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post #41 of 67
Have been getting a good number of these. They seem to be arriving via the email address attached to my apple id. I can't figure out how to turn off receiving imessages via this account (which is a hotmail account).
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What is an "over the top messaging service"?

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post #43 of 67
Okay wait a second. They rely on user reports. And are claiming this huge issue because of said reports. With no clue about everyone else.

Sure it's reliable. And Apple is buying all the US cable companies and planning to give everyone free internet service. Well up to 5gb. A year. Can't be too generous

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post #44 of 67
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What is an "over the top messaging service"? Does anyone at this web site know how to write?

Are you kidding?

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post #45 of 67
When a "Security" firm creates a report on questionable spam or hackers, they are usually trying to "scare up" some sales for a product they offer. And when news "reporters" run questionable articles, they are usually trying to increase the number of clicks to their sites.
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God, I hate such head-in-sand responses as yours. All of the "I never got one ever" responses are typical, but the infantile stuff like yours is absolutely ridiculous. Rather than hope Apple will work to stem a problem, you seek to have the problem ignored and spur those who are bothered by it to have to shout even louder.


A problem is a few hundred or more people having it happen, not a handful. This is a non-issue at this point.

 

After debunking the numbers indicated by the report, the article suggests a likely spam rate of 5%. That means for every twenty iMessages going through the system, one is spam. That is many times more than "a few hundred." Approximately Shitloads more. Is THAT enough to qualify as a problem? Considering that the shortest conversation possible is two messages (one sent and one reply or vice-versa) that number increases to one in every ten times you get an iMessage it would be spam.

 

Now, if you take into consideration the fact that many people are not receiving that many (or any) the law of averages tells us that some people are getting a lot more. NOW is it enough to qualify as a problem?

 

It's great news that you are in the non-issue group. Be happy about that. Also be happy that you are not then one of the group who are getting both their share and yours.

 

For the record, I'm not saying there IS a serious issue (yet), I honestly don't know, but Apple's own comments seem to suggest that you're wrong and it's not just FUD.

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post #47 of 67
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After debunking the numbers indicated by the report, the article suggests a likely spam rate of 5%. That means for every twenty iMessages going through the system, one is spam. That is many times more than "a few hundred." Approximately Shitloads more. Is THAT enough to qualify as a problem? Considering that the shortest conversation possible is two messages (one sent and one reply or vice-versa) that number increases to one in every ten times you get an iMessage it would be spam.

Now, if you take into consideration the fact that many people are not receiving that many (or any) the law of averages tells us that some people are getting a lot more. NOW is it enough to qualify as a problem?

It's great news that you are in the non-issue group. Be happy about that. Also be happy that you are not then one of the group who are getting both their share and yours.

For the record, I'm not saying there IS a serious issue (yet), I honestly don't know, but Apple's own comments seem to suggest that you're wrong and it's not just FUD.


So that means by your logic, out of about 40 posters here, 2 should be reporting having a much greater than 5 percent spam problem. We don't see that, so it seems more likely to be FUD at this point. I've had two of these since May, by the way.
post #48 of 67

A year ago I didn't get any and now I get about 1 a month. So for me, its on the rise.

post #49 of 67
0 iMessage spam 👍
I expect spam in e-mail, surfing the web, using "free" apps, analog mail box
but would be bummed to see it in iMessage
post #50 of 67
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So that means by your logic, out of about 40 posters here, 2 should be reporting having a much greater than 5 percent spam problem. We don't see that, so it seems more likely to be FUD at this point. I've had two of these since May, by the way.

 

Could be. I was basing my assessment on the author's ostensible best estimation of "actual" numbers. Since he seemed to be saying that the problem is not as severe as the cited report claimed, and came up with his own figures, I thought it safe to go a-ponderin' based on the numbers he provided.

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post #51 of 67
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I have gotten this spam text from an email. every single one is a text message (green) not an iMessage, blue. To me, that indicates a Verizon issue (my carrier), not Apple.

All my incoming iMessages and SMS are gray. The green and blue messages are outbound.

 

Do you colour them gray? All green SMS and blue iMessage colours apply to inbound and outbound.

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post #52 of 67
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More bullshit FUD from the haters of Apple. I have not received one bit of spam from iMessage.

God, I hate such head-in-sand responses as yours. All of the "I never got one ever" responses are typical, but the infantile stuff like yours is absolutely ridiculous. Rather than hope Apple will work to stem a problem, you seek to have the problem ignored and spur those who are bothered by it to have to shout even louder.

 

Apart from that the problem doesn't exist.

 

If Lord Amhran's head is in the sand, yours is set in concrete.

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post #53 of 67
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post
 

God, I hate such head-in-sand responses as yours. All of the "I never got one ever" responses are typical, but the infantile stuff like yours is absolutely ridiculous. Rather than hope Apple will work to stem a problem, you seek to have the problem ignored and spur those who are bothered by it to have to shout even louder.


A problem is a few hundred or more people having it happen, not a handful. This is a non-issue at this point.

 

After debunking the numbers indicated by the report, the article suggests a likely spam rate of 5%. That means for every twenty iMessages going through the system, one is spam. That is many times more than "a few hundred." Approximately Shitloads more. Is THAT enough to qualify as a problem? Considering that the shortest conversation possible is two messages (one sent and one reply or vice-versa) that number increases to one in every ten times you get an iMessage it would be spam.

 

Now, if you take into consideration the fact that many people are not receiving that many (or any) the law of averages tells us that some people are getting a lot more. NOW is it enough to qualify as a problem?

 

It's great news that you are in the non-issue group. Be happy about that. Also be happy that you are not then one of the group who are getting both their share and yours.

 

For the record, I'm not saying there IS a serious issue (yet), I honestly don't know, but Apple's own comments seem to suggest that you're wrong and it's not just FUD.

 

Your maths is flawed. It's a non-issue.

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post #54 of 67
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Do you colour them gray? All green SMS and blue iMessage colours apply to inbound and outbound.
Nope. Outbound only.

I'm not sure there is any way to tell whether a received message was sent as a SMS or iMessage.

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post #55 of 67
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Do you colour them gray? All green SMS and blue iMessage colours apply to inbound and outbound.
Nope. Outbound only.

I'm not sure there is any way to tell whether a received message was sent as a SMS or iMessage.

You're quite right; I'd never noticed.
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post #56 of 67
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A problem is a few hundred or more people having it happen, not a handful. This is a non-issue at this point.

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The important thing is that the minority cases are disproportionately vocal.

A few hundred, a few thousand, hundreds of thousands. So far, most other iMessage users I know have received at least one spam message. Most, such as myself, have received more than one.

I doubt it's as rare as you guys think it is.
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A problem is a few hundred or more people having it happen, not a handful. This is a non-issue at this point.

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The important thing is that the minority cases are disproportionately vocal.

A few hundred, a few thousand, hundreds of thousands. So far, most other iMessage users I know have received at least one spam message. Most, such as myself, have received more than one.

I doubt it's as rare as you guys think it is.

It strikes me that if you don't reply to an inbound text message in iMessage, there is no way to tell if it is an SMS or an iMessage.
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post #58 of 67
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When you're talking about 10s to 100s of million of iMessage users and billions of messages a few hundred individuals isn't even a handful. That isn't to say that Apple shouldn't work to prevent it but it's not a "problem" at that fraction of a fraction of a percent. That said, I bet the number of people that have received iMessage spam are at te very least in the tens of thousands.

What makes you think that just a few hundred people are getting this? It seems to me that a very large number of people are getting them. I've gotten them. My wife and daughter have gotten them, and most of my friends have gotten them.

When this sort of thing begins, it begins slowly, and builds up over time, as the first to do it become bolder, and more entities begin doing it.

When I first began to get spam on my fax, it was about one a month. Over time, that built up to several a day. Now that I don't need the fax that much, I keep it turned off.

To think that this isn't an invidious problem is wrong. Unless there is a way that Apple can do something about it from their end, it will get worse. Using white lists work well, but are a pain, as you have to put every dang person and organization you message with on that list. Blacklists don't work all that well.
post #59 of 67
@melgross, did you mean to address to me?

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post #60 of 67
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It strikes me that if you don't reply to an inbound text message in iMessage, there is no way to tell if it is an SMS or an iMessage.

SMS is green, and iMessage is blue. You don't need to reply to see that.

I've gotten both.
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@melgross, did you mean to address to me?

Yes, of course.
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It strikes me that if you don't reply to an inbound text message in iMessage, there is no way to tell if it is an SMS or an iMessage.

SMS is green, and iMessage is blue. You don't need to reply to see that.

I've gotten both.

'S all gray on my iPhone.
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post #63 of 67
I seem to have two types. Some are also grey. But they still say what it is. I'm looking at one on my phone now for Michael Kors handbags that's grey. But at the top of the iMessage, it says—iMessage. It's small type, but it's there. Gives the date below it.this one was for. Mon. Aug 4, 1:16 PM

So colored or not, you know what it is.
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Yes, of course.

Then I don't understand your comment. I replied to someone who used the term "a few hundred" and who stated it was a non-issue. I even said I believe the number of people that have received iMessage spam is at least in the tens-of-thousands.

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I seem to have two types. Some are also grey. But they still say what it is. I'm looking at one on my phone now for Michael Kors handbags that's grey. But at the top of the iMessage, it says—iMessage. It's small type, but it's there. Gives the date below it.this one was for. Mon. Aug 4, 1:16 PM

So colored or not, you know what it is.

Ah, I see. Never noticed that before. So if it says Message at the top, it's an SMS, if it says iMessage, then it's an iMessage.

Thanks for the tip.
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Ah, I see. Never noticed that before. So if it says Message at the top, it's an SMS, if it says iMessage, then it's an iMessage.

Thanks for the tip.

Did you know you can slide the message bubbles over to the left with your finger to see the timestamps appear on the right?

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Ah, I see. Never noticed that before. So if it says Message at the top, it's an SMS, if it says iMessage, then it's an iMessage.

Thanks for the tip.

Did you know you can slide the message bubbles over to the left with your finger to see the timestamps appear on the right?

I did; my ignorance has its bounds. But thanks for checking. 😃
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