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but feel free to launch your own company selling horizontally pictured monitors....see how it goes!


I don’t see any architects complaining about drafting tables…

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Nope. This is one of those patents they get to prevent their competitors from being able to do it.

I thought you didn't like the idea of companies patenting things with no intentions of ever using them.
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TS has a point. When we read a book, we peer down more than we do with a computer screen, and we've been reading for hundreds of years longer than using computers.

And people who hunch over books aren't doing their back and neck any good.  Plus, there aren't many people employed to read books for 8 hours a day, and those are quite likely to invest in a book holder to bring it up to eye level.  Or, y'know, hold it there, or in whatever position they find comfortable.

 

 

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post #44 of 64
Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post
I thought you didn't like the idea of companies patenting things with no intentions of ever using them.


Do you see another Magic Mouse in between now and desktop multitouch? If anything, Apple will license it to its competitors who will be scrambling to create a mouse-based “future” device, ignoring touchscreens until they’re bankrupt or floundering. Just like every other time.

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Do you see another Magic Mouse in between now and desktop multitouch? If anything, Apple will license it to its competitors who will be scrambling to create a mouse-based “future” device, ignoring touchscreens until they’re bankrupt or floundering. Just like every other time.

I'm not sold on desktop multitouch. I don't think that will ever be the norm.
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Do you see another Magic Mouse in between now and desktop multitouch? If anything, Apple will license it to its competitors who will be scrambling to create a mouse-based “future” device, ignoring touchscreens until they’re bankrupt or floundering. Just like every other time.

I'm not sold on desktop multitouch. I don't think that will ever be the norm.

 

Me neither, if only because most people will be on iPads. I think they will mutate to multitouch eventually, but seeing as the desktop is already the truck, it's probably not going to set the world on fire.

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Seeing your post on my iPad, I'm reminded of one Android feature I really love: animated GIFs don't animate until you specifically tap on them to allow it.
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I don’t see any architects complaining about drafting tables…

For the most part drafting stations have been replaced by CAD stations, so in a way you are right, there aren't many complaints.

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post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by Trubador View Post

As someone who has always used a 2-button mouse, I was always curious as to how the current mouse as well as the trackpad are used to access what is the "right-click" option menu.

 

Apple's mouse detects both left and right clicks. Instead of having discreet, visible buttons on the surface, the entire mouse clicks down and detects where the finger press occurred.

 

Apple's trackpad works similarly, but you can also avoid clicking altogether and simply use touch gestures. Right button click is emulated via a 2-finger tap vs. 1-finger for left click. Of course, their trackpad also has a slew of gestures for things like page navigation, activating Mission Control, navigating between desktops, displaying dictionary entry for a selected word, etc. Their trackpad has to be used to be appreciated. There's nothing else on the market that works in such a fluid and responsive manner.

 

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Nope. This is one of those patents they get to prevent their competitors from being able to do it.

Multitouch desktops are inevitable. The mouse is living on borrowed time.

 

Except the interface will always be by your keyboard, not on the screen. I am amazed at how many people still have the silly belief that it makes sense to use a desktop/laptop display as a primary input device.

 

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You're going to corner the market on finger sharpeners, eh?  :lol: 

 

While a mouse is still generally accepted as the preferred device for heavy graphics work, you might be surprised how precise you can be with a touchpad once you're used to it. For example, to move a cursor in tiny increments, you don't slide your fingertip across the trackpad - you can just hold your fingertip on the same spot and then tilt it in different directions for more granular control with less fatigue.

 

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Same here! :)

 

Except for those times when I have to work on a PC, I haven't used a mouse in years, even when dabbling in graphics apps like Photoshop.


Edited by freediverx - 8/19/14 at 8:50am
post #50 of 64
Originally Posted by freediverx View Post
Except the interface will always be by your keyboard, not on the screen.


There won’t be a keyboard.

 
I am amazed at how many people still have the silly belief that it makes sense to use a desktop/laptop display as a primary input device. 

 

Why? The iPad exists. It proves your silly belief wrong.

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There won’t be a keyboard.

 

Why? The iPad exists. It proves your silly belief wrong.


1) An iPad is hardly ideal for extensive typing without the use of an external keyboard. I actually type fairly quickly on it, but the moment I have to go back and edit anything I've typed I feel like throwing it against a wall. (difficulty repositioning the cursor in the desired spot; repeated delays from tapping-holding-zooming for cursor placement; lack of keyboard shortcuts for quickly performing tasks like skipping to start/end of a word or line, quickly selecting whole words, lines or paragraphs, etc.)

 

2) In a desktop-like setup, using the screen for input would get old very fast, creating an enormous amount of fatigue from holding your arms up. Apple has tested the hell out of this, no doubt, and they've repeatedly stated it's an idea that doesn't work with any current technology.

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Originally Posted by freediverx View Post

2) In a desktop-like setup, using the screen for input would get old very fast, creating an enormous amount of fatigue from holding your arms up. Apple has tested the hell out of this, no doubt, and they've repeatedly stated it's an idea that doesn't work with any current technology.


Again, why do people assume the screen is going to be vertical? That’s completely psychotic.

 

What iPad do you have, by the way? I figured the few issues I had were just because of iOS 5, an A4, and 256 megs of RAM.

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post #53 of 64
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Again, why do people assume the screen is going to be vertical? That’s completely psychotic.

 

 

Right now I'm typing this on a 27" display. I know many people who work with multiple displays. How would these work in a non-vertical format?

 

An iPad is an ingenious compromise that provides amazing functionality in an extremely portable device. But it's still a compromise, and there are some things that simply can't be done very efficiently on one compared to a laptop/desktop. Likewise, a desktop or laptop is a compromise, in terms of sheer size and weight. I'm not a fan of "Swiss Army knife" products. I like to use the right tool for the job.

 

​Edit: I do have one performance complaint: RAM. Apple needs to stop being so stingy with RAM on these devices. Nothing more annoying than having a web page reload every time you switch back to it while multitasking because you're using up all 1GB of RAM.

 

 

What iPad do you have, by the way? I figured the few issues I had were just because of iOS 5, an A4, and 256 megs of RAM.

 

iPad Air, 64GB. I never complained about the device's performance. I complained about how its UI fails for certain tasks - in particular when it comes to heavy text editing. As I noted before, there is a large selection of keyboard chords and shortcuts that make it very quick and efficient to do things that are very slow and cumbersome, currently, on a touch interface... even one as good as Apple's.


Edited by freediverx - 8/19/14 at 10:11am
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Again, why do people assume the screen is going to be vertical? That’s completely psychotic.

 

 

Right now I'm typing this on a 27" display.

 

You've got a 27" multitouch display?

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You've got a 27" multitouch display?


Yeah, I'm still shopping for a leather case that fits.

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You've got a 27" multitouch display?


Yeah, I'm still shopping for a leather case that fits.

 

Lol. Guess you can have some great FaceTime chats on the go.

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post #57 of 64
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Why on Earth can seemingly no one conceive of anything but a vertical monitor? Laziness or stupidity?

 

Your dream desktop computer? The American Chiropractic Association thanks you.

 

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Why on Earth can seemingly no one conceive of anything but a vertical monitor? Laziness or stupidity?

 

Your dream desktop computer? The American Chiropractic Association thanks you.

 

 

There are 89 degrees between 0 and 90, believe it or not.


Edited by Benjamin Frost - 8/19/14 at 9:59am
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post #59 of 64
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post
 

 

 

TS has a point. When we read a book, we peer down more than we do with a computer screen, and we've been reading for hundreds of years longer than using computers.

 

An iPad is the most natural screen position for a computer so far. 

 

For reading, yes.

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I don’t see any architects complaining about drafting tables…

 

I think this:

 

 

has been mostly replaced by this:

 

post #61 of 64
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Do you see another Magic Mouse in between now and desktop multitouch?

 

This looks awesome in movies but it would be exhausting for anyone with a typical 9-5 office job.

 

post #62 of 64
Originally Posted by freediverx View Post
Right now I'm typing this on a 27" display. I know many people who work with multiple displays. How would these work in a non-vertical format?

 

You’d have them all at a comfortable angle for contact, if that’s what you’re doing with each, or you’d have the untouched ones vertical for secondary visibility.

 
iPad Air, 64GB RAM

 

*drool* :p

 

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Your dream desktop computer? The American Chiropractic Association thanks you.


Horizontal’s as incorrect as vertical.

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post #63 of 64
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost View Post
 

There are 89 degrees between 0 and 90, believe it or not.

 

It's an interesting thought but I don't think it would be practical. If I'm understanding your vision, you're imagining an adjustable angle large screen desktop computer,with a soft keyboard appearing near the bottom as needed. For extended typing, the display would have to be nearly horizontal in order to allow the user to rest their palms to avoid fatigue. Also the keyboard (and a corresponding touch input area), would use up a significant portion of the display while in use which doesn't seem worthwhile unless the computer were mostly used without the keyboard UI (as on an iPad.)

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*drool* :p

 

 

Typo... I meant to say 64GB of storage, not 64GB of RAM, lol.

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