you're representing.

 

so are you for or against Cook's statement about diversity?

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so are you for or against Cook's statement about diversity?

I am not in favor of what Cook said. I'm more interested in what they intend to do. If quotas are involved, they will be institutionalizing racist policies and giving in to race-baiters. What is Jackson's criteria or description of a "diverse" company anyway? I have a deep suspicion it is something along the lines of a hiring consultancy contract issued to his organization.

To dredge up a shopworn meme, Steve Jobs would've told Jesse Jackson to go **** himself.
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I am not in favor of what Cook said. I'm more interested in what they intend to do. If quotas are involved, they will be institutionalizing racist policies and giving in to race-baiters. What is Jackson's criteria or description of a "diverse" company anyway? I have a deep suspicion it is something along the lines of a hiring consultancy contract issued to his organization.

To dredge up a shopworn meme, Steve Jobs would've told Jesse Jackson to go **** himself.

I don't think quotas will be involved. However if two qualified candidates (white, minority) come in and score "near equally" in the interview, who do you choose.
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I am not in favor of what Cook said.

 

Wow. One of the few.

 

I'd guess that 99% of people liked what Cook said or were indifferent.

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I don't think quotas will be involved. However if two qualified candidates (white, minority) come in and score "near equally" in the interview, who do you choose.

 

Coin toss?

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Wow. One of the few.

 

I'd guess that 99% of people liked what Cook said or were indifferent.

 

Yes, you're guessing.

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Yes, you're guessing.

 

No I'm not.  Look at the media coverage.  99% are not calling Cook out.

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No I'm not.  Look at the media coverage.  99% are not calling Cook out.

 

There is a long tradition of cowering before accusations of racism in this country, well-founded or not. In this case, not.

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There is a long tradition of cowering before accusations of racism in this country, well-founded or not. In this case, not.

 

Tim Cook:  I want to treat all employees the same regardless of race, sex, age, religion, nation, weight, height, wealth, status, ect. ect.

 

SpamSandwich: Thats a HORRIBLE idea

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The nba is not racially balanced, no white players. Whites should boycott the games.

 

The NBA is discriminatory against short and old people, as well.

 

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99.999999999999%

Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

99.9999999999999%

 

I guess if you lie about something enough, that makes it true.

 

Must be nice not to feel obligated–to yourself or others–to have any foundation for anything you say, demanding instead that you are always correct, regardless of how you feel on any topic.

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Tim Cook:  I want to treat all employees the same regardless of race, sex, age, religion, nation, weight, height, wealth, status, ect. ect.

 

SpamSandwich: Thats a HORRIBLE idea

 

You must hire more people immediately down at the strawman factory. Production is at an all time high.

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The NBA is discriminatory against short and old people, as well.

 

And they hate babies! Where are the infant players?

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How did Apple creat great products like the Mac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTunes, OSX, iOS etc. with a mostly white male workforce?

 

Black magic.

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Playing the race card again, I see.  Do you have any other cards to play, or is that it?

 

Race card?

 

I'm not even black.

I'm a white male.

 

But i have a conscience and I know racism is evil.

 

It's a shame that the word racism has been corrupted. 

 

When we talk of racism today, we really mean prejudice by race. Strictly speaking, we are all racists, not because we are prejudiced by racial differences, but because we all make distinctions by race, amongst many other things; it's a small but significant difference.

 

But prejudice? I haven't given it any thought, but I imagine that it is more often than not used with evil intent (e.g. Hitler). It can be petty, insinuous, destructive.

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how about releasing diversity data for online bloggers, LOL!

 

100% human, purportedly.

 

There you are.

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I can't believe the kind of uproar this diversity report is causing on this website.  Are you kidding me?
 

1.  No company is putting diversity above talent if they want to be competitive.  No where did Cook say that they are considering less talented minorities for jobs in the name of diversity.  

2.  I am a hiring manager of a tech company and we are similarly conscious about our workforce's diversity.  There are goals for diversity that the company set for ourselves.  But every hiring manager understands that you only make a hiring that improves on diversity when it doesn't compromise the talent.  Yes my company has a big majority of white males but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for diversity.  

 

It's true that besides encouraging diversity through the hiring process, companies should also work at the root of the problem and promote more diversity in engineering programs.  My company holds events to encourage greater participation of minorities and women in engineering.  

 

What Apple is doing will only improves on its branding.  When you are the #1 company in the world, these are the kind of things you need to do to improve your brand.  So Apple is not only synonymous with quality hardware/software but is also admired as a green company with great diversity and etc.  It gives people more reasons to admire the company and buy the products.  When it was near the brink of bankruptcy in the 90s, it doesn't need to worry about such things because it has other more immediate problems.  Tim is a great CEO because he is improving Apple in various facets simultaneously.  Steve Jobs was the perfect CEO to get Apple to become the #1 company in the world but I think Tim Cook is the perfect CEO to keep it there.  

At last sanity.

 

Sanity if you're smoking a splif, possibly. :smokey:

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What else would you consider “I’m not satisfied with the numbers” to mean?

 

Why.

 

Ask Tim Cook. Don't try to read his mind.  What did you want him to say?  "I'm satisfied with the results!  We are perfect with diversity and we have nothing to improve on!"  If he said that Apple would have faced big time criticism.

 

Cook never said he was going to hire less White Males.

 

Who knows?  Maybe he has an inside tract on how Apple hires.  Could be that many hires are simply part of the 'old boys network' and are being hired not because of skill/ability but by who they know.

 

Hopeless.

 

You're saying that Tim Cook should be in sop to the media, regardless of what is the right thing to do. Presumably, you also think that they should bring out a $200 iPhone to win market share.

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What Apple is doing will only improves on its branding.  When you are the #1 company in the world, these are the kind of things you need to do to improve your brand.  So Apple is not only synonymous with quality hardware/software but is also admired as a green company with great diversity and etc.  It gives people more reasons to admire the company and buy the products.  When it was near the brink of bankruptcy in the 90s, it doesn't need to worry about such things because it has other more immediate problems.  Tim is a great CEO because he is improving Apple in various facets simultaneously.  Steve Jobs was the perfect CEO to get Apple to become the #1 company in the world but I think Tim Cook is the perfect CEO to keep it there.  

+1 Very well stated!

Seconded!

I usually avoid posting to threads like this, but it is interesting to note that out of Apple's first 10 employees they had:

1 female
2 males with Hispanic surnames
1 male communist (English surname)
1 male Finnish descent
1 male Polish descent
1 male Syrian descent
3 males with English surnames

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/06/the-first-10-apple-employees-where-are-they-now/240020/#slide1

That's pretty diverse for 1978 in Silicon Valley ...


FWIW, I met most of these people in the early days -- but only the communist came into our home ... but that's another story 1biggrin.gif

 

Indeed. What's more, two had chipped toenails, three liked beetroot, one missed his mom and four liked apricots as well as apples.

 

Beat that for diversity!

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I am not in favor of what Cook said. I'm more interested in what they intend to do. If quotas are involved, they will be institutionalizing racist policies and giving in to race-baiters. What is Jackson's criteria or description of a "diverse" company anyway? I have a deep suspicion it is something along the lines of a hiring consultancy contract issued to his organization.

To dredge up a shopworn meme, Steve Jobs would've told Jesse Jackson to go **** himself.

I don't think quotas will be involved. However if two qualified candidates (white, minority) come in and score "near equally" in the interview, who do you choose.

 

You're describing quotas.

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You're describing quotas.

Nope. If the two are similarly qualified and both interview well, who do you choose?
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Nope. If the two are similarly qualified and both interview well, who do you choose?

 

You spin around and throw a dart at the wall.

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You spin around and throw a dart at the wall.


Whichever candidate you hit gets the job (and the requisite eye surgery, now covered by their health plan).

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Whichever candidate you hit gets the job (and the requisite eye surgery, now covered by their health plan).

 

Oh, my. I just had the biggest laugh because of that comment. The neighbors must have fallen off their chairs.

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You're describing quotas.

Nope. If the two are similarly qualified and both interview well, who do you choose?

The better qualified one.
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He won't.  He and Jackson are arch enemies and covet these opportunities.  Except for the major, major ones it's one or the other.

 This counts as a check in Jackson's column.  I say only half jokingly that Sharpton was quicker to own the most recent racial ambulance chasings so Jackson saw this as something he needed to weigh in on in order to not score zero for the quarter.

I don't know if they are arch enemies but neither will give up the camera time. HD isn't big enough for both.

 

They truly detest each other.  

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They truly detest each other.  

 

And everyone else detests both of them.

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