Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost
people can be amazingly selfless and helpful.
Again, I didn't say people are never selfless, it is just the exception. If it was commonplace, they would run out of awards for selfless services or not bother handing them out as they do now. There's a video here that shows how cruel humans can be. It's a disturbing video as it shows a 2 year old child left to die on a road in China after being run over:
That sort of thing wouldn't happen everywhere but the motivation in events like that wouldn't always be to help out and would rather be to avoid being seen as a complete degenerate by not helping out. In extreme cases like that, I would hope that most civilized people would help out but it's easy to see how people can be selfish in trivial scenarios when they can be in extreme cases like that.
If you want to believe that everyone is volunteering their work, giving gifts away at random and helping to end poverty and disease, so be it. It's not a world that I recognize.
Originally Posted by Relic
frankly I never understood the appeal, wouldn't a guy rather have 70 professionals
Both are appealing I'd say for different reasons - being first has some merit. In some cultures, it is very highly regarded. That was evident with what Uday Hussein was doing:
"A chef at Baghdad's exclusive Hunting Club recalls a wedding party that Uday crashed in the late 1990s. After Uday left the hall, the bride, a beautiful woman from a prominent family, went missing. "The bodyguards closed all the doors, didn't let anybody out," the chef remembers. "Women were yelling and crying, 'What happened to her?'" The groom knew. "He took a pistol and shot himself," says the chef, placing his forefinger under his chin."
Uday kidnapped virgins specifically and quite a few killed themselves out of shame, sometimes they'd be burned with acid directly after so that no one else would have the same experience. It's the idea of exclusivity I suppose, pure selfishness.