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There's a difference between saying that Apple is not making a product with the best mix of features *for you* and saying that Apple is not making a product with the best mix of features *for them* (which is closely related to making the best mix of features for the majority of customers). You're well positioned to assess what's best for you -- I'm sure you would benefit from more RAM. But Apple is substantially better positioned to assess what's best for them and/or the majority. That doesn't mean they'll always be right, but in cases where you and they disagree, my guess is they are going to be right about 90% of the time. 

There are plenty of examples where I wish Apple would choose features that are a better fit to my needs. For example, I'd rather that the Mac Pro had two Xeons and one GPU rather than two GPUs and one Xeon. But clearly Apple has determined that more of their pro customers would benefit from a second GPU than a second Xeon. They are much better positioned than I am to make that assessment, so I'm guessing they probably made the right call. It's not that I think they can't make mistakes -- it's just that I think it's much more likely that I will make a mistake in assessing what's best for them than that they will. 

I hate to be the one to say this, but, Apple isn't always right. Hard to believe, I know, but true nevertheless.

And notice the people here talking about the problems with Safari. And yes, Safari does use a lot of RAM. That's true on the Desktop as well.

And it's not just me. Gaming companies have complained about the lack of sufficient RAM. I'm willing to bet that most people would benefit from more, not just me, and those like me.

But as I said, it's possible that 1GB is just sufficient on the iPhone. But maybe the new models will need more. From what I can remember, video shares RAM on these devices, and the more sophisticated the video /graphics processing is, the more RAM they will need.

At any rate, more is definitely needed for the iPad. And as Apple has done that before, they could choose to do it again.
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I came here to read all the comments for the memory experts who know better than Apple and have travelled into the future and tested iOS8 on an iPhone6.

Jeez, you complain about analysts making up rumours of stuff that hasn't happened but you are happy to spout your own.
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that, at the moment, you can't know you're right. iOS8 might be a lot more efficient or the 1GB rumour might not be true.

We just don't know.

Oh please! As Apple is ALWAYS correct. About everything. All the time. No matter what.

Those of us who use these products on a regular basis see memory related problems. They are known to be memory related problems.

Apple's decisions can be murky. We don't always know why they are made.
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A bigger battery, a faster CPU, and more flash would benefit everybody too. But with every benefit comes a cost. Apple has to find the right mix of benefits and costs. There are no free lunches. 

edit -- just to clarify, I'm not arguing whether adding more RAM to the iPhone 6 is the right thing to do or not. It might be, it might not be. I'm arguing that Apple is better positioned to make that decision than anyone here is. 

I would also say that many companies are not able to make these types of decisions about tradeoffs as well as Apple, and instead just produce every possible permutation of features until they find one that people like -- that's the Samsung way, for example. Both approaches have advantages. I personally prefer Apple's approach, and I think they implement it well. But I can definitely understand that others might prefer the Samsung way. 

I agree that Apple is in the best position for this. But that doesn't mean that their decision is the best. They have a number of considerations. But the result of their ruminations may not coincide with what many (most?) of their users would prefer.

I mention the thinner phone, rather than a much bigger battery, as an example. Their consideration, over the last few years, has been that 8 hours of LTE talk time is good enough. But when they first came to that conclusion, competing devices were getting 3.5 hours of LTE talk time. Now, competing models can get 10 or even 12 hours. Apple lost their advantage, and talking points.

Same thing with the iPad. Like most people, I like thinner, lighter devices. But there comes a point when it's thin enough, and light enough. I would think that most users would prefer longer battery life than another mm taken off the thickness, and 10 grams off the weight.

I'm just using battery life as one example where Apple's interests, and the interest of their users, don't coincide.

RAM is obviously another.

But, I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
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I hate to be the one to say this, but, Apple isn't always right. Hard to believe, I know, but true nevertheless.
 

 

You don't have to say it -- I already did. I just think that when Apple and any given individual posting to AI forums disagree about what the best decision is for apple to make (where "best" is defined in terms of what's best for a majority of users, not a specific individual or subgroup), Apple is much more likely to be correct. 

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1GB NAND? NFC?
Remind me some iPhone 6 knockoff in the market.
Disprove my theory? Just buy one, take it apart and post the picture.

(Even the next iPhone use two NAND, 1GB is not enough for system. For the math, please check the size of your iPhone 5s ipsw. )
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The elimination of Relieving my battery anxiety is NECESSARY to would make the my phone experience great.
 

 

'Battery anxiety'... sounds more like an issue for a therapist.

post #87 of 144
Expectations of "enough RAM" expands to fill available RAM. I remember surfing the web with desktop PCs equipped with only 1GB of RAM. And my 2010-generation MacBook Air has only 2GB RAM total. What's changed? Did web browsers become memory hogs?

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Why is it that any time someone notes an area in which Apple could improve its products, or suggests that Apple's choice in a trade-off situation may not have been the right one, the response is that the person expressing that opinion must be the only person in the world to think that way?

 

Take for an example the general topic of Apple making computers thinner with the trade-off being that they are more expensive and difficult for users to upgrade. Anyone who says they think Apple is making the wrong choice is told Apple knows better and that theirs is a fringe opinion. Same with battery life vs. thickness and screen size vs. one-handed use. How do we know the dissenters are a minority? Maybe those people are the majority, and many of those who choose to buy anyway do so in spite of the trade-offs, not because of them.

 

The truth is we don't know, and dismissing dissenting views with the assumption that Apple always knows better is indefensible. I've posted examples in the past of how market research has been 100% dead wrong, even when the data leaned overwhelmingly to one side, because what people SAY they will do (or THINK they will do) is not always what they wind up doing in real life.

 

It seems to me that the savvy fan or investor would do well to hear such criticism, since it's coming from people who are making real-life decisions about whether or not to open their wallets, not some focus group in a meeting room with nothing at stake.

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I'm not sure if you're serious, or being sarcastic.

Either way, I'd like to point out the arguments we had with people when RAM was 256MB, and some people were serious when they said that Apple knew best here, and as they didn't move to more RAM, we obviously didn't need it. They were wrong then too.
 

Actually at the time they did know. Look at what you could do with that 256MB RAM at the time. Ever played Real Racing 1? That was a phenomenal achievement for such low RAM requirements.

 

But we need more now because people keep pushing the limits of a "consumption" device more and more. Hell, me personally I'm doing almost as much on my iPad as I'm doing on my MacBook Pro.

 

Even if there is only 1GB RAM look at what's being achieved. If you have talented programmers then the lack of system resources isn't an issue and iOS seems to have produced far more talented programmers than any other platform and I believe it really does come down to the "limited" resources on the platform.

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Expectations of "enough RAM" expands to fill available RAM. I remember surfing the web with desktop PCs equipped with only 1GB of RAM. And my 2010-generation MacBook Air has only 2GB RAM total. What's changed? Did web browsers become memory hogs?
I use to dream of having 1GB of RAM. Back in 1995 when I purchased my first PC it had a whopping 4MB with a super fast 28.8kps modem.
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I hope they've done something in software then, because I often seem to be bumping up against a lack of memory, especially with Safari tabs needing reloading.

 

I'm sure they won't even have thought about it; why would you possibly grant Apple such intelligence? No doubt, you'll have another year of throwing your hands up in horror at the reloading of your Safari tabs.

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post #92 of 144
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Well, at this point I'd like to see 2GB. Maybe we don't really need it for the phone, but I hope we'll see it for the iPad where battery life and heat aren't as important. I do work on my iPad that I wouldn't do on my iPhone, and it's more needed there. We are bumping the limitations for the iPad at this time.

 

I feel the same, but don't forget that they may have made iOS much more efficient RAM-wise, thereby negating the need for more, resulting in improved battery life. 

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post #93 of 144
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ugg.

 

This is horrible.

 

How expensive is 1 extra GB of RAM?  $5?

 

I can't stand that Saffari has to constantly refresh after I switch to anther app, especially on my iPad

 

Stop fretting. You sound like Constable Odo.

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For the things that I am able to do with that form factor, why would would I need more?

I'd rather have the extra battery power from a sufficiently powerful chip than too little from a chip that offers bragging rights for geeks.

Add: Anyone else suffer from DED withdrawal this weekend?

I'm really tired of reading him. I always feel as though I should be editing his work to make it more adult and less fanboyish.

 

If you've nothing nice today, don't say anything at all. The subject matter has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

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Could be that the iOS operating system has a smaller memory footprint than Android. 

Or perhaps they are using a sort of paging to fee up memory with little or no impact on performance - or maybe the chip is powerful enough to do compression. 

If only they could prefect carbon nanotube batteries - and get a 10x increase in the charge density of the battery - or maybe it is micro crystal batteries - whatever the next major breakthrough in batteries. 

iOS is more efficient that Android. Android uses more of a Desktop model of memory management and multitasking. In theory, it looks better, but it really does such processor cycles and battery life.

I almost never find the need to "close" an app in iOS, but it's a requirement in Android. Except for a few apps that monitor and measure in the background, apps don't use RAM or battery when they are offscreen, except to finish some task. With Android, most apps are actually open, until they are explicitly closed. While Apple has been improving multitasking, and giving developers more leaway, the model is still much more power efficient.

But, I'm disappointed to see that the new battery for the 4.7" iPhone 6 looks to be about 1800milliamphere vs about 1560 in the current devices. I was excited with the rumor it would be over 2000. I'd really like to see the iPhone end this thinness race with Samsung, and give us a bigger battery. When you think about it, the battery can't be much more than a couple of mm thick. If they kept the iPhone just one mm thicker, they could increase capacity by almost 40%.

Observing Apple since the late '80's, I've noticed that with Steve, or without Steve, Apple has a mental problem. They get a new significant feature, or performance advantage—and then they sit on it, often for years, while competitors catch up and pass them. This has been true for iPhone and iPad battery life. When they reached 8 hours with the iPhone, and came out with 10 hours for the iPad, no one could tough them. But where are we today, years later? That's right, still at 8 and 10. That big advantage has been totally lost.

 

Your desire for a thick iPhone is misplaced. That would spell bad news for Apple. Unlike you, I have faith in Tim Cook.

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I tend to focus on his substance, not style (which can be a tad breathless).

I try to do that too. But he's read by those who are not Apple users, and his style is pointed to as being typical of an Apple Fanboy. Unfortunately, while his style might thrill some here, it detracts from the usefulness of his writing. And he does exaggerate, and minimize facts, depending whether they're about Apple, or its competitors. I would prefer more objectively written articles.

 

Most of those criticisms could be applied to any writer and are impossible to legitimise or refute because of their vagueness.

 

Why don't you write articles yourself if you're so wound up about it? Submit them to AI.

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Doesn't matter how much or little RAM it has.  Doesn't matter how many cores it has.  Doesn't matter what clock speed it runs at.  Doesn't matter how many bits it uses.

It just matter how fast and well it runs the stuff you want it to.


I'm sure the 6 is going to be a beast performance-wise.  It will actually need to be to even 'break even' with the 5s since I assume it is going to be running at a much higher resolution.

You're right, of course. But it's those things that impact performance, so they are important, and wondering about them is a legitimate topic of discussion.

 

Wonder away; we all do it. Remember, though, that Tim Cook uses his iPad 80% of the time to run Apple; it's not as though he's in an ivory tower wondering what all the fuss is about. 

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Better battery life with no improvement in specs would be great for me. 1day of full scale phone usage should be the benchmark.

The elimination of battery anxiety is NECESSARY to make the phone experience great.

What use is an expensive device that you are afraid to use?

Why is the next phone going to be thinner instead of having vastly more battery life is beyond me. I HOPE that they made software and A8 optimization for making up the battery shortfall. Consumers are going to jump off the apple ship if this issue isn't improved. I just got back from India and that's exactly what heavy phone users are doing.

A thicker, larger battery version of the phone with 128gb minimum premium version would be fine. Apple needs an "executive" or "Pro" phone. As a doctor I can barely use any apps or bluetooth without worrying.

 

Just get a battery case or spare battery; problem solved, and no more need to write five paragraphs whining about it.

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I said the same thing more succinctly at the start of the thread and got a strange response from you.

I'm not sure that what you said is quite the same thing. You also didn't respond to that post, so I never did find out what you meant. He's seems to be saying that we shouldn't be discussing this because performance is all that matters. You said that Apple knows best. Is that the same thing?

 

That's not how I read his statement at all. He wrote a very simple sentence, anticipating the worry trolls that always infest a subject like this, stating the simple truth: Apple obviously know what they're doing and will create what they feel is the best phone possible overall. He didn't shut down the debate, but left it open.

 

Give him some credit; he's not a drive-by troll.

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I couldn't care less how much RAM an iPad has as long as apps perform well and developers don't have to spend a lot of extra time or make compromises for their app(s) to work properly. Right now Safari on the iPad is not a great experience. Are there really that many negative tradeoffs to upgrading the RAM to 2GB?
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I don't see how it's obvious that Apple was wrong to use 256 MB in the devices where that was used. The fact that Apple ultimately released devices with more RAM doesn't prove that Apple made the wrong choice in the devices that did have 256. The nature of the tradeoffs changes as technology improves. What doesn't make sense today in terms of any given spec -- RAM, clock speed, battery size -- might make sense in 2 years thanks to Moore's Law. 

I doubt that anyone would argue that, all else equal, more RAM isn't better. The issue is that all else isn't equal. It's a matter of striking the right balance of tradeoffs between cost, performance, battery life, and size. While any individual user might benefit from a different balance than what Apple picks, Apple really is in the best position to pick the balance that is the best for them and for most users. They can make mistakes, but they are less likely to be making a mistake in their assessments than any given person who posts comments here. 

Apple stayed with 256 a year too long. We were all having problems because of that. In addition, developers were complaining that they couldn't do what was needed because of it. They were right.

As I said, 1GB RAM might still be enough for the iPhone, though maybe not, what with some of the new features coming out this year, but for the iPad, 2GB is really required. I do photo editing, video editing, drawing and 3D CAD on my iPad Air, and developers tell me that a major reason why they don't support larger files is the lack of RAM. I think they know what they're talking about.

I have 32GB RAM in my Mac Pro, and I run out of RAM on some work. Another GB on my iPad would work wonders.

 

No, Apple didn't stay with 256 for too long.

 

Nonetheless, your other points are reasonable. Patience, grasshopper; I'm sure the iPad will gain more support in the fulness of time.

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Apple should bump it up to 2GB. Larger screens mean that the phone is going to be more and more for browsing web sites, news sites, pulling in more data from Facebook, etc..

Not to mention that, just once, I'd like to see Apple work on future-proofing a device.

 

Because Android lead the way on future-proofing.

 

Try engaging your brain...nah, just shut up and go away.

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 As a doctor I can barely use any apps or bluetooth without worrying.

What does being a doctor have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

Just get a battery case and stop worrying.

 

Shame it's taken you so long to write something sensible. As refreshing to see as a cup of tea.

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At what point is your usage demands a true Virtual Memory management system and  OS, e.g. a Macbook Air?  


I don't ask my Honda Accord to haul 3 ton of fertilizer, because it's not the right tool for the job.  But I do haul a couple hundred pounds at a time, knowing that for small jobs , and the occasional  repeat trips to Lowes, the extra round trip time is not that bad compared to the rental/purchase price of a pickup 
truck.  
So iPad is not the right tool for browsing the internet using Safari?

Btw, at most I maybe have 5-6 tabs open. But even if I have half of that open I still get constant tab refreshes. This certainly isn't something unique to me.

 

I'm sorry that you didn't feel compelled to take the friendly advice I gave you recently about whining incessantly about Safari tabs. I guess you can whine away for as long as you like, but please think of others.

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A bigger battery, a faster CPU, and more flash would benefit everybody too. But with every benefit comes a cost. Apple has to find the right mix of benefits and costs. There are no free lunches. 

edit -- just to clarify, I'm not arguing whether adding more RAM to the iPhone 6 is the right thing to do or not. It might be, it might not be. I'm arguing that Apple is better positioned to make that decision than anyone here is. 

I would also say that many companies are not able to make these types of decisions about tradeoffs as well as Apple, and instead just produce every possible permutation of features until they find one that people like -- that's the Samsung way, for example. Both approaches have advantages. I personally prefer Apple's approach, and I think they implement it well. But I can definitely understand that others might prefer the Samsung way. 

I agree that Apple is in the best position for this. But that doesn't mean that their decision is the best. They have a number of considerations. But the result of their ruminations may not coincide with what many (most?) of their users would prefer.

I mention the thinner phone, rather than a much bigger battery, as an example. Their consideration, over the last few years, has been that 8 hours of LTE talk time is good enough. But when they first came to that conclusion, competing devices were getting 3.5 hours of LTE talk time. Now, competing models can get 10 or even 12 hours. Apple lost their advantage, and talking points.

Same thing with the iPad. Like most people, I like thinner, lighter devices. But there comes a point when it's thin enough, and light enough. I would think that most users would prefer longer battery life than another mm taken off the thickness, and 10 grams off the weight.

I'm just using battery life as one example where Apple's interests, and the interest of their users, don't coincide.

RAM is obviously another.

But, I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

 

You have something of a point with the iPhone, but certainly not with the iPad.

 

The iPad's battery life is phenomenal. It could stand to be significantly lighter and thinner than it is now. In ten years time, you'll be looking back and laughing at how thick and heavy the iPad Air was in 2014.

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Why is it that any time someone notes an area in which Apple could improve its products, or suggests that Apple's choice in a trade-off situation may not have been the right one, the response is that the person expressing that opinion must be the only person in the world to think that way?

 

Take for an example the general topic of Apple making computers thinner with the trade-off being that they are more expensive and difficult for users to upgrade. Anyone who says they think Apple is making the wrong choice is told Apple knows better and that theirs is a fringe opinion. Same with battery life vs. thickness and screen size vs. one-handed use. How do we know the dissenters are a minority? Maybe those people are the majority, and many of those who choose to buy anyway do so in spite of the trade-offs, not because of them.

 

The truth is we don't know, and dismissing dissenting views with the assumption that Apple always knows better is indefensible. I've posted examples in the past of how market research has been 100% dead wrong, even when the data leaned overwhelmingly to one side, because what people SAY they will do (or THINK they will do) is not always what they wind up doing in real life.

 

It seems to me that the savvy fan or investor would do well to hear such criticism, since it's coming from people who are making real-life decisions about whether or not to open their wallets, not some focus group in a meeting room with nothing at stake.

 

You want a thicker tablet; we get it. There's always the Surface! 😃

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I use to dream of having 1GB of RAM. Back in 1995 when I purchased my first PC it had a whopping 4MB with a super fast 28.8kps modem.

 

4MB?! Luxury! We had to manually copy page files from the floppy running the OS to a "memory" floppy!

 

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You want a thicker tablet; we get it. There's always the Surface! 😃

 

I actually have no opinion on iPads whatsoever, beyond wishing Apple would adopt a consistent and persistent numbering scheme for ALL their products -- iPad 3, iPad 4, iPad 5, MacBook Pro 10, MacBook Pro 11, etc.

 

And I realize you're just making a joke, but please note that I wasn't offering any opinion on any Apple product at all in that post. I was merely suggesting that I don't think it's prudent to automatically assume that Apple is always right.

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Actually at the time they did know. Look at what you could do with that 256MB RAM at the time. Ever played Real Racing 1? That was a phenomenal achievement for such low RAM requirements.

But we need more now because people keep pushing the limits of a "consumption" device more and more. Hell, me personally I'm doing almost as much on my iPad as I'm doing on my MacBook Pro.

Even if there is only 1GB RAM look at what's being achieved. If you have talented programmers then the lack of system resources isn't an issue and iOS seems to have produced far more talented programmers than any other platform and I believe it really does come down to the "limited" resources on the platform.

I used to run Linux with an X server (XFree86) on a 25Mhz 486 laptop with 4MB of RAM and an 80MB HDD. And NeXT used to run on 25Mhz 68040s and 16MB of RAM.

All Moore's Law has done is to create exponentially increasing expectations about hardware over time.

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1 gb ram was fine on 5S, but 2 is very helpful on newer devices and will be a loss, as these rumors fall, it sounds like only difference between 5S and 6 is the hubungo 5.5 inch screen which I doubt it's true, but even rumors can make it suck.
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I'm sorry that you didn't feel compelled to take the friendly advice I gave you recently about whining incessantly about Safari tabs. I guess you can whine away for as long as you like, but please think of others.
I'll whine about it as much as I want because it sucks. Do a google search and you'll see I'm far from the only one complaining about it. One of the reasons people pay a premium for Apple products is because of the superior user experience. Safari on iPad is not a superior user experience. Hopefully that changes with iOS 8.
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Just get a battery case or spare battery; problem solved, and no more need to write five paragraphs whining about it.
Since when did longer battery life become an unreasonable request? Believe me if the new iPhones have better battery life Phil Schiller will be crowing about it on stage.
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Why is everybody so adamant that having NFC will be a bad idea? Or that iBeacons are sufficient? Maybe you guys should think outside the narrow American box you live in and realize that NFC is used all over the world, especially where I live in Japan. I think that if true this will be great and open the door for a new type of mobile payment, even in the US. And Apple will be at the forefront, because let's face it, no one can do something like this but them. Every other phone maker has tried and it's failed (at least in the US).
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iPad Air (Wifi, 32 GB)
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Originally Posted by Jjaro View Post
Why is everybody so adamant that having NFC will be a bad idea?

 

Because it’s unnecessary? Same reason a 50 megapixel camera is a bad idea.

 
Maybe you guys should think outside the narrow American box you live in and realize that NFC is used all over the world, especially where I live in Japan.

 

I don’t see how that matters. PS/2 was used all over the world before Apple destroyed it with USB.

 
I think that if true this will be great and open the door for a new type of mobile payment, even in the US. Every other phone maker has tried and it's failed (at least in the US).


Exactly, so why should Apple be beholden to the limitations of existing technologies in this area? 

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why should Apple be beholden to the limitations of existing technologies in this area? 

 

Because getting every merchant on the planet to install a new payment device is both daunting and unlikely when what they already have works well and is supported by every bank in the world.

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Originally Posted by Lorin Schultz View Post

Because getting every merchant on the planet to install a new payment device is both daunting and unlikely

 

Not if that’s where the money is. And guess which mobile OS has the money.

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I used to run Linux with an X server (XFree86) on a 25Mhz 486 laptop with 4MB of RAM and an 80MB HDD. And NeXT used to run on 25Mhz 68040s and 16MB of RAM.

All Moore's Law has done is to create exponentially increasing expectations about hardware over time.

 

I think you might be romanticizing old tech here a bit.  I'm just as guilty at that myself at times -- I have an Apple IIe setup on my desk here at home, for example.  It's fun to play with old tech every once in a while -- I have fond memories of spending lots of time on the Apple IIs at school and in the library, along with even more time on my Atari 1200XL at home.

 

But to claim things were actually *better* when we had only 4MB of RAM is pushing it.  Just think about what you are saying for a second.  That 486 laptop couldn't even hold a song in it's RAM, let alone have the CPU power to actually decode it.  The alternatives from that era would be carrying around a bunch of tapes and CDs.

 

Also, I doubt you would be happy with that laptop's screen today.  It was almost certainly something in the area of 1024x768 at best and probably about the size of an iPad screen as well.  And with a heavy bulky battery as well.

 

One more thing -- if you think it's a worthwhile use of programmer time to optimize for less RAM, then you haven't looked at the going rate for programmers these days.  Spending a few extra pennies (or even dollars) for more RAM is a way better use of resources than paying someone over $100/hr to try to shave off enough memory usage to get the thing to fit in less RAM.  Even when you multiply it out by the number of devices Apple ships, you have to counter that with the number of app developers who are developing for the platform.

 

Programmers aren't being lazy here.  It's just simple economics.

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Not if that’s where the money is. And guess which mobile OS has the money.

Money can also be carried in paper form and on small plastic cards.  If Apple want retailers to invest in an alternative payment infrastructure, especially one isolated from other mobile OS methods, then they'll need to prove one hell of a value add, not least including a willingness from consumers to use it.

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You don't have to say it -- I already did. I just think that when Apple and any given individual posting to AI forums disagree about what the best decision is for apple to make (where "best" is defined in terms of what's best for a majority of users, not a specific individual or subgroup), Apple is much more likely to be correct. 

Hmm. Possibly. It depends on what we're talking about. Technically, they may be correct. But from a developer and user viewpoint, they may not be.
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Actually at the time they did know. Look at what you could do with that 256MB RAM at the time. Ever played Real Racing 1? That was a phenomenal achievement for such low RAM requirements.

But we need more now because people keep pushing the limits of a "consumption" device more and more. Hell, me personally I'm doing almost as much on my iPad as I'm doing on my MacBook Pro.

Even if there is only 1GB RAM look at what's being achieved. If you have talented programmers then the lack of system resources isn't an issue and iOS seems to have produced far more talented programmers than any other platform and I believe it really does come down to the "limited" resources on the platform.

Yes, I had RR when it first came out. There were memory related glitches. It wasn't the only app with that problem.
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